northernmary
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old style miele machine
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Nice machine, but I wonder why they added the information about a much newer Miele.
Nice machine, not too far away from me earlier! Shame I don't have any space :-(.
Jon
Jon
askomiele
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I don't have the space nor the electrice hook up
mielew4840
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Seems to be a bolt down machine indeed! a mid 60's comercial high capacity washer! the comercials mostly are bolt down! the result was an advanced durability, cause the machines ran a several times a day, in Apartmenthouses with a lot of renters! So the suspension was a delicatly part of the machine, wisely left away at this commercial washer! some of the loundromats don't have a suspension eighter, do they?
Seems to be a bolt down machine indeed! a mid 60's comercial high capacity washer! the comercials mostly are bolt down! the result was an advanced durability, cause the machines ran a several times a day, in Apartmenthouses with a lot of renters! So the suspension was a delicatly part of the machine, wisely left away at this commercial washer! some of the loundromats don't have a suspension eighter, do they?
hooverzodiac12
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for sure that doesn't spin at 1600 rpm. it can't can it?
irishwashguy
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Question to the un-learned
What would the top spin and or heater capacity be on this machine? I take it from looking at the controls that this machine picks the water level for you? How do bolt down something like this? This machine looks incredible for being about 40= years old from what my Gay eye tells me.
PS-Does that mean that you would have to get a new cord for this machine?As I said, I have never seen an old one in person, the states have only had Miele since 1988.
What would the top spin and or heater capacity be on this machine? I take it from looking at the controls that this machine picks the water level for you? How do bolt down something like this? This machine looks incredible for being about 40= years old from what my Gay eye tells me.
PS-Does that mean that you would have to get a new cord for this machine?As I said, I have never seen an old one in person, the states have only had Miele since 1988.
lederstiefel1
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Hi to all of you from Germany!
I can remember very well sitting hours in front of this generation of machines as we had this type in our laundry room in the basement when I was about 4-6 years old (lasted until I was over 20 and was then replaced by a newer, more modern one which still goes strong!) and it belonged to our landlady. That was in 1965! (We had no washer at all at that time yet and got our first machine in 1969 as far as I remember, a Bauknecht, nowadays Whirlpool crab..)
So, it was the outmost fun for me to sit in front of the glass-door, watching the machine doing it's job!
This machine must have a capacitiy of not more than 4,5 kg dry weight, which was common for German machines until a few years ago.
The machine of our neighbour had also 3-phase 380V (nowadays 400V) but had no hot water inlet as this is still unusual in Germany for homestead washers unlike commercial ones.
The machine should have 700 rpm when spinning which was a lot at that time as other automatic front-loaders had only 300 rpm or didn't spin at all so that a seperate spinner was needed!
This version must be a commercial washer as it has no drain-pump (to be seen at the back where it has a hugh outlet with electric valve inside instead of a hose and pump) and only some programmes whereas the machine of our landlady had much more cycles arround the programme-switch.
These machines can be switched to 220-240V 3-phase as well as to 2-phase, yes, just by changing some cables inside, but it must kept in consideration that also the heater element will go down to not more than 3000W instead of 4500W or even 6000W (depending on the model) when connected to 400V.
The machine also still has 5 rinses with a lot more water in than today and the wash-power is absolutely of "Good Olde Tymes" though gentle to the fabric - well, it's just a MIELE!
This machine is a typical German front-loader of the early 1960s and very sturdily built!
ABSOLUTELY worth to be collected - very rare nowadays!
Ralf
Hi to all of you from Germany!
I can remember very well sitting hours in front of this generation of machines as we had this type in our laundry room in the basement when I was about 4-6 years old (lasted until I was over 20 and was then replaced by a newer, more modern one which still goes strong!) and it belonged to our landlady. That was in 1965! (We had no washer at all at that time yet and got our first machine in 1969 as far as I remember, a Bauknecht, nowadays Whirlpool crab..)
So, it was the outmost fun for me to sit in front of the glass-door, watching the machine doing it's job!
This machine must have a capacitiy of not more than 4,5 kg dry weight, which was common for German machines until a few years ago.
