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So i was at target the other day and smelled liquid tide mountain spring, guess what??? The scent changed!!!!! Yeah big surprise there right??? (Not) anyways long story short emailed pg and the "original" scent has been "updated" both liquid and powder, while the old original scent is now put in the mountain spring bottle, so we now have two scents that smell the same (minor difference) and the mountain spring scent has been dropped, i do not understand pg!!!! Nedless to say i emailed pg and told them to forward my message to mr Shailesh G. Jejurikar, which is the president of fabric care north america, i also let them know that according to tons of reviews people are not happy including the scent change of downy april fresh.
 
Tilting at Windmills:

I admire your resolve to communicate your displeasure to P & G, but it's obvious to me that stinkimus maximus is so deeply ingrained into their corporate culture that they don't know any other way to do things.

It has reached the point where I not only don't purchase P & G products, I won't even consider one. I won't take a "test sniff," nor do anything else that might bring me into contact with the stench of a P & G product, because it's a foregone conclusion that whatever "New and Improved" they come up with involves an even more nauseating odor than the one that went before.

What I have smelled makes me feel like P & G products are targeted to the kind of woman who idolized Malibu Barbie as a kid and idolizes Kim Kardashian today. It's a kind of fruity-flowery-bubble-gummy, excessively girly smell and IT STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN.
 
Another thing about PG and other makers-foods and cleaning products-is their constant "package Shrinkitous"and charging the same prices as the older larger package-and they call it "our new resource saving package"!Companies---PLEASE KNOCK THIS OFF!!!!Sell me the POUND of detergent,chocolate mix,whatever instead of the "GYP YOU" size 12 oz or whatever-I am WILLING to pay the price!
 
good lord this old chestnut

Tolivac thats all fine and dandy but your the only one willing to pay more.

When someone only has ....FOR INSTANCE.... $50 dollars to maintain their current standard of living and needs to buy 50 items at a dollar each to do so then putting more cents on the price of an item means that consumers WONT buy it because that means compromising buying another item.

Simple mathematics and psychology.

Id rather have a smaller cake mix and ultimately a smaller slice of cake in this situation than no cake at all just because 10 cents have been added to everything to allow for inflation. That's how people think when shopping these days.

Bitchin about it here isn't solving anything. Look at the bigger picture for once and see what is important to people with low disposable income budgets.
 
Soon all of that bitching and ballyhoo about the fragrance of Persil powder will seem quaint. The customer for whom the detergent companies used to design and perfume their products in this country is not the customer for whom they perfume and package products today.

We have seen reports posted about the illiterate or semi-literate people who come to coin laundries, pack as much as possible into washers then pour detergent without measuring before starting the washer with dumbed-down water temperatures. To them, cleanliness is measured by the removal to the stink and its replacement by strong sweet odors.

The name of the person who is now head of the fabric care for North America should give you a hint that control has passed out of our hands. Corporations are multinational now, owing no allegiance to any one country or group, regardless of country of origin or location.
 
That's All Very Well, But....

I would be willing to bet that the unserved consumers - men and women - who would prefer not to smell like a budget-priced lady of the evening are a sizable market.

It seems to me that conditions are ripe for someone with some savvy to create a detergent with a "smell of clean" similar to '50 and '60s products and market it.

Most men would prefer not to smell like Kim Kardashian. Many, many women would like for laundry products not to compete with expensive fragrances. Other women don't like a "perfumey" smell at all (my mom was like this).

I strongly feel that an important market is being ignored.
 
I'm just waiting for the "new" powdered Mountain Spring to hit the shelves so I can have my "Original" scent back, last I checked powdered mountain spring was still the old scent on the shelves (which makes me wanna hurl)
I left a couple of reviews on their site back in the fall about this and all I got was "our mountain spring now contains the old original scent" Oy...
Meanwhile I've finally decided to try the bottle of Gain original I bought awhile back (that smells so good in the bottle) only to have my clothes come out smelling like perfumed kitty litter.

P&G (and anyone else following in their tracks) is quickly converting me to an unscented detergent user.
 
The only scent from P&G that I can still enjoy is original Gain, but ONLY the powder. The liquid smells completely different to me, as do the dish detergents, Mr.Clean with Gain cleaners; basically anything that has the Gain logo on it besides laundry detergent.

My all time favorite fabric softener was Downy Spring & Renewal, but it has been changed to the point that it makes me nauseous.
 
Don't mean to hi jack the thread

But has anyone noticed that some of these "new" scents (even ones not made by P.G) take a couple of Washings to get out!
I just tried Whisk original and hated the scent, after re washing with non scented... Some of the scent is still there!
Can't imagine what it would be like to do laundry with the same scented detergent over and over? At some point...doubt it would ever come out of the fabric.
And who comes up with the scent in the first place? Who's makes it, tests it and says " oh this is it"
 
Yes

It took me forever to get the stench of Tide w Febreeze out of my clothes, ironically the Gain Original that smells like kitty litter to me wore off pretty quickly. (Or I just got used to it quick as we used to have two stinky cats)
I've been trying the Wisk Original too, I can't quite place what it smells like but it's the lesser of the evils for me, but I did notice it sticks around a bit.
 
