Out with the old and in with the older.......

[gadgetgary]

In all fairness to the Bosch

It was an excellent cleaner and extremely quiet.
But the long cycle times, poor racking and lack of a drying heater and fan were just too many negatives for my friend who inherited the machine when it came with the house.

Hopefully, he will be much happier with a traditional American style that he is used to.

 

[gadgetgary]

Silverware basket

Can it be placed along the front of the rack too?

 

[gadgetgary]

Manual

KA Website

http://shared.whirlpoolcorp.com/assets/pdfs/literature/Use%20and%20Care%20Guide%20-%209743107.pdf

 

[toggleswitch2]

24 Inches s slightly larger than 60cm

If we count the number of left-to-right rows of tines in the lower rack, the KithcenAid has 7, whereas the Bosch has only 4. Makes loading a *itch.

The gadget and I spent a good deal of time trying all differents brands of racks in the Bosch. NOTHING worked. The width of the machinne was 1/4 to 1/2 inch narrower say (10 to 15mm)than any other Anerican brand.

 

[toggleswitch2]

There was a very full moon that night

Here are more shots of the Bosch. Please excuse the huge Buffalo butt.

 

[toggleswitch2]

Naked Bosch

 

[toggleswitch2]

backside. LOL

 

[toggleswitch2]

front, dangling hose, nice length

 

[spankomatic]

Great move! I would take the Kitchenaid any day over the Bosch. I have had both. Kitchenaid wins!

Jim

 

[appnut]

Silverware basket

It really doesn't BELONG at teh front of the bottom rack!!! If you do that, you end up losing some space for placing of a nice comfortable row of dishes and then some oblong cassaroles or stuff. Look at my BobLoad pics of the Kenmore. it BELONGS on the right side of the bottom rack for utmost racking capacity and efficiency. I noticed immediately the silverwaer rafck in the Bosch being out of place. No wonder he couldn't get much in there. Do you get the idea I do not like for silverware baskets to be placed where they weren't designed to? Especially since I do not thihnk it's splittable, which is a big loss. At least with it splittable, you can remove sectons not needed. Again, see my dishwasher loads. I split it for a reason, being increase capacity and flexibility. I better get off my soap box before I get further pi**ed. This is not a porcelain KitchenAid. Adjust and you'll se you'll be able to put more in there the way it was intended.

 

[turboace]

The Bosch

Do you know if he had set the bosch to boost the final rinse temp to improve drying results? Look in the manual, it is a combination of button presses. I did it to mine and it greatly improved drying. Everything I put in is dry. I have noticed on loads with a lot of plastic, they are not as dry. How does the dB of the KA compare to the Bosch?

 

[sudsmaster]

I've got a Bosch 43CU MOL machine, about 8 years old, and I have no complaints about the cleaning or the drying. The cycles ARE long, though. Usually about 1 hr 35 minutes on regular cycle.

What's good about the Bosch: very quiet (although not the quietest), cleans very well, frugal on energy, frugal on dw detergent, frugal on water, frugal on rinse aid, and you can put plastic items in the bottom rack without worrying about them melting from an exposed heating element (the heating element is hidden in a water chamber below). The upper rack is also height adjustable, and can be removed completely for washing extra tall items (like that 20 qt stock pot). The final rinse can be set to 161F which does some extra "sanitizing" and also aids drying.

What's not so good about the Bosch: Long-ass cycles (aforementioned 1 hr 35 minutes). Racks are slightly shorter than American dw's. Filter has to be cleaned manually. If not cleaned enough, it will start to stink a bit and I will notice little particles left on the glassware. Drying may not be quite as complete as with a hot air driven drying cycle, but it's acceptable to me.

I do have a Kitchenaid or two that I could replace the Bosch with. Namely a KDS-18 and a KDS-21. I lean towards the 18, because the heating element is more recessed. And as I recall, the 21 has a plastic cold air blower, vs the heated metal air blower of the 18. Maybe some day I will. Would be really nice if I could install BOTH dishwashers in the kitchen, but currently don't have the under-counter space for it. Then again, Home Depot is just a few miles away, and has plenty of cabinetry... lol...

 

[toggleswitch2]

So Bob, it appears that in both the Bosch and the KitchenAid the silverware bin belongs on the right side of the rack? Is that correct?

The friend of Gary's is used to a classic KitchenAid and likes his tableware-holders in the front, where it was located (for him) for decades!

The KA is a bit louder, but NOT BAD!

 

[gadgetgary]

Do you know if he had set the bosch to boost the final rinse

Yes, he did that.

Still hated the fact that the dishes were not dry when left overnite in the dw.

The Bosch was completely silent. The only way you knew it was working was a red light directed to the floor. It also beeped when finished(could not hear that to open door when sleeping upstairs).

All in all, he seems much happier with the KA. Is the loading the only factor for not putting the silver basket in the front? It seemed to clean the silverware fine on it maiden load after installation.

 

[gadgetgary]

Next Generation 25 series

Shows a split silver basket that can be placed anywhere in the lower rack.

I realize it is an upper end model, but it does state that it can be placed in several locations of the lower rack(pg 10).

http://shared.whirlpoolcorp.com/assets/pdfs/literature/Use%20and%20Care%20Guide%20-%209744039.pdf

 

[dnastrau]

KitchenAid

I would check the bushings that the Hydrosweep rides on. If they are worn out/broken it is worth replacing them. Ours did (one model higher than the one pictured) and washing performance suffered dramatically as it did not allow the Hydrosweep to spin properly and a lot of the pressurized water probably didn't make it to the wash arms.

I replaced the bushing on the top spray arm too even though it was probably still OK.

FWIW, these machines came in second in Consumer Reports in those years just behind the Bosch. We have enjoyed ours for 10 years.

Andrew S.

 

[gadgetgary]

Washing performance

Worked great.

Hopefully, he will like it much more than the Bosch.

My understanding is that the Bosch will replace an aging GE2800.

 

[gansky1]

Those KAs were good machines, Jon has one and loves it!

 

[58limited]

I have had no complaints with my 5 year old KitchenAid. It performs way better than the 1980s GE it replaced.

 

[sudsmaster]

I've yet to find a dish that isn't bone dry at the end of a Bosch cycle.

It is important to unload the lower rack first, though. If you pull the upper rack, water left in the upper wash arm will sprinkle down on the dishes below.

And of course the water that collects in the bottoms of inverted tea cups etc will not have all evaporated by the end of the cycle. I actually prefer that to the tell-tale mineral deposits if it is forced to evaporate by a hot air cycle. It only takes a quick wipe with a dish towel to dry out these little puddles. For items like Glad or Ziplock plastic food storage containers, which collect water in their rims, I just put them right side up in the rack as the last act in unloading, and the collected water drains out fairly quickly. Or I give them a good shake/tap on the rack and the water spurts out. Not a problem for me.