Just call Miele directly in Princeton, NJ and ask to speak to sales. They will sell directly to you on any little giant model. They usually discount some to offset the cost of shipping. If they don’t then ask for a discount. Worst they can say is no.
New Miele W1 Little Giants
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W1 over the little giants
Moon1234,
With 14 people household , that’s a lot of laundry . Why was the w1purchased over the little giant ?
Moon1234,
With 14 people household , that’s a lot of laundry . Why was the w1purchased over the little giant ?
Little Giant is smaller than W1 capacity wise, cost and we plan to build a house this year. We run a commercial farm so can purchase the larger octopus models without issue. The w1 was always intended as an interim solution, but we really like them. The TwinDos option is now the only way we dispense detergent.
We are now considering two or three sets of w1/t1 vs the pro line. They work that well. We usually have lots of loads that just fill a w1 cycle. Towels, whites, colors and undies. If we could do two or three loads at the same time and have proper sorting, that really speeds things up.
We are now considering two or three sets of w1/t1 vs the pro line. They work that well. We usually have lots of loads that just fill a w1 cycle. Towels, whites, colors and undies. If we could do two or three loads at the same time and have proper sorting, that really speeds things up.
Press release
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New washing machines and dishwashers reduce costs
almost 100 m² | live in Hamburg from March 15 - 19 | Building A 3
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So...
After writing Alex (logixx) an E-Mail commenting on the direction Miele is heading in I thought to myself: "Hey, you know your buisness, check the Miele manual data bases!"
First I checked on the 7000 line for home appliances.
Found some new lowest-end G7000 models (still as efficent, same cycles and options, still same interior design, just no touch interface - scrolling through cycles with a button - and no AutoDos), found exactly 2 oven manuals (both MOL non pyrolytic, so nothing interesting) and some verry interesting looking hobs (full flex induction for up to 6 pots at a time).
But overall, not much.
So, the new little giants were next.
The start was somewhat rough as my usual search tricks returned so many results the site crashed.
But, after some fideling, I found the first machine (I searched for EL AV manuals, so only professional machines heated with electricity and a drain valve showed up).
And from that one on, I hit the checkpot:
I saw that that first machine had the shorthand ANL in its title, and that usually shouldn't be there.
So I searched for ANL and BINGO.
Ok, the manuals that are online are anything but finished, however they already show lots of verry interesting things.
First of, dryers are PTE and PDR now, washers PWE and PWM now.
Professioneller Trockner Elektrisch and Professional Dryer
or respectivley
Professionelle Waschmaschine Elektrisch and Professional Washing Machine.
Color codes are LW for "Lotus Weiß"/"Lotus White" respectivley and "ED" or "SST" for "Edelstahl" or "Stainless Steel".
Dryers are either HP/WP for HeatPump/Wärmepumpe or EL/AB for Electric/Abluft.
Washers are either DP/LP for DrainPump/LaugenPumpe or DV/AV for DrainValve/AblaufVentil.
Some were labeled D, some CH and some not at all, so those are probably country shorthands.
Some had an MAR which probaly means marine versions.
Two dryers had an 208/240 behind them, one being HP and EL.
One washer had an 63.5l in the name, that could either be the usage or the drum volume.
A washer and a dryer were labeled QSR. The washer manual wasn't avaible, but the dryer had a mid-range UI setup, so that is probably that, though no idea what QSR could stand for.
Many machines did not have a trim level asigned, but from what I can figure out there is Performance, Performance Plus, Evolution or Advanced.
The 63.5l was labeld Perf.P, so most likely PerfPlus (which often got cut down to Performance Plu).
There was also a Hygiene tag on and those machines only had disinfection cycles as additional programms.
I'll attach 2 screenshots showing all the model numbers.
So, what I have learned.
First of, for WHAT EVER REASON they have cap dosing on the washers and fragrance thingy on the dryers.
They have 2 label cycles, one triangle-thingy label cycle (the normal energy rating cycle accoding to EU law) and a Pro label cycle.
The manuals a verry vague about that. Only thing is that the load consists 50 50 of cotton and polyester, it is called the "Professional Label cycle" and that it does apparently have an EN paragraph, but no number yet.
No usage data is filled out.
All the dryers I chekced had a 130l drum.
I only saw 7kg and 8kg washers.
There are 3 UI layouts from what I saw.
One is cycle selector dial plus small touchscreen.
One is just small touchscreen (that was the QSR dryer).
One is large M-Touch touchscreen.
No recirculation pump.
Apparently 1600rpm.
Many cycles, many options (pre wash, pre rinse, intensive, soak [its 10min long], water plus, extra rinse, starch stop, rinse hold, pre ironing), depending on model of course.