Can't

Tell exactly what the Wisk is supposed to smell like either! Sort of has a fruity smell while it's washing, but changes to a petro chemical smell that someone threw a banana into while drying!
It did a good cleaning job, but I had also spiked it with about 3 Tbls of washing soda.
There's a little laundry room two doors down from me that is for four apartments there to use. I always smell horrid detergent, and fabric softener smells blowing out the dryer vents. There is were I sit laundry detergent that I hate, so it doesn't go to waste!
So they are going to get my bottle of Wisk to try! LOL
 
I can just say that even the scent of laundry products of the 90s have nothing to do with today's ones.
Softeners and detergents, yes, now they all have either that cheap sweet fruity scent or the perfumy coologne whatever note, no fresh clean scents like before..all too sweet and emulating stuff external to laundry...sometimes I can barely distinguish them from cheap shower gels and or even candies and pops and teenage deodorants...
I recently used the esselunga store brand powder ( because they changed manufacturer and wanted to try it) and I swear smelled like root beer!
Few products still stick to what's proper to laundry perfuming...scent detergents and only detergents used to have...
Without touching the button of scent strenghth, I just wish laundry products would come with a scent type that's proper to laundry...
As others have said, nowadays for some people probably detergent is seen as a substitute for else.....so now they smell like else...
That's all too bad.......when all will become like this, I'll still have my dear soap flakes and my own made soaps....
But i see that for some people here, is not the scent kind that bothers them, but the presence of a scent itself...
I love scented laundry...but it must be a proper scent.
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P&G is the same over here. Ariel used to smell nice! It now smells very, very strongly of pine needles crossed with lemon or something like that. It's very hard to put your finger on what the scent is as it's entirely artificial, but it's very pungent.

 

The only thing that smells close to it is one of the Aussi hair conditioners (the 3 minute miracle version ... only thing I've ever smelt that's close to Ariel)

 

Ariel of old used to smell just 'clean' and quite nice.

 

Meanwhile Unilever's Persil's not quite as whiffy. The powders smell quite nice but much stronger than the old formula. It's a scent that's not quite as artificial as Ariel.

 

Persil Small and Mighty Liquid smells rather unique, it's quite a nice, very non-floral smell but it's very definitely 100% synthetic. 
 
Ariel has a very citrusy smell, combined with blue Lenor produces a nice scent. Bold is the one to watch it has so much perfume in it these days you are able to tell who's washed their clothes in it it's that strong.

Persil non bio powder doesnt have a nice smell. Well not in the box anyway. On finished laundry it smells pleasant, with some blue Lenor they combine quite nicely surprisingly.
 
The smell of Ariel powder is delightful. That's one of the reasons I buy it! We've always had ariel and always will, the scent makes me love it even more.mixed with Lenor infusions its laundry heaven!
 
And even more

Than their stinch, it stinks up my washers. Clothes I can replace, but my washers are vintage and cannot be replaced.

I remember the days (at 53 now) when one could open the lid to any washer and take a wiff!!!! It was nice. Now, it's all mold, be it top or front load. You guys are exactly right. STINCH MAXIMUSS!
 
The problem is even if P&G (and others) wanted to spoil us with those great scents from the past they simply couldn`t do it because of constant restictions.

Scent oils usually consist out of myriad of chemicals and many of them get constantly outlawed or otherwise restricted like in quantity of use. What has been considered safe yesterday so often turns out a carcinogen or as a potent allergen or whatever.

And it`s not only about detergent, for example Chanel No 5 should actually be called Chanel No 500 today because it had to be reformulated countless times and has very little to do with its original scent.

Another problem with detergents seems to be cost reduction. Good scent oils are expensive and I think shrinking the packages is only one part to combat inflation.
 
I'm really sick and tired of all these bans, regulations restrictions etc....

Scents cancirogenic? Okay so is alot of other things that keeps being sold, so are the cigarettes of which govs keep having mopnopoly on....
We're living in a world in hands of controls freaks who are themselves out of control!
I wonder what's the sense in forbidding anyway..okay they're be proven to be cancirogenic, but I swear if they started carrying the old stuff I'd buy in a second anyway,  why not giving the people the choice to choose!
Cancirogenic...there are surely more cancirogenic and  potentially dangerous stuff around than this,  especially foods and habits one chose to have, and the   allergens, oh my god? Wanna keep yourself on the safe side? Just like is  for cigarettes you may start writing "use it at your own risk because of: xxx xxx xxxx"and for alergens "it contains  the following allergens. xxx xxx xx"  and I surely will and make sure it's okay for me....don't worry! Will they start banning peanuts snacks soon?  What's the logic...don't get it. As long as people are informed....what's the deal in banning?
Time to:
Stop this nanny statism over any minimal bullshit, my life is my life and I want it to really be mine with all the enjoyments and conseguences I chose, think and decide are worth to be in my life......not the state or everyone else.
This is over  exagerating in my opinion....

