persil

[jerrod6]

I bought my front loader in 2002 and then there were no USA detergents that worked well and were low enough in suds in a front loader. So I think Miele was walking to the bank with PERSIL. I mean the stuff actually cleaned and rinsed well - you could see it in the first rinse so anyone that had a Miele front loader or Bosch or other brands in 2002-2003 would have wanted to use PERSIL.

When He detergent hit the USA market every time a new one was released I would try it, but they never worked as well as PERSIL did.

Now we have Tide Tubo that is supposed to be this blazing new thing that is low sudsing. Low sudsing and good cleaning, good rinsing, is nothing new to anyone that has used PERSIL, even since 2002.

Not too interested in the Duo caps/pods. I would prefer to control the dosage for each of my laundry loads. Completely different story with the DW because all of my loads in it have been sitting for 2 days and are dirty so I don't mind a full dose of a tab in it.

Miele Detergents are still the other alternative to PERSIL because they clean and rinse well...of course at the moment the USA PERSIL from Walmart is much cheaper than Miele detergents so it will be interesting to see how the market shakes out during this year.

 

[dustin92]

Well, I just picked up a bottle of the Power Pearls, and will give them a try when I get enough dirty whites to run a load. So far I love the liquid, it does a fantastic job on everything, even whites. Mostly in cool or warm water. I washed a coat today that had mud and car engine oil on it, washed in Hot water with a regular dose of the liquid and 1/2 dose of Biz (color safe bleach/stain remover), 14 minute wash on heavy duty, EVERY trace of oil came out. I have noticed quite a bit of suds for a High Efficiency detergent, but I'm not complaining! Can't believe I'm spending so much on detergent but SO worth it!

 

[launderess]

Persil's Duo-Caps reviews including the German consumer magazine test can be easily found by "Googling" using those keywords. The latter come up within the first page of hits for us. Unless things have changed the things have always been made in Hungary. http://www.henkel-cee.com/2013-8102...the-world-from-koeroesladny-8221_CEE_HTML.htm

Long short the things were rated "poor" by a consumer testing: http://translate.google.com/transla...t-21-vollwaschmittel-im-test.html&prev=search

However many actual consumers have no problems with the Duo-Caps

The Dial Company/Persil and Walmart:

This probably is going to be a long term exclusive relationship for awhile. You don't get much larger than Wally World when it comes to a global reach supermarket/shop so that is in their favor. Being as that may as one has previously stated Walmart stores aren't everywhere. Can drive to NJ or someplace but then you are adding tolls and cost of petrol just to fetch detergent. If one happens to be going that way would be a different story. But cannot see anyone from say Manhattan driving to Bayonne or Secaucus for a ten dollar bottle of detergent. Suppose if the household did lots of laundry and were buying by the case or at least several bottles.

 

[dixan]

Despite the tests, Persil Duo-Caps are great. I like them but I don't buy them because they are expensive and generally I don't like liquids, gels and capsules/pods.

Speaking of caps, two weeks ago Henkel launched new product here (in Eastern Europe): Persil Power Mix Caps. One chamber contains gel and the other - powder. The ones for whites contain 15-30% oxygen bleach.

 

[cranraspberry]

I'm sure Manhattanites and those that don't have a Walmart nearby will be able to order online: it's just $5 to ship and free when you spend over $50. Still so much cheaper than paying $40 for a pack of German Persil, that is if we assume that the formulas really are identical.

 

[launderess]

Far as one can see Persil is strictly an in store item for now. That is did not see it at Walmart.com.

Also since Walmart does have stores in New York State there would be tax added on top of the shipping.

Being all that as it may if the stuff does turn up at Wally World's online store then suppose ordering five or whatever bottles it takes to reach $50 wouldn't be that bad.

Those that live in Manhattan who have country homes in New Jersey, or elsewhere also could simply stop in their local Walmart.

 

[lordkenmore]

Perhaps Wal-Mart will open a new store in NYC. Perhaps on Fifth Avenue. LOL

Seriously, I do see that while Wal-Mart has stores all across the US, there will be those gaps in coverage, which may reduce potential Persil sales.

And even in an area like mine, where Wal-Mart has locations, I can see some people deciding it's more of a drive than they want to get to the nearest location. Particularly if Persil is the only thing they'd buy at Wal-Mart. Stocking up is an option, of course, but most people I've known don't do that past buying the next jug of detergent when the old one starts approaching empty.

 

[frigilux]

1. Having used both German and UK (Unilever) Persil powders, I prefer the Unilever version hands down. That dampens my excitement about whatever non-Unilever formula is being sold here.

