please help me guys

[monkeyward40]

i have a gibson washer model no#gws833cs0 its a frigidaire made washer with indexing tub, and it is not filling the tub upto the second row of holes, how do i go about changing the water level on the machine? please help Kelly in lima, ohio.

 

[frigilux]

If your machine is new (like my '06 Frigidaire), the machine actually fills to the third row down from the top, which is SO stupid because it decreases the washer's capacity. I opened the console to find a pressure dome which can't be adjusted.

My water control is one of those 'infinitely variable' ones, so I rigged up a rubber band and a picture-hanging hook to hold the control a bit into the 'reset' setting. It now fills to the very top of the tub.

If you have a 'click-to-select' control, hold it halfway between two of the settings and it should fill until you let go of the switch. Unfortunately, you have to return when the washer hits the rinse cycle and do it again. Or you just have to learn to fill the tub only to the third row of holes down from the top.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Between this half-filling silliness and this automatic-temperature control nonsense, I'm getting very annoyed by the state of affairs with the leftover top-loaders....is this the sort of nonsense we are to remember our top-loaders with?

I have NEVER heard of a more ass-backwards way of trying to adapt everyday household equipment to necessary conservation stringencies as this....and I do not blame the politicians, I blame the multinationals for these little "shortcuts".

 

[tolivac]

I think this idea of the water stingy washers is stupid--the USER should be able to control how or as much water as he needs for the job at hand.AGAIN-THROW OUT THESE SILLY ENERGY STANDARDS!

 

[oxydolfan1]

No, that's crazy....they've been enacted for valid reasons.

We've lagged far behind the rest of the world long enough.

My first solution would be to lower the prices of the energy-efficient models, and make the energy hogs the expensive choice (of course, they will fill properly, with hot water as needed...)

 

[agiflow]

Lagged behind in what? You can have your FL washers that uses an eye dropper of water...and that's all well and good, but if i want a full tub of HOT water, than i should be able to have it.

This a totally personal choice that the government and any tree huggers should have no say in whatsoever.

If we were in a world wide severe drought,...how much water a washer uses would be the last thing anyone would be worried about, i would think.

 

[volvoguy87]

Energy to clean, not just to run the cycle.

I am in favor of energy guidelines, but I think the system we have now is measuring the wrong aspects. Rather than measure the energy required per cycle, I think the energy measured should be the amount of energy required to get X amount of laundry from an established level of dirtyness to an established level of cleanliness. A big washer that only partially fills with water, has a wimpy agitator, and a minimal spin cycle speed will use very little energy as it runs its cycle, but it also won't clean laundry very well. I think it's ok to use lots of energy, provided that it is the best way to accomplish a task. The high-efficiency solutions we are faced with often just don't work very well.

Dave

 

[tolivac]

If its water savings the "theys" are worried about-the amount of water used by clothes washers and dishwashers-collectively-is NOTHING compared to the "external" uses of water-watering lawns and gardens(this can also contribute to runoff pollution from the fertilizers)washing cars and filling backyard ponds and swmiing pools.Heck a small pool or pond can hold almost 10 full TL washer fulls of water!Even though this water is not heated-but its CONSUMED faster than your washer or dishwasher-and I feel get the Gov't out of this.Its insane.What water you use is really up to YOU.If you want to fill that pool or pond-thats up to you and its your water bill not mine.And I still feel people shouild have choices available to them on cleaning appliances.not just FL washers and water stingy dishwashers that piddle water on dishes and whose cycles take FOREVER.I feel this is so much nonsense and has to be stopped.I wished the Republicans killed these issues.We really don't need them.People can choose for themselves.

 

[oxydolfan1]

The Australians (who are transitioning over from top-loading laundry culture) seem to be handling the challenge all right!

I'd rather improve on our conservation deficiencies now, rather than wait until it becomes a crisis issue and we have no choices...

If you deregulate and leave it up to the multinationals, absolutely no progress will ever be made. The multinationals have no allegiance to country or citizens whatsoever, and report to the shareholders, whose objective is to maximize profit and have no interest in what happens to us, or the Earth's resources at all.

I am not a "treehugger"....but a rational, middle ground between both extremes does exist. We simply have to start looking for it, that's all.

 

[monkeywards40]

hi guys

thanks frigilux i opened the back of the control panel on my gibson which like yours fills only to the thrid row of holes and mine also is not changeable and i don't have the infinitely variable just low medium and full, so i guess i will have to do what a friend suggested. he said to hook up two Y adapters to the hot and cold and two hoses with garden sprayers nozzles and if it doesnt fill up enough, then you can turn the switches over to the hoses and fill it up as full as you want. so i think this payday i will do that. thanks again

 

[danemodsandy]

Governments never get it right when they try to meddle, do they? Oxy's right- if FL's are to be our future, then there should be some sort of gummint mandate to make TL's more expensive, not a standard that makes everything wash poorly. No one seems to have learnt a lesson from the water-saving regs on toilets: Yes, they flush on a gallon and a half. But they flush so poorly that they're commonly flushed two or three times to get rid of everything, completely negating the supposed water savings. I can see people double-washing clothes or bypassing these new temp controls just so they can have clean skivvies to wear. Or, as with toilets, vintage units made before all the nonsense may become very valuable and popular. There are a lot of new houses built where the cheapest possible water-saving toilets are put in to meet code, and the instant the inspector leaves, are replaced with rebuilt vintage units that actually flush. And those vintage units cost a pretty penny, due to demand.