Many setup options in terms of cycle modification (stuff like which parameters are selectable or which are displayed during a cycle, you can alternate all water levels, temperaturs, fills, rinse numbers and levels, timings etc.).
Overall I would dare to say they could be really nice, like impressivley good.
Just the pricing will be interesting.
But I will keep searching the archives for more!
On a side note:
There were some model numbers in that long list that seemed odd and unfamiliar.
For example, the WWE360. A PW2.0 8kg machine with SingleWash, but only 1400rpm and limited cycle selection.
Or a WCG170 (no manual).
Or some old numbers the internet knows next to nothing about like a W677 EcoSilence (apparently a toploader).
But most odd I found these machines on the third screenshot. 2 of those had manuals, apparently for the same machine, I think a first gen PW model with steam finish.
Just odd...
After writing Alex (logixx) an E-Mail commenting on the direction Miele is heading in I thought to myself: "Hey, you know your buisness, check the Miele manual data bases!"
First I checked on the 7000 line for home appliances.
Found some new lowest-end G7000 models (still as efficent, same cycles and options, still same interior design, just no touch interface - scrolling through cycles with a button - and no AutoDos), found exactly 2 oven manuals (both MOL non pyrolytic, so nothing interesting) and some verry interesting looking hobs (full flex induction for up to 6 pots at a time).
But overall, not much.
So, the new little giants were next.
The start was somewhat rough as my usual search tricks returned so many results the site crashed.
But, after some fideling, I found the first machine (I searched for EL AV manuals, so only professional machines heated with electricity and a drain valve showed up).
And from that one on, I hit the checkpot:
I saw that that first machine had the shorthand ANL in its title, and that usually shouldn't be there.
So I searched for ANL and BINGO.
Ok, the manuals that are online are anything but finished, however they already show lots of verry interesting things.
First of, dryers are PTE and PDR now, washers PWE and PWM now.
Professioneller Trockner Elektrisch and Professional Dryer
or respectivley
Professionelle Waschmaschine Elektrisch and Professional Washing Machine.
Color codes are LW for "Lotus Weiß"/"Lotus White" respectivley and "ED" or "SST" for "Edelstahl" or "Stainless Steel".
Dryers are either HP/WP for HeatPump/Wärmepumpe or EL/AB for Electric/Abluft.
Washers are either DP/LP for DrainPump/LaugenPumpe or DV/AV for DrainValve/AblaufVentil.
Some were labeled D, some CH and some not at all, so those are probably country shorthands.
Some had an MAR which probaly means marine versions.
Two dryers had an 208/240 behind them, one being HP and EL.
One washer had an 63.5l in the name, that could either be the usage or the drum volume.
A washer and a dryer were labeled QSR. The washer manual wasn't avaible, but the dryer had a mid-range UI setup, so that is probably that, though no idea what QSR could stand for.
Many machines did not have a trim level asigned, but from what I can figure out there is Performance, Performance Plus, Evolution or Advanced.
The 63.5l was labeld Perf.P, so most likely PerfPlus (which often got cut down to Performance Plu).
There was also a Hygiene tag on and those machines only had disinfection cycles as additional programms.
I'll attach 2 screenshots showing all the model numbers.
So, what I have learned.
First of, for WHAT EVER REASON they have cap dosing on the washers and fragrance thingy on the dryers.
They have 2 label cycles, one triangle-thingy label cycle (the normal energy rating cycle accoding to EU law) and a Pro label cycle.
The manuals a verry vague about that. Only thing is that the load consists 50 50 of cotton and polyester, it is called the "Professional Label cycle" and that it does apparently have an EN paragraph, but no number yet.
No usage data is filled out.
All the dryers I chekced had a 130l drum.
I only saw 7kg and 8kg washers.
There are 3 UI layouts from what I saw.
One is cycle selector dial plus small touchscreen.
One is just small touchscreen (that was the QSR dryer).
One is large M-Touch touchscreen.
No recirculation pump.
Apparently 1600rpm.
Many cycles, many options (pre wash, pre rinse, intensive, soak [its 10min long], water plus, extra rinse, starch stop, rinse hold, pre ironing), depending on model of course.
Many setup options in terms of cycle modification (stuff like which parameters are selectable or which are displayed during a cycle, you can alternate all water levels, temperaturs, fills, rinse numbers and levels, timings etc.).
Overall I would dare to say they could be really nice, like impressivley good.
Just the pricing will be interesting.
But I will keep searching the archives for more!
On a side note:
There were some model numbers in that long list that seemed odd and unfamiliar.