 

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@kenmoreguy89 not really. What we are living in is world that went a bit crazy on using tons of artificially created chemicals mostly in the early to mid 20th century, without much idea of how those things would interact with our systems.

We also have pretty startling rates of cancer, so anything that eliminates unnecessary potential carcinogenic materials from the general environment and from products that come into close contact with us is a good idea!
 
I suppose

Because this is what they think folks likes today,  and as other have said, maybe they're not that wrong...given the standard of many things and ways they do stuff, I can't say be surprised of the kind of smell they likes also...
Seems infact much relies not only in demographics and ethnicity, but also the age, as generations progresses, laundry misconceptions and inettitudes  seems to go togheter...
But it's not all like them of course.... but as long as they satisfy the most and makes their money, all is okay..I see things can just go worse for "us".
I really cannot  give any other explanation....
 

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unnecessary

is the word.... who define what necessary is and what's not? You? The government? Who can do that better than me for my very self sake  or bad?
The world we are living in now is also the world where great part of food people eats is processed to unthinkable levels, is the world where parents thinks better to leave their childrens in front of the TV to eat crap and become balloons,   rather than bringing them out as it's time and energy consuming... oh and it's somewhat more dangerous than the stroke they're going to get at age 30,  is the world where dinners are microwaved instead of being cooked as they should be...yet they worry  more about detergents than the stuff that matters.and that anyway should be kept to personal choice and will, and if you hear these people their lifestyle is to every bit as  necessary as it gets, not for me, but I'd not dream to impose my ideas on them, not command them what to do.
I may well say that  heavily do alcohol is undoubtedly dangerous, as it is feeding oneself at McDonald every day, yet people are rightly given this decision to do those in the measure they wants and feels, granted that you're informed the conseguences of that, and you decide to keep doing it, it's up to you.. as it should be...so  I just questioning myself why for detergents shouldn't be given the same untouchable  freedom like it is given for smoking, drinking 100 beers a day, eat microwave garbage, not to move a finger etc...and they worry so much for things that should be out of their businesses,..they have no right to do that in my opinion! Ever.
Warning okay, but not impose or banning!

 

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Think that James (iej)

Brings up a very important and often forgotten point (20th century)
Here in the States and prior to WW2, most of the mainstay cleaning products in the home where basic.
Bon Ami, Barkeepers Freind, Soap Flakes, bar soaps, Borax, Sal Soda, vinegar, baking soda, Clorax. Somehow they managed to keep house with those mainstays.
After the war and since, 80,000 chemicals have been introduced into the home, that weren't there before. Not counting the ones now used outside the home.
The "better living through modern chemistry" happened shorty after the war. Tupperware was something that came out, using a chemical that was left over, and had been stock piled during the war. Someone figured out another way to make something else out of it!
Windex, Lemon Pledge, Commet, Ajax, modern detergents, dish washing detergents, toilet cleansers, products in aerosol cans became available All these...after the war, and of course were scented with combos of plant oils, and chemicals.
We've since become use to scents and cleaning going hand in hand, and we get mad when the scents are changed. It's extremely frustrating given the horrid scents there coming up with.
However...A thought provoking question is...Do we really need them? And if we used just those "basics" for a month or so...and then were reintroduced to laundry aisle at the store, what would our noses pick up?

To be honest here... I started relying mostly on those basic mainstays that were here first! And have for a good while. And guess what! you really can keep a house and laundry clean and fresh smelling with just those basics!
I certainly don't want to disparage anyone's favorite scent, but personally after being away from most of it. I don't want it back.

I still use Fels Naptha for certain things, and don't mind the smell, but it goes away, so dose vinegar!
 
Tupperware--came from a plastic- Polyethelene--this was discovered accidently when natural gas was compressed to like 25,000PSI-caused the plastic to come from the gas-a component of it.The plastic was first used as cable insulation--esp for radio communication and radar cables during WW2."Poly" was invented shortly before the war-by Bakelite Co,then it was discovered that the plastic was an excellent electric insulator and easily molded and extruded-hence for cable insulation.The "ethelene" in the gas was polermerized when the natural gas was compressed.Poly comes from both natural gas and petreleaum.
 
Tupperware

Still was not in the home til after the war.
"Refrigerator Bowls" (glass) Wax paper, a saucer set over a glass bowl, and set in the fridge or ice box. were common for food storage.

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Answer -

Check Riteaid. I had never really looked much in there, for detergents until I heard Laundress, mention them. It's like a Grocery Store Time Machine Service. You can find older boxes of Tide with the old scent there.

I have a nice stockpile though (enough to get me (and probably a whole dorm hall) through college).. I have enough ;)
 
I've got some Liq Tide. Might be useful for presoak concentrates, that's all I use it for. It will make foam as a 'full load' detergent but almost anything cleans better.

It's like P&G invents this stuff and dumps it on the market without ever TRYING it.
 
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