This misguided decision on wsahers is as bad as that new New York City ban on trans fats, which has been touted as being a huge step forward for public health. If those bozos REALLY cared about public health, they'd be working on universal health care coverage, not outlawing Crisco. They just want to exercise their two-for-a-nickel power, not actually help anyone.

There is nothing stupider than a politician. Of any party, in any country, under any political system, in any era of history.

 

[rp2813]

My 9 year old Amana washer filled to the top when it was new but quickly changed and has ever since stopped filling at about the 2nd row of holes. So now I do like Eugene/frigilux does if I have a full load of towels or whatever and I hold the infinite level control over to re-set until the water reaches the rim of the tub. If I'm really observant I can see the agitator's fabric softener dispenser being raised by the water level and then I know it's filled as high as is safe.

This is another reason I want a front loader next. There is no water level issue or concern that some items may not be moved thoroughly through the wash water. I'm looking forward to the "set it and forget it" luxury of a front loader instead of having to monitor the fill levels as I'm doing now.

Regarding water conservation, we've had a few droughts out here in California during my lifetime and have had rationing situations. While I'd let my lawn go brown and save wherever I could, I always felt guilty and apprehensive about filling up a top loader with so much water, especially when we were getting penalized for excessive consumption. I think a front loader is the responsible machine to own in my area.

 

[vintagesearch]

wow this one got a little political,

I agree the governmemts efforts to help our energy cosumption reform ideas are kind of overdone. In all reality when i think of it FL and HE TL that fill half way its more like we are wiping our clothes with water and detergent hows that clean? Of course it would save hundreds even thousands of dollars but to sacrifice cleaning nono not me i will gladly set my washer to super fill it as needed let the air conditioner and fan run if i want why not dont we all work hard enough to pay and enjoy this!

 

[oxydolfan1]

Political?

Not by me, it didn't.

Vintage, the issue is not so much a political hot-button (and shouldn't be) but is one of common sense.

If the government WOULDN'T respond to changing climactic conditions, wouldn't it then be their fault when "staying the course" would prove disasterous, or impossibly expensive?

We are now the only continent on Earth who uses outdated, centuries-old technology to wash our clothes. Every other nation manages to take their wash, every week, to their washing machine and wash their clothes-cleanly-every single week.

If we are the ones who are operating ass-backwards, and our new toploading machines are garbage anyway, wouldn't you think it would fall on US to develop cutting-edge technologies that suit our needs best? Or will we just throw our money and jobs at Germany, China, Korea, even Australia, because THEY now whip our asses at practicality and we wouldn't get a clue when we had a choice?

We've whined about Japanese cars...but didn't they have it all figured out before we did? Or, more accurately, don't we always have it figured out, and then let OIL corporations suppress modernity for THEIR reward (and our eventual downfall)?

Put politics aside (both sides are useless anyway)....If you use one-quarter of the liquid detergent in a modern washer than you would in an old-school one, and petroleum products and chemicals are needed to produce laundry detergent, isn't it possible that petroleum and chemical companies, that have loyalty to no nation and no customer, will do what they have to to manipulate people into believing that modern machines don't work as well?

Vintage, no one is suggesting that anyone be locked away from their front-loaders....indeed, God forbid.

But the modern technology should be made available to all at an affordable price. Those machines should be reasonably reliable.

And the old-school top loaders should be available, free of lowered water levels, automatic temperature controls, and all other such nonsense.

At a premium price.

 

[alr2903]

Frigilux is right

Very pleased with my frigidaire T/L. It does fill to the row of holes Frig mentioned. After sorting into our usual weekly washloads that would of washed on 3/4 tub in our old amana, requires the extra large setting in the Frigidaire. on King size sheet day I sometimes hold over to "reset" to get a little extra water. Frigilux is yours set up like ours the Super last spin then shift into second rinse followed by a shorter spin? Seems goofy but then it was $260. and I got it the day i really needed it. A little quirky but i can wash without wet feet..grrr the leaky amana-----that worked so well for seven years.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I tell you, people HATED their Amanas when they got rid of them around here! And none of our trusty bulk-day "SCAVENGERS" that come around in trucks to salvage would even go near them.

So, if the Maytag Legacy was built in the same plant and (my technician friend tells me) still uses the same sealer, will they not, two years from now....?

It's almost as if Maytag committed SUICIDE....

 

[alr2903]

Sorry monkey its your thread

to answer your question, lost my train of thought LOL, that lower fill level seems to be the nature of the new ones. Is yours new then thats prolly the way it is, if its a few years old is it LEVEL? alr2903

 

[monkeywards40]

hi alr2903

it is a 2004, and like the booklet says to lift it forward and then reset it down until the back re-leveling legs kick in, i have done that 2 times and even checked it out with a level the machine is exactly level. Until payday i have been taking a 5 gallon bucket and filling it to the top of the tub, and until i get the hoses and two Y adapters i will have to continue filiing the bucket. Because it says Supreme capacity on the front of the washer and to me that is not supreme capacity. It makes the tub only seem half full.
kelly

 

[rolltideroll]

The EPA now makes washing machine transmissions contain no more than 3 ounces of oil. Go figure.