jerrod6
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Can you give us the Web URL to the Persil site. I still can't find it.
Can you give us the Web URL to the Persil site. I still can't find it.
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lordkenmore
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gefilterflo
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I can; it is http://www.persil.us
www.persilproclean.com
Homepage
Discover premium liquid laundry detergents and laundry Ultra Pacs™ that help keep your clothes looking newer, longer. Wash with Persil®.
I checked the site - there are ingredients lists there - and obviously the Power-Pearls do contain oxygen bleach and activator (TAED). Quite a lot of both: sodium carbonate peroxide is the second ingredient, TAED is the fourth. Great! In fact they are the same as the European Megaperls. Lucky you! Megaperls is superb detergent.
jerrod6
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THANKS
Website Just Came Online
It seems as one clicked it on Saturday morning and it was still "under construction".
Sort of bare to my mind's eye when compared to Persil/Henkel Germany or other European countries, but again that could be just me.
Love the response to query if this is the same Persil from Germany:
"Persil Power-Pearls are made by the same company that makes Persil in Germany and many European countries. Persil ProClean Power-Pearls deliver the exceptional cleaning experience that Persil consumers across Europe have come to know and love."
Near as one can guess:
Pro-Lift - Could be Henkel's version of "Acti-Lift" found in P&G's laundry detergents like Ariel and Tide.
Intense Fresh - Probably a scent with more staying power and or is renewed each time one rubs against it. IIRC Henkel offers some fabric softeners and or detergents with those properties.
At least some of products now list ingredients.
For the Power Fresh liquid: http://www.persilproclean.com/en/products/power-liquid/intense-fresh.html
Note Henke/Dial put together their webpage is seems using images, so you cannot cut and paste information elsewhere. However each product page has an ingredient listing towards the bottom.
The Power Perls indeed do contain oxygen bleach and an activator.
It seems as one clicked it on Saturday morning and it was still "under construction".
Sort of bare to my mind's eye when compared to Persil/Henkel Germany or other European countries, but again that could be just me.
Love the response to query if this is the same Persil from Germany:
"Persil Power-Pearls are made by the same company that makes Persil in Germany and many European countries. Persil ProClean Power-Pearls deliver the exceptional cleaning experience that Persil consumers across Europe have come to know and love."
Near as one can guess:
Pro-Lift - Could be Henkel's version of "Acti-Lift" found in P&G's laundry detergents like Ariel and Tide.
Intense Fresh - Probably a scent with more staying power and or is renewed each time one rubs against it. IIRC Henkel offers some fabric softeners and or detergents with those properties.
At least some of products now list ingredients.
For the Power Fresh liquid: http://www.persilproclean.com/en/products/power-liquid/intense-fresh.html
Note Henke/Dial put together their webpage is seems using images, so you cannot cut and paste information elsewhere. However each product page has an ingredient listing towards the bottom.
The Power Perls indeed do contain oxygen bleach and an activator.
washingpowder
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Ingredients
The website shows all ingredients used; to be quite honest, they're almost identical to my recent favorite, Ecover Sunny Day Liquid. Unfortunately the latter I first saw at TJ Maxx after it was already discontinued.
Back to Persil though, the german Universal version contains:
5 %: soap, Phosphates, 5-15%: non-ionic surfactants, 15-30%: ionic surfactants
Also: optical brighteners, enzymes, and a full essay of fragrance additives (Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Amyl cinnamal, Benzyl salicylate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Eugenol, Hexyl cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Geraniol
Since the website won't let me copy the ingredients being an image, I'll just say the american formula adds propylene glycol, EDTA, borax, alcohol, some silicones, pH buffer and blue dyes, while subtracting OBAs and phosphates. Fragrance is listed as fragrance, nobody knows what is actually used. Germans don't list actual surfactants, so hard to compare too.
However, it clearly is not the same formula by any means.
The website shows all ingredients used; to be quite honest, they're almost identical to my recent favorite, Ecover Sunny Day Liquid. Unfortunately the latter I first saw at TJ Maxx after it was already discontinued.
