Ray,
The box in the pics you posted is UK. It has the same "splat" logo that is on our Wisk.
The box in the pics you posted is UK. It has the same "splat" logo that is on our Wisk.
Persil Gel Tablets
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Oh Mike
I will have to swing by there and try some, I like the idea of liquid and powder together. Just picked some Wisk 3X , it hasnt been around for almost a year. Great product.
"cheap french whore house" that is funny!
I like Downy Mountain Spring? but thats the only scent I like so I usually buy unscented. Everything is too floral for my taste, I grew up with Chemical Clean so I like things like Fels Naptha.
I will have to swing by there and try some, I like the idea of liquid and powder together. Just picked some Wisk 3X , it hasnt been around for almost a year. Great product.
"cheap french whore house" that is funny!
I like Downy Mountain Spring? but thats the only scent I like so I usually buy unscented. Everything is too floral for my taste, I grew up with Chemical Clean so I like things like Fels Naptha.
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I usually stick with Downy April Fresh softener. I did buy a bottle of Snuggle Blue Sparkle...the scent is kinda nice I think but from my experience is that when it smells nice in the bottle doesnt translate to the clothes well.
Funny thing about Tide 2x liquid is that I dont have a problem with it in the crappy Maytag/Samsung's drum. It doesnt suds up at all...I do think it has to do with the drum perforations with the Maytag having much much more than the Miele. The Miele holds more water in the drum and the pattern contributes to the sudsing factor. Plus Miele's tumbling pattern of slowly rotating then revving up to power washing the load at high speed has alot to do with sudsing. The HydroMatic system the Miele uses is very effective in washing. The Maytag not so much.
Funny thing about Tide 2x liquid is that I dont have a problem with it in the crappy Maytag/Samsung's drum. It doesnt suds up at all...I do think it has to do with the drum perforations with the Maytag having much much more than the Miele. The Miele holds more water in the drum and the pattern contributes to the sudsing factor. Plus Miele's tumbling pattern of slowly rotating then revving up to power washing the load at high speed has alot to do with sudsing. The HydroMatic system the Miele uses is very effective in washing. The Maytag not so much.
jerrod6
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I used the Tide 2X liquid in my Miele also, but it is a 6k W1986 without the honeycomb drum. The machine and tub is smaller so I was wondering if the problem was created by a faster tumble..you know maybe the tub is spinning faster than a larger tub would but nmainman36 you may be on to something with the way the tumble speed revs up or down.
In my 6K the tumble starts faster and slows down at the end which I think is the opposite of the way the larger machines work.
The only other liquid detergent I've tried was Purex He. I tried this after learning that Henkel owned Dial. Actually Purex didn't do a bad job on colors and the rinsing was not bad either, but it didn't perform well with whites and I was afraid to increase the dosage.
I find German Persil Gel a bit sudsy also but it will rinse well and it is nothing like the problem caused by liquid Tide.
In this day of technology I don't understand why Tide is so sudsy in any machine, especially with machines using less and less water for rinses. I thought about trying Tide total..whatever the new stuff is called but now, forget about it.
I don't care for dead sweet FS either. My neighbors use something that smells like cotton candy. As soon as I step out of the back door I know they are doing laundry because the area smells like a carnival. Interesting about the Miele FS because I don't seem to smell it at all in wet or dry clothes.
In my 6K the tumble starts faster and slows down at the end which I think is the opposite of the way the larger machines work.
The only other liquid detergent I've tried was Purex He. I tried this after learning that Henkel owned Dial. Actually Purex didn't do a bad job on colors and the rinsing was not bad either, but it didn't perform well with whites and I was afraid to increase the dosage.
I find German Persil Gel a bit sudsy also but it will rinse well and it is nothing like the problem caused by liquid Tide.
In this day of technology I don't understand why Tide is so sudsy in any machine, especially with machines using less and less water for rinses. I thought about trying Tide total..whatever the new stuff is called but now, forget about it.
I don't care for dead sweet FS either. My neighbors use something that smells like cotton candy. As soon as I step out of the back door I know they are doing laundry because the area smells like a carnival. Interesting about the Miele FS because I don't seem to smell it at all in wet or dry clothes.
rayjay
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Peter, I did not post a box of Persil. lol
It was someone else.
When I pick up another box, I will post a pic. I do believe it is German.
It was someone else.
When I pick up another box, I will post a pic. I do believe it is German.
Phosphates & the Unilever/Henkel Persil carve-up of the mark
The way phosphate/nitrate regulations work in the UK, the Detergent Industry was set a quota which it must stay under, rather than the complete elimination of phosphates from their products. As a result, a few products do still contain phosphates, but the vast majority don't.
Phosphates seem to have been restricted to the tablet detergents only and only two manufacturers continue to use them : Unilever and McBride (an ownbrand/private label producer).