The machine of our neighbour had also 3-phase 380V (nowadays 400V) but had no hot water inlet as this is still unusual in Germany for homestead washers unlike commercial ones.
The machine should have 700 rpm when spinning which was a lot at that time as other automatic front-loaders had only 300 rpm or didn't spin at all so that a seperate spinner was needed!
This version must be a commercial washer as it has no drain-pump (to be seen at the back where it has a hugh outlet with electric valve inside instead of a hose and pump) and only some programmes whereas the machine of our landlady had much more cycles arround the programme-switch.
These machines can be switched to 220-240V 3-phase as well as to 2-phase, yes, just by changing some cables inside, but it must kept in consideration that also the heater element will go down to not more than 3000W instead of 4500W or even 6000W (depending on the model) when connected to 400V.
The machine also still has 5 rinses with a lot more water in than today and the wash-power is absolutely of "Good Olde Tymes" though gentle to the fabric - well, it's just a MIELE!
This machine is a typical German front-loader of the early 1960s and very sturdily built!
ABSOLUTELY worth to be collected - very rare nowadays!
Ralf
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Sorry...
Sorry - just saw it has only FOUR rinse cycles! So it's defenitely a commercial washer as the household machines had five!
Ralf
Sorry - just saw it has only FOUR rinse cycles! So it's defenitely a commercial washer as the household machines had five!
Ralf
Looking again at the pictures...
Am I correct that there are two connectors for water tubes at the back of the machine? Maybe one for cold and the other for hot water. However, they differ from each other. Is one being unused in this machine?
Then the detergent dispenser. That is the nice heavy solid stainless steel one that I remember from the older Mieles. Now, being a commercial machine, is there a bleach compartment inside? I have never seen bleach compartments in domestic washers but I remember that liquid chlorine bleach was used in commercial washers. When I went to the laundromat in the 1960's they had those Bendix washers without detergent dispenser. There simply was a hole on top of the machine and you had to pour detergent and bleach in the machine when the appropriate signalling light burned. First the detergent and later the bleach. The colours of the lights corresponded with the colours of the jugs with detergent and bleach.
Am I correct that there are two connectors for water tubes at the back of the machine? Maybe one for cold and the other for hot water. However, they differ from each other. Is one being unused in this machine?
Then the detergent dispenser. That is the nice heavy solid stainless steel one that I remember from the older Mieles. Now, being a commercial machine, is there a bleach compartment inside? I have never seen bleach compartments in domestic washers but I remember that liquid chlorine bleach was used in commercial washers. When I went to the laundromat in the 1960's they had those Bendix washers without detergent dispenser. There simply was a hole on top of the machine and you had to pour detergent and bleach in the machine when the appropriate signalling light burned. First the detergent and later the bleach. The colours of the lights corresponded with the colours of the jugs with detergent and bleach.
irishwashguy
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WOW! Now I know a little more
It is just a matter of changing the plug, wow, that sounds quite versitle. Did you say that the machine had no pump?
It is just a matter of changing the plug, wow, that sounds quite versitle. Did you say that the machine had no pump?
lederstiefel1
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Bleach-dispenser - two inlet-hoses
Hi Mielabor!
Yes, THIS machine has two connections for hot and cold water - that is because it is a commercial washer.
In laundrettes there are usually machines with hot-water filling to shorten the total wash-time for the convenience of the clients, but usually at home only very seldom people have hot-water inlets with their household washers as they do charge extra for that purpose of the appliance!
The detergent dispenser! Yeahhh you're soo right in saying so! That is real sturdy MIELE-Quality from a by-gone Tyme... Smile!
In Germany traditionally no washer had a bleach dispenser as we usually do not use chlorine bleach for about 100 years anymore. In old household-books from the turn of the century you will already find notes that advise against the use of it as it damages the fibres! And with the introduction of PERSIL, "the first self-acting wash-powder of the world", coming onto the market in Germany in 1907, there was no need for the use of any extra bleaching-agent. Even before that time women preferred the lawn-bleaching method or sour-milk treatment of garments and only used chlorine bleach when that method had failed or if there wasn't any other possibility to carry it out (big cities, bad weather, sooty air, etc.).