Back to Persil though, the german Universal version contains:
5 %: soap, Phosphates, 5-15%: non-ionic surfactants, 15-30%: ionic surfactants
Also: optical brighteners, enzymes, and a full essay of fragrance additives (Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Amyl cinnamal, Benzyl salicylate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Eugenol, Hexyl cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool, Geraniol
Since the website won't let me copy the ingredients being an image, I'll just say the american formula adds propylene glycol, EDTA, borax, alcohol, some silicones, pH buffer and blue dyes, while subtracting OBAs and phosphates. Fragrance is listed as fragrance, nobody knows what is actually used. Germans don't list actual surfactants, so hard to compare too.
However, it clearly is not the same formula by any means.
jerrod6
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Disodium Distyrylbipheryl disulfonate - UV attractor? also in liquid.
If that is what it is I am not surprised. In order to compete in the USA these had better be in the product or it will be downrated by Consumer reports as not producing bright colors.
If that is what it is I am not surprised. In order to compete in the USA these had better be in the product or it will be downrated by Consumer reports as not producing bright colors.
I'm Out
If the liquid contains OBAs then will stick with the German/Henkel version for all its faults.
Reason why one went to Persil gel for colours in the first place was to get away from OBAs for certain off white and coloured items. P&G in the USA seems incapable of producing a detergent free of bluing agents so there you are.
Disodium Distyrylbipheryl disulfonate is found in some version of Tide, Purex and other products as well:
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=3445
If the liquid contains OBAs then will stick with the German/Henkel version for all its faults.
Reason why one went to Persil gel for colours in the first place was to get away from OBAs for certain off white and coloured items. P&G in the USA seems incapable of producing a detergent free of bluing agents so there you are.
Disodium Distyrylbipheryl disulfonate is found in some version of Tide, Purex and other products as well:
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=3445
washingpowder
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Must have scanned through the list too fast, and read 'sulfate' rather than 'sulfonate'.
Well, as long as I understand why German Universal gel might contain OBAs [they do have formulas for colors and darks separately, Lord! Moreover, my favorite Domol brand makes formulations for darks(enzymes and dye protecting agent), colors(enzymes only) and bright colors(enzymes and OBAs)], it's ridiculous that they're trying to put out another all-in-one-fancy-bottle detergent on shelves.
Was happy for a second and even willing to maybe get a sample from a friend.
Wish there was something, anything with enzymes but no OBAs available on American market.
Well, as long as I understand why German Universal gel might contain OBAs [they do have formulas for colors and darks separately, Lord! Moreover, my favorite Domol brand makes formulations for darks(enzymes and dye protecting agent), colors(enzymes only) and bright colors(enzymes and OBAs)], it's ridiculous that they're trying to put out another all-in-one-fancy-bottle detergent on shelves.
Was happy for a second and even willing to maybe get a sample from a friend.
Wish there was something, anything with enzymes but no OBAs available on American market.
INGREDIENTS
I skimmed the ingredients list of the ProClean gels and compared them to the German gels.
The ProClean gels seem to be an equivalent to the Persil Universal gel:
- optical brighteners
- no color transfer protection
- on less enzyme (lyase)
Likewise, the ProClean Power-Pearls lack lyase.
So the FAQ section on Persil's US page is right: it's made in the same factory... but with a slightly different formulation.
I skimmed the ingredients list of the ProClean gels and compared them to the German gels.
The ProClean gels seem to be an equivalent to the Persil Universal gel:
- optical brighteners
- no color transfer protection
- on less enzyme (lyase)
Likewise, the ProClean Power-Pearls lack lyase.
So the FAQ section on Persil's US page is right: it's made in the same factory... but with a slightly different formulation.
Reading These Listings Of Chemicals
Found in laundry detergents one begins to understand the "back to soap" movement. *LOL*
It is amazing the laundry list of substances needed to replace phosphates and soap.
Found in laundry detergents one begins to understand the "back to soap" movement. *LOL*
It is amazing the laundry list of substances needed to replace phosphates and soap.
jerrod6
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Miele for colors...
No Obas and works well.
Henkel is following the established laundry practice found in the USA. Obas are not used on colors or darks in Germany so they are not found in Persil for colors there. You can find Obas in persil products sold elsewhere.
So since this is now being distributed via Henkel/Dial what is the chance that supplies of the original German product will soon not be available in North America? Seems like vendors are simply exhausting their current inventory of it.
I don't care for Obas on colors,but for the majority of USA consumers I bet they probably prefer to have them on everything. It is our normal. I mean they are in Tide and it is a number one.