Unilever products with phosphates:
Surf Tablets
Persil Tablets
ALL other Unilever formats are phosphate free i.e. Powder, Liquids, LiquiTabs (dissolvable pouches).
Unilever's formulation for Persil Tablets in Ireland is different from the UK market as the phosphate regulations are tighter here. Persil tablets marketed here are foil-wrapped and slightly larger than their UK counterparts, in fact, they're the same product as Skip tablets in France, just with a different logo. Otherwise, the marketing and packaging is identical.
I have noticed NO difference in how the two formulas perform. They both provide brilliant results.
As for the Unilever vs. Henkel division of the Persil brand.
Unilever own the rights to the Persil Brand in : The UK, Ireland, France and New Zealand only.
Everywhere else, Persil is a Henkel product.
This agreement dates back to the early 20th century when Henkel sold rights to the Persil brand to Lever Bros Ltd in the markets listed above. That agreement still stands and it's highly unlikely to change as Persil is a MASSIVE brand for Unilever in the UK and Ireland which is effectively its home turf.
Persil in Ireland for example outsells Ariel 3 to 1 ! It's an extremely well established brand.
The Henkel and Unilever Persil products share no R&D or formulation details anymore. They're two completely separate product lines by two totally different companies. However, they are both marketed as TOL detergents in their respective markets and go head-to-head with Ariel, so they're likely perform similarly well.
Persil in France is used to market a 'natural' range of detergents by Unilever. They're a specialist product that contains Savon de Marseilles (traditional soap from the South of France). They smell great though!
The main Unilever TOL brand in France is Skip. This is pretty much identical to Persil in the UK or Ireland (other than that it's also entirely phosphate free). It comes in all the same formats and has very similar marketing.
The way phosphate/nitrate regulations work in the UK, the Detergent Industry was set a quota which it must stay under, rather than the complete elimination of phosphates from their products. As a result, a few products do still contain phosphates, but the vast majority don't.
Phosphates seem to have been restricted to the tablet detergents only and only two manufacturers continue to use them : Unilever and McBride (an ownbrand/private label producer).
Unilever products with phosphates:
Surf Tablets
Persil Tablets
ALL other Unilever formats are phosphate free i.e. Powder, Liquids, LiquiTabs (dissolvable pouches).
Unilever's formulation for Persil Tablets in Ireland is different from the UK market as the phosphate regulations are tighter here. Persil tablets marketed here are foil-wrapped and slightly larger than their UK counterparts, in fact, they're the same product as Skip tablets in France, just with a different logo. Otherwise, the marketing and packaging is identical.
I have noticed NO difference in how the two formulas perform. They both provide brilliant results.
As for the Unilever vs. Henkel division of the Persil brand.
Unilever own the rights to the Persil Brand in : The UK, Ireland, France and New Zealand only.
Everywhere else, Persil is a Henkel product.
This agreement dates back to the early 20th century when Henkel sold rights to the Persil brand to Lever Bros Ltd in the markets listed above. That agreement still stands and it's highly unlikely to change as Persil is a MASSIVE brand for Unilever in the UK and Ireland which is effectively its home turf.
Persil in Ireland for example outsells Ariel 3 to 1 ! It's an extremely well established brand.
The Henkel and Unilever Persil products share no R&D or formulation details anymore. They're two completely separate product lines by two totally different companies. However, they are both marketed as TOL detergents in their respective markets and go head-to-head with Ariel, so they're likely perform similarly well.
Persil in France is used to market a 'natural' range of detergents by Unilever. They're a specialist product that contains Savon de Marseilles (traditional soap from the South of France). They smell great though!
The main Unilever TOL brand in France is Skip. This is pretty much identical to Persil in the UK or Ireland (other than that it's also entirely phosphate free). It comes in all the same formats and has very similar marketing.
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On my Miele 4800 each cycle is different. The Normal cycle will use a bit higher water level for wash and even higher water levels for rinse. Plus the wash action of the HydroMatic system starts off with slow tumbles to get the load wet and then it will go into a fast power tumble then slow down to a stop and do it all over again. The HoneyComb drum does add to the sudsing. Sometimes I even get suds with German Persil..but nothing like I get with Tide 2xHE. The Whites cycle has a lower wash water level and the wash action starts slow and ends with a long fast power tumble. When the washer stops to reverse direction it wastes no time. When the washer stops from fast power tumble there is less than a 1 second delay before it reverses direction. On the Normal and Whites cycle there is a spin after the wash and each rinse. On Sturdy the water level is as high as Normal but it doesnt spin when the washer goes into a drain from the wash cycle. It goes into rinse with a high water level fill. It will spin after that rinse to get into the 2nd rinse. And the final spin speed is at 800 rpms. And Sturdy is meant for jeans and such.