And still people look suspiciously at the use of any chlorine bleach in the house... And as far as I remember MIELE never recommended the use of chlorine bleach in their machines.
Nevertheless there was a different habit to chlorine bleach in commercial laudries, especially when they used to wash garments of hospitals, institutions and hotels, to get them really disinfected.
Ralf
Hi Mielabor!
Yes, THIS machine has two connections for hot and cold water - that is because it is a commercial washer.
In laundrettes there are usually machines with hot-water filling to shorten the total wash-time for the convenience of the clients, but usually at home only very seldom people have hot-water inlets with their household washers as they do charge extra for that purpose of the appliance!
The detergent dispenser! Yeahhh you're soo right in saying so! That is real sturdy MIELE-Quality from a by-gone Tyme... Smile!
In Germany traditionally no washer had a bleach dispenser as we usually do not use chlorine bleach for about 100 years anymore. In old household-books from the turn of the century you will already find notes that advise against the use of it as it damages the fibres! And with the introduction of PERSIL, "the first self-acting wash-powder of the world", coming onto the market in Germany in 1907, there was no need for the use of any extra bleaching-agent. Even before that time women preferred the lawn-bleaching method or sour-milk treatment of garments and only used chlorine bleach when that method had failed or if there wasn't any other possibility to carry it out (big cities, bad weather, sooty air, etc.).
And still people look suspiciously at the use of any chlorine bleach in the house... And as far as I remember MIELE never recommended the use of chlorine bleach in their machines.
Nevertheless there was a different habit to chlorine bleach in commercial laudries, especially when they used to wash garments of hospitals, institutions and hotels, to get them really disinfected.
Ralf
Changing the plug...
You can adapt the machine to 230 Volt but European frequency is 50 Hz and American frequency is 60 Hz. The timer, and possibly the motor too, will therefore run faster than was intended. And yes, the machine must be drained by gravitation (drain pipe lower than machine).
You can adapt the machine to 230 Volt but European frequency is 50 Hz and American frequency is 60 Hz. The timer, and possibly the motor too, will therefore run faster than was intended. And yes, the machine must be drained by gravitation (drain pipe lower than machine).
Ralf,
I assume that chlorine bleach was used in laundromats because of the reduced washing time that was usual there (30-45 minutes for a complete cycle). Chlorine bleach works much faster than the alternative perborate. I also remember that the detergent was very high sudsing. The window of the machines was usually completely covered with foam.
I assume that chlorine bleach was used in laundromats because of the reduced washing time that was usual there (30-45 minutes for a complete cycle). Chlorine bleach works much faster than the alternative perborate. I also remember that the detergent was very high sudsing. The window of the machines was usually completely covered with foam.
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no pump
Yes, as far as I can see this machine has NO pump - because in commercial machines there were no pumps necessary, as they have floor-drainage with tubes that go directely into the sewage. They have a valve that opens with a clank and the water rushes down the drain... (Much faster than any drain-pump!! And lasts longer too!!)
In the past MIELE always offered the opportunity to change the electrical connection on all machines from 220-230-240V to 380-400-415V AC and also from 3-phase to 2-phase AC and even some from AC to DC, too!
Some commercial MIELE machines had even the possibility to be changed from electrical heaters to low-pressure steam injectors for 120°-130°C steam or steam heated coils with 400°C steam or could be bought with gas-burners at an extra charge as well!
But I doubt that this is still available...
Ralf
Yes, as far as I can see this machine has NO pump - because in commercial machines there were no pumps necessary, as they have floor-drainage with tubes that go directely into the sewage. They have a valve that opens with a clank and the water rushes down the drain... (Much faster than any drain-pump!! And lasts longer too!!)
In the past MIELE always offered the opportunity to change the electrical connection on all machines from 220-230-240V to 380-400-415V AC and also from 3-phase to 2-phase AC and even some from AC to DC, too!