No Obas and works well.
Henkel is following the established laundry practice found in the USA. Obas are not used on colors or darks in Germany so they are not found in Persil for colors there. You can find Obas in persil products sold elsewhere.
So since this is now being distributed via Henkel/Dial what is the chance that supplies of the original German product will soon not be available in North America? Seems like vendors are simply exhausting their current inventory of it.
I don't care for Obas on colors,but for the majority of USA consumers I bet they probably prefer to have them on everything. It is our normal. I mean they are in Tide and it is a number one.
esty
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Looking for reviews on the Persil for sensitive skin. I currently use a different scent free detergent on some loads for those family members that have sensitive skin issues. Can anyone out there recommend it for sensitive skin? Anyone use it with good results? How is the cleaning power as well as good for sensitive skin? How much scent is left after the dryer?
Thank you.
Thank you.
While I can very well understand the disappointment about the lack of color versions in the US I wouldn`t worry too much about OBAs as found in the liquid versions of Persil when used on darks. Their negative effect (color change) is much more pronouced on off whites and pastels.
When Henkel invented the first heavy duty color detergent in 1991 the new and revolutionary thing about it were dye transfer inhibitors. Light duty powders intended for delicates (Fewa, Korall, Rei which equals UK Dreft) have already been around for ages.
They were OBA and bleach free, less caustic in Ph and made lots of suds to reduce mechanical wear of fabrics. They did not clean as well as regular powders hence were often only used for the most delicate things but not for the bulk of colored clothes.
As for the megaperls I think if one takes those very fast american wash cycles and low temperatures into account the damage to colors should be negligible in particular if only used occasionally for the more challenging loads.
We have done so for decades over here as well and the world did not come down ;-)
When Henkel invented the first heavy duty color detergent in 1991 the new and revolutionary thing about it were dye transfer inhibitors. Light duty powders intended for delicates (Fewa, Korall, Rei which equals UK Dreft) have already been around for ages.
They were OBA and bleach free, less caustic in Ph and made lots of suds to reduce mechanical wear of fabrics. They did not clean as well as regular powders hence were often only used for the most delicate things but not for the bulk of colored clothes.
As for the megaperls I think if one takes those very fast american wash cycles and low temperatures into account the damage to colors should be negligible in particular if only used occasionally for the more challenging loads.
We have done so for decades over here as well and the world did not come down ;-)
Persil pods, liquid, and pearls-in-a-bottle found at Walmart in southwestern Minnesota. End cap display was running either a video or just audio touting the high-performance detergent which they insist on pronouncing incorrectly. Was in a hurry and didn't stop to listen to the whole spiel. Didn't buy any, as I'm still in the honeymoon phase with Tide HE Turbo pods.
@ Stefan
When I use(d) Tide or Gain HE liquid on my dark clothes, I can tell that there are brighteners in there. After a few washes, some of my clothes looked like I had used them to dust off furniture.
When I use(d) Tide or Gain HE liquid on my dark clothes, I can tell that there are brighteners in there. After a few washes, some of my clothes looked like I had used them to dust off furniture.
mich
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@washingpowder
I could be very well wrong here, but, if I recall correctly. Henkel Germany does not utilize Phosphates in their home marketed Laundry Products.
You may have, misread Phosphonates for Phosphates, (which have very similar names) but are very chemically different.
I myself, haven't yet taken the time, to compare ingredient for ingredient between the two bottles, as I haven't received the MSDS, I requested from Henkel.
With that said. I haven't personally, myself, noticed a difference between the PowerPearls & German Megapearls, beyond the difference in bead coloring.
I could be very well wrong here, but, if I recall correctly. Henkel Germany does not utilize Phosphates in their home marketed Laundry Products.
You may have, misread Phosphonates for Phosphates, (which have very similar names) but are very chemically different.
I myself, haven't yet taken the time, to compare ingredient for ingredient between the two bottles, as I haven't received the MSDS, I requested from Henkel.
With that said. I haven't personally, myself, noticed a difference between the PowerPearls & German Megapearls, beyond the difference in bead coloring.
Phosphates have not been used in our laundry detergents in decades. Henkel actually invented a substitute for phosphates in 1972.
Once again
the ingredients in German Persil
the ingredients in German Persil