So the cycles on the Larger Miele machines are not much different than the smaller Mieles. Also Miele claims that the drum capacity is a whopping 4.0 cu ft of space. Not so. It does hold more than the smaller Miele machines but the true drum size is 3.0 cu ft. It holds as much laundry as a top load Whirlpool Direct Drive machine. And the Miele dryer my T9800 only has a drum size of 6.36 cu ft. So it may look huge the reality is its not. It can dry 5 pairs of jeans well but push it to dry more and its wrinkle city. It really a non issue since the dryer is very fast in drying a load. I can dry jeans in less than 20 mins. Most loads take less than 25 mins to dry. And the dryer is extremely energy wise and the dryer sensors are the most sensitive I have ever seen on a dryer. Also pulling around 400 cfm's means this dryer means business. The vent hose moves when its on.
So the cycles on the Larger Miele machines are not much different than the smaller Mieles. Also Miele claims that the drum capacity is a whopping 4.0 cu ft of space. Not so. It does hold more than the smaller Miele machines but the true drum size is 3.0 cu ft. It holds as much laundry as a top load Whirlpool Direct Drive machine. And the Miele dryer my T9800 only has a drum size of 6.36 cu ft. So it may look huge the reality is its not. It can dry 5 pairs of jeans well but push it to dry more and its wrinkle city. It really a non issue since the dryer is very fast in drying a load. I can dry jeans in less than 20 mins. Most loads take less than 25 mins to dry. And the dryer is extremely energy wise and the dryer sensors are the most sensitive I have ever seen on a dryer. Also pulling around 400 cfm's means this dryer means business. The vent hose moves when its on.
The Hotpoint/Ariston Aqualtis is EXTREMELY hard to suds-up. I have actually tried various things that ought to cause a massive load of suds, but they don't ! It's really weird.
I put in 4 Ariel Tabs - no cake of foam, just nice clear flowing slightly sudzy water sloshing through the clothes.
I tried overdosing it with Persil Liquigel, possibly the sudziest product on the market here and ... it kept the suds to a minimum !
I assume it must be the design of the drum or something as the agitation is relatively high. It does quite a lot of tumbling and it uses quite reasonable water levels even on normal washes, you'll hear a good sloshing noise and the clothes are certainly getting wet.
The results are pretty excellent too.
Any ideas how it manages to keep the suds low?
I put in 4 Ariel Tabs - no cake of foam, just nice clear flowing slightly sudzy water sloshing through the clothes.
I tried overdosing it with Persil Liquigel, possibly the sudziest product on the market here and ... it kept the suds to a minimum !
I assume it must be the design of the drum or something as the agitation is relatively high. It does quite a lot of tumbling and it uses quite reasonable water levels even on normal washes, you'll hear a good sloshing noise and the clothes are certainly getting wet.
The results are pretty excellent too.
Any ideas how it manages to keep the suds low?
jerrod6
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Nmaineman36...Yes my smaller miele 6K uses different tumbling speeds and methods for different loads too. I understand about the slow tumbling in the wash beginning because mine does this for about 6 minutes, then adds some water and then tumbles faster. Tumbling is different in the second rinse than the first and third, so it basically acts different depending on the cycle and what part of the cycle it is in.
I have the T9820 gas dryer paired with the 6K washer. A LOT of air is moving through these dyers and with their low heat everything comes out feeling very nice.
I have the T9820 gas dryer paired with the 6K washer. A LOT of air is moving through these dyers and with their low heat everything comes out feeling very nice.
rayjay
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Miele 4800
Hi Mike, I saw that you had a Miele 4800 and was going to as you about it today, but you bet me to the punch. It seems that you really like the machine. I think this will be my next machine.
My Lg which is 5 years old broke down. Error Code, then I reset it and it tripped the breaker and then I smelled a burning smell. I have the 10 year service contract with PC Richards. They came last Friday, called me Saturday needing a serial number. The part came in this Tuesday. We had service schedule for thursday, (yesterday),. but the technician was sick. He came this morning. He brought a motor and circuit board. It was the board. He does have to order and come back and replace the sprayer inside the machine. I do get an intermittent leak from underneath, which I will have to watch out for further. All in all the service was great. I think it all depends on the store and the service company.
I am so glad that you explained how the machine ran. I too....have a complaint as to why there is so very little water. But....with your MIele 4800, it seems you get a lot more water in the rinses. This is very important. You can get by with little water for the wash, but it is the rinsing that counts.
Thanks for all the information on the Miele 4800
Now if I can arrange for my LG to break permantely...................lol
Ray
Hi Mike, I saw that you had a Miele 4800 and was going to as you about it today, but you bet me to the punch. It seems that you really like the machine. I think this will be my next machine.