2. I refuse to pronounce it PerSIL (as in the videos Laundress posted). Is this a concession to Americans' tendency to put accents on second syllables of words? This happened to composer Henry Purcell in the US, too. His name is pronounced the same way the Brits say Persil, not PurSELL.

3. Lots of great dialogue, information and speculation in this very entertaining thread!

 

[jerrod6]

Power Mix Caps

in the USA. If this one product could be purchased cheaper than buying Liquid Tide along with Tide Boost pacs thing might get interesting.

 

[jerrod6]

I worked with a German woman who also uses Persil and she would always pronounce it the way it was given in the vids, so I guess I didn't think twice about hearing it. She returns every summer to visit her family and go on cycling vacations I think thru the black forest or someplace like this, so she is native and speaks the language. When she was angry at her husband she would talk on the phone in German. I didn't know what she was saying but I did know she was not happy.

 

[logixx]

Pronunciation

Actually, every syllable in the German language is stressed, which makes it Per-Sil, A-Ri-El and Ver-Nel.

 

I like these Persil Power Mix Caps. I guess these are Henkel's answer to Unilever's Dual Action Capsules, which I wish were sold here as well - along with those cute and practical Small & Mighty bottles with that build-in dosage ball / pretreat thingy.

 

[dixan]

I like them too, logixx. They wash great: remove all the stains, the whites shine and the colors are bright. However, they are too expensive so I don't think I'll buy more of them. I bought them on offer for 3.58 euro (from DM, you know this drugstore chain) and the regular price is 5-6 euro for 14 washes. Well, I buy Persil powder at this price but the washes are 20. 26 cent per wash versus 18 cents per wash: the winner is clear.

 

[jerrod6]

Est

Dosing. After I get used to a detergent and experiment I will usually ignore the instructions on the bottle and use as much as I think is required, based on load size and degree of soiling.

Here most of our instructions talk about line 1 line 2 or use more.

The instructions on the German Persil box gives dosing based on water hardness and degree of soiling so I find that a better guide than "fill to line one for regular loads" What is regular?

Anyway experiment with it and use only enough to clean your items. To me If I don't see stains I use less.

 

[launderess]

Persil Power Mix

Along with Tide "Boost" and similar detergent/bleach/stain removal pods get to me. IMHO they are admitting what many consumer testing groups and others have said for years now; liquid detergents do not clean universally as well compared to powders. This is especially true of powdered detergents with oxygen (often activated) bleaching systems.

So you purchase liquid Tide or whatever, then have to get a pod that contains the alkaline substance, bleach and other stain removers you could have gotten if just purchased a box of Tide with bleach from the start.

Walmart in NYC?

Not going to happen anytime soon I shouldn't wonder. The powers that be who run this place have a thing against Wally World. Even a planned Walmart store has drawn protests. Everything from destroying small businesses to low wages and so forth. Meanwhile back at the ranch small businesses such as hardware and others are vanishing in NYC at a brisk pace anyway. Ever rising commercial rents combined with Home Depot, Lowes, Duane Reade and so forth are forcing them out.

Eventually a Walmart will open in NYC somewhere; after all the same powers that be fought Chick-A-Fil but apparently they are expanding here soon anyway.

 

[nmassman44]

Well I did laundry today and used the PowerCaps on a load. They clean OK and the scent is ok but thats about it. Would I buy them again?..No.

 

[mysteryclock]

Seen in Tennessee today. They're trying to get people's attention at least! No caps yet.

 

[logixx]

They are almost hiding the powdered version... *rolls eyes*

 

[gefilterflo]

The Persil.US website is up and running. In addition, my local WalMart now has the entire line of detergents out; I picked up some Persil Plus ProLift. They also had a hypoallergenic Persil as well.

 

[jerrod6]

Walmart was not welcomed where I live either but it survived. It is non-union, and the unions put up pick lines. They walked around for years outside while people went about their business ignoring them while continuing to shop at the store.

I shop there once in a while when I want Suavitel Island splash, or Sunset Rose fabric softeners because I like these scents, especially the Sunset Rose.

I can see the draw of this store. They sell a ton of frozen food entries at lower prices. They sell canned soup cheaper than I have ever seen it. They have a wide variety of beef, chicken and pork in the meat section, a ton of processed cheese foods, milk & eggs, a large bakery, large rolls of paper towels and cleaning supplies reasonability priced, a pharmacy, clothes that would be good for younger children and, a decent fresh vegetable and fruit section located right at the front door, and reasonable prices and a McDonalds or.. something inside the store. So I get it. Our transit system has been modified so that almost every area of the city can get to it by bus, plus it is in the same shopping mall as other grocery markets, Home Depot and a ton of other stores, so I can see why folks would flock to shop here.