Some commercial MIELE machines had even the possibility to be changed from electrical heaters to low-pressure steam injectors for 120°-130°C steam or steam heated coils with 400°C steam or could be bought with gas-burners at an extra charge as well!
But I doubt that this is still available...
Ralf
Lack of drain pumps is one reason commercial/laundromat washing machines last for ages, if not forever. No drain pump also means that these machines do not have to slow down spinning during high foam and or water draining situations, thus each spin gives full extraction. Finally no drain pump in theory means one less part to maintain/repair.
One reason one prefers hauling large down duvets to the laundromat or sending them to a commercial laundry is that those large washers do not mess around when it comes to spinning/draining out the massive amounts of water such items can hold. It is kind of scary to feel the vibrations coming through the concrete floor as the machine ramps up to speed, and watch cascades of water pour down the window of the washing machine door. On domestic/pump washing machines so much water would surely slow down the pump, and if the water amount was great, the spin cycle might time out before total extraction.
My vintage Miele using a series of short (30 sec) spins before the main final spin to help make sure much of the water is gone so the final spin can do it's job.
Miele washing machines and chlorine bleach:
According to the Miele techs one has spoken to, contrary to popular belief, it is the electrical components inside the drum (one presumes the sensors that deal with heating and such), that are sensitive to chlorine bleach damage. Miele's new uber washers sold in the United States allow use of LCB, though the warranty on the tubs is no longer lifetime, IIRC; and the outer tub is fiberglass.
Chlorine bleach and European laundries:
Europeans have in general not be huge fans of chlorine bleach (eau de Javel in France), mainly because even back in the 1700's it was known chlorine bleach weakens and can damage textiles, especially linen. Many well off households stuck to bleaching fields and then boiling with perborate bleaching and or sent their laundry out to the country (where one assumes clean air and land could be found for sun bleaching). Story is that some very wealthy French familes would send their laundry off to the French West Indies to make sure it was done in clean water and fresh air/sunshine.
Being as all this may, there are simply certian stains that will not shift with oxygen bleaching, and or would require such long boiling times the stains would not shift, that using a quick chlorine bath is the only remedy. Commercial laundries have access to a rather powerful chlorine bleach designed to "reclaim" badly stained linens. We're talking about items so badly stained that if the bleach ruined them it wouldn't matter as they were otherwise going to the rag bin.
L.
One reason one prefers hauling large down duvets to the laundromat or sending them to a commercial laundry is that those large washers do not mess around when it comes to spinning/draining out the massive amounts of water such items can hold. It is kind of scary to feel the vibrations coming through the concrete floor as the machine ramps up to speed, and watch cascades of water pour down the window of the washing machine door. On domestic/pump washing machines so much water would surely slow down the pump, and if the water amount was great, the spin cycle might time out before total extraction.
My vintage Miele using a series of short (30 sec) spins before the main final spin to help make sure much of the water is gone so the final spin can do it's job.
Miele washing machines and chlorine bleach:
According to the Miele techs one has spoken to, contrary to popular belief, it is the electrical components inside the drum (one presumes the sensors that deal with heating and such), that are sensitive to chlorine bleach damage. Miele's new uber washers sold in the United States allow use of LCB, though the warranty on the tubs is no longer lifetime, IIRC; and the outer tub is fiberglass.
Chlorine bleach and European laundries:
Europeans have in general not be huge fans of chlorine bleach (eau de Javel in France), mainly because even back in the 1700's it was known chlorine bleach weakens and can damage textiles, especially linen. Many well off households stuck to bleaching fields and then boiling with perborate bleaching and or sent their laundry out to the country (where one assumes clean air and land could be found for sun bleaching). Story is that some very wealthy French familes would send their laundry off to the French West Indies to make sure it was done in clean water and fresh air/sunshine.
Being as all this may, there are simply certian stains that will not shift with oxygen bleaching, and or would require such long boiling times the stains would not shift, that using a quick chlorine bath is the only remedy. Commercial laundries have access to a rather powerful chlorine bleach designed to "reclaim" badly stained linens. We're talking about items so badly stained that if the bleach ruined them it wouldn't matter as they were otherwise going to the rag bin.
L.