My Lg which is 5 years old broke down. Error Code, then I reset it and it tripped the breaker and then I smelled a burning smell. I have the 10 year service contract with PC Richards. They came last Friday, called me Saturday needing a serial number. The part came in this Tuesday. We had service schedule for thursday, (yesterday),. but the technician was sick. He came this morning. He brought a motor and circuit board. It was the board. He does have to order and come back and replace the sprayer inside the machine. I do get an intermittent leak from underneath, which I will have to watch out for further. All in all the service was great. I think it all depends on the store and the service company.
I am so glad that you explained how the machine ran. I too....have a complaint as to why there is so very little water. But....with your MIele 4800, it seems you get a lot more water in the rinses. This is very important. You can get by with little water for the wash, but it is the rinsing that counts.
Thanks for all the information on the Miele 4800
Now if I can arrange for my LG to break permantely...................lol
Ray
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Hotpoint Aqualtis AQGD169S
Hi Mrx,
I have owned two Aqualtis AQGD169S washers earlier this year and both were very accomplished at whipping up a mass of suds on Cottons 60°C cycles, however these were dealt with during the deep rinses.
Unfortunately both machines had to be returned due to discoloured paintwork.
David
Hi Mrx,
I have owned two Aqualtis AQGD169S washers earlier this year and both were very accomplished at whipping up a mass of suds on Cottons 60°C cycles, however these were dealt with during the deep rinses.
Unfortunately both machines had to be returned due to discoloured paintwork.
David
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I love my Miele washer and dryer. But one drawback with the washer is that if you have pets or you are losing hair it doesnt do a good job removing hair and fur. Often times if I wash the blankets where the cats have slept I usually get a nice mat of fur in the drum. And if you like to hang laundry out to dry it leaves lint behind on the clothes. If you use the dryer its not an issue since the dryer takes care of the problem.
Mike
I was wondering about that very thing when I saw them at Expo last year. I said that isn't going to get dog hair out just like Roberts Harmony didn't either. Since I am a dog lover/owner I wouldn't get one, but can you get the 4800 series in the older tub design?
I was wondering about that very thing when I saw them at Expo last year. I said that isn't going to get dog hair out just like Roberts Harmony didn't either. Since I am a dog lover/owner I wouldn't get one, but can you get the 4800 series in the older tub design?
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Not that I that i know if Jon...I think its what you see is what you get...
Being fair, front loaders, and "HE" toploaders in general aren't the best for removing pet hair or "lint".
My vintage Miele uses lots of water for both washing and and rinsing, and still will be tons of pet hair. In those cases items are bunged into the dryer, even if only on "air fluff".
Top loaders that use tons of water and or are loosely loaded, and also semi-automatics (under the same conditions), are much better suited for removing hair, lint and what have you. The difference between laundering items with pet hair between the Miele and my Hoover twinne is staggering.
If loaded properly, once the Hoover gets going, whipping that laundry around in all that water, pet hair stands no chance. Next because one lifts items out of the mucky water and into the spinner, much of the gunk stays behind. A couple of deep rinses this way (if one can stand it), and things are virtually hair free.
L.
My vintage Miele uses lots of water for both washing and and rinsing, and still will be tons of pet hair. In those cases items are bunged into the dryer, even if only on "air fluff".
Top loaders that use tons of water and or are loosely loaded, and also semi-automatics (under the same conditions), are much better suited for removing hair, lint and what have you. The difference between laundering items with pet hair between the Miele and my Hoover twinne is staggering.
If loaded properly, once the Hoover gets going, whipping that laundry around in all that water, pet hair stands no chance. Next because one lifts items out of the mucky water and into the spinner, much of the gunk stays behind. A couple of deep rinses this way (if one can stand it), and things are virtually hair free.
L.
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Gawd that last post of mine made no sense....sheez I should read it before I post it...what I meant to say was what you see is what you get as far as the drum is concerned. But dont let that stop you from getting one. The dryer is unbelievable in getting lint and hair off.
I run a Dirt Devil Handy over any items that are really badly coated in cat hair before I put them into a washing machine. E.g. the cat's bed!
You really don't want large amounts of pet hair ending up clogging the filter of the washing machine.
Dryers in general will remove hair and fluff from clothes VERY effectively indeed.
You really don't want large amounts of pet hair ending up clogging the filter of the washing machine.
Dryers in general will remove hair and fluff from clothes VERY effectively indeed.
ronhic
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Pet hair
We have 2 Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers.....
....drop free dogs...so no hair issues at all...
mmmmm....I wonder if you can trade in your pets for similar?
We have 2 Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers.....
....drop free dogs...so no hair issues at all...
mmmmm....I wonder if you can trade in your pets for similar?
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