For example, the WWE360. A PW2.0 8kg machine with SingleWash, but only 1400rpm and limited cycle selection.
Or a WCG170 (no manual).
Or some old numbers the internet knows next to nothing about like a W677 EcoSilence (apparently a toploader).
But most odd I found these machines on the third screenshot. 2 of those had manuals, apparently for the same machine, I think a first gen PW model with steam finish.
Just odd...
Some more cross refference searching
OK, so, they lied at least a bit.
By checking some keywords seperatly, I found some more information.
Some machines do have Cotton Eco cycles, some have Cotton Pro and some have both.
Cotton Pro apparently is a verry efficent 60C cycle for normaly soiled mixed loads which is shorter then the true Eco cycle.
A washer with usage data (PWM 507, 7kg) is rated A+++ on the EU label scale. They do in fact have 1600rpm. The eco rating cycles do take 3 hours and use obscenly little water.
But even the normal cycles are pretty efficent. True 60C cottons with 2 rinses takes only uses 49l, 0.98kWh and 59min from cold fill.
At 40C usage drops to 0.55kWh, everything else stays the same.
A boil wash is done in under 90min with 57l and only 2kWh.
Some other manuals I found do have usage data in them as well.
The vented dryers are fast (and wastefull).
The heatpump dryer that had usage data in it even had a true EU rating. It was the matching dryer to the 507 washer, the 507 dryer. Rating is A++, A class condensing, 92min for a full load and 59min for a half load.
However, the cycle time table clearly shows that a 7kg load spun at 1600rpm from the companion dryer takes 71min. 71min is longer than an hour.
Ts ts.
There are mop versions as well already.
Further searching also reveled a PWM906.
(So, keep in mind I am writing this tag-on post as I am searching and reading.)
It is almost embarassing to admit how long it took me to realize that the last digit of the model number indicates the capacity.
PWM906 has 6kg, PWM907 has 7kg, PWM908 has 8kg.
Also interesting: The full touchscreen models allow you to create up to 5 individual cycles with up to 7 blocks each.
These machines also allow you to activate and deactive load sensing at will as well as something called "Controlled Energy Usage". On the boilwash, colours and easy care cycle, that option ensures the most energy efficent operation if it is activated. Probably something along the lines of not reheating the wash water 2min before the wash ends.
Oh, and as a side note if you should ever happen to use such a machine: All codes are default to 000. I would suppose many people just don't bother to change that code.
OK, so, they lied at least a bit.
By checking some keywords seperatly, I found some more information.
Some machines do have Cotton Eco cycles, some have Cotton Pro and some have both.
Cotton Pro apparently is a verry efficent 60C cycle for normaly soiled mixed loads which is shorter then the true Eco cycle.
A washer with usage data (PWM 507, 7kg) is rated A+++ on the EU label scale. They do in fact have 1600rpm. The eco rating cycles do take 3 hours and use obscenly little water.
But even the normal cycles are pretty efficent. True 60C cottons with 2 rinses takes only uses 49l, 0.98kWh and 59min from cold fill.
At 40C usage drops to 0.55kWh, everything else stays the same.
A boil wash is done in under 90min with 57l and only 2kWh.
Some other manuals I found do have usage data in them as well.
The vented dryers are fast (and wastefull).
The heatpump dryer that had usage data in it even had a true EU rating. It was the matching dryer to the 507 washer, the 507 dryer. Rating is A++, A class condensing, 92min for a full load and 59min for a half load.
However, the cycle time table clearly shows that a 7kg load spun at 1600rpm from the companion dryer takes 71min. 71min is longer than an hour.
Ts ts.
There are mop versions as well already.
Further searching also reveled a PWM906.
(So, keep in mind I am writing this tag-on post as I am searching and reading.)
It is almost embarassing to admit how long it took me to realize that the last digit of the model number indicates the capacity.
PWM906 has 6kg, PWM907 has 7kg, PWM908 has 8kg.
Also interesting: The full touchscreen models allow you to create up to 5 individual cycles with up to 7 blocks each.
These machines also allow you to activate and deactive load sensing at will as well as something called "Controlled Energy Usage". On the boilwash, colours and easy care cycle, that option ensures the most energy efficent operation if it is activated. Probably something along the lines of not reheating the wash water 2min before the wash ends.
Oh, and as a side note if you should ever happen to use such a machine: All codes are default to 000. I would suppose many people just don't bother to change that code.
tompw60
New member
PWM Little Giants in UK
Hi there
just read through the whole thread.
when do the Professional PWM series washers and dryers come on sale in the UK?
Hi there
just read through the whole thread.
when do the Professional PWM series washers and dryers come on sale in the UK?