I think I read that walmart is raising their starting associate hourly wage to a minimum of $9 an hour, and by next year current associates to $10 per hour. Managers will be bumped to $15 by next year. This is probably a result of the improving economic conditions and hiring. You can't keep good people if you don't pay well and when more jobs become available wages tend to increase.

This is completely off topic of Persil but I will shop there to buy it and I also understand why many people want to shop there.

 

[jerrod6]

GeFilterFlo

Can you give us the Web URL to the Persil site. I still can't find it.

 

[lordkenmore]

Can you give us the Web URL to the Persil site.

Try:

http://www.persilproclean.com/en.html

 

[gefilterflo]

I can; it is http://www.persil.us

http://www.persilproclean.com/en.html

 

[dixan]

I checked the site - there are ingredients lists there - and obviously the Power-Pearls do contain oxygen bleach and activator (TAED). Quite a lot of both: sodium carbonate peroxide is the second ingredient, TAED is the fourth. Great! In fact they are the same as the European Megaperls. Lucky you! Megaperls is superb detergent.

 

[jerrod6]

THANKS

 

[launderess]

Website Just Came Online

It seems as one clicked it on Saturday morning and it was still "under construction".

Sort of bare to my mind's eye when compared to Persil/Henkel Germany or other European countries, but again that could be just me.

Love the response to query if this is the same Persil from Germany:

"Persil Power-Pearls are made by the same company that makes Persil in Germany and many European countries. Persil ProClean Power-Pearls deliver the exceptional cleaning experience that Persil consumers across Europe have come to know and love."

Near as one can guess:

Pro-Lift - Could be Henkel's version of "Acti-Lift" found in P&G's laundry detergents like Ariel and Tide.

Intense Fresh - Probably a scent with more staying power and or is renewed each time one rubs against it. IIRC Henkel offers some fabric softeners and or detergents with those properties.

At least some of products now list ingredients.

For the Power Fresh liquid: http://www.persilproclean.com/en/products/power-liquid/intense-fresh.html

Note Henke/Dial put together their webpage is seems using images, so you cannot cut and paste information elsewhere. However each product page has an ingredient listing towards the bottom.

The Power Perls indeed do contain oxygen bleach and an activator.

 

[washingpowder]

Ingredients

The website shows all ingredients used; to be quite honest, they're almost identical to my recent favorite, Ecover Sunny Day Liquid. Unfortunately the latter I first saw at TJ Maxx after it was already discontinued.
Back to Persil though, the german Universal version contains:

5 %: soap, Phosphates, 5-15%: non-ionic surfactants, 15-30%: ionic surfactants
Also: optical brighteners, enzymes, and a full essay of fragrance additives (Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Amyl cinnamal, Benzyl salicylate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Eugenol, Hexyl cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Geraniol

Since the website won't let me copy the ingredients being an image, I'll just say the american formula adds propylene glycol, EDTA, borax, alcohol, some silicones, pH buffer and blue dyes, while subtracting OBAs and phosphates. Fragrance is listed as fragrance, nobody knows what is actually used. Germans don't list actual surfactants, so hard to compare too.
However, it clearly is not the same formula by any means.

 

[jerrod6]

Disodium Distyrylbipheryl disulfonate - UV attractor? also in liquid.

If that is what it is I am not surprised. In order to compete in the USA these had better be in the product or it will be downrated by Consumer reports as not producing bright colors.

 

[launderess]

I'm Out

If the liquid contains OBAs then will stick with the German/Henkel version for all its faults.

Reason why one went to Persil gel for colours in the first place was to get away from OBAs for certain off white and coloured items. P&G in the USA seems incapable of producing a detergent free of bluing agents so there you are.

Disodium Distyrylbipheryl disulfonate is found in some version of Tide, Purex and other products as well:

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=3445

 

[washingpowder]

Must have scanned through the list too fast, and read 'sulfate' rather than 'sulfonate'.
Well, as long as I understand why German Universal gel might contain OBAs [they do have formulas for colors and darks separately, Lord! Moreover, my favorite Domol brand makes formulations for darks(enzymes and dye protecting agent), colors(enzymes only) and bright colors(enzymes and OBAs)], it's ridiculous that they're trying to put out another all-in-one-fancy-bottle detergent on shelves.
Was happy for a second and even willing to maybe get a sample from a friend.
Wish there was something, anything with enzymes but no OBAs available on American market.

 

[logixx]

INGREDIENTS

I skimmed the ingredients list of the ProClean gels and compared them to the German gels.

 

The ProClean gels seem to be an equivalent to the Persil Universal gel:

- optical brighteners

- no color transfer protection

- on less enzyme (lyase)

 

Likewise, the ProClean Power-Pearls lack lyase.

 

So the FAQ section on Persil's US page is right: it's made in the same factory... but with a slightly different formulation.