Positive news about gay marriage

[andrewinorlando]

Well gee, Steve, I didn't call you any such thing. I referred to those who see fit to deprive gay people of the most basic of human rights as marriage because "the bible says so". Gimme a break. If you took that personally, then my apologies to you.

 

[gyrafoam]

O.k., then apologies to you as well,

looking back do you not see where I would get that from? After all, it was my "comments" that followed the "article".

 

[andrewinorlando]

Steve -

I re-read my post and what I meant in it were the comments that follow the article that Keven posted from the newspaper...if you take the time to read them, you'll understand what I mean. I was not referring to anything anyone here wrote in this forum.

 

[andrewinorlando]

Steve -

Yes, I absolutely do know what you mean. Again, I certainly would never say anything like that to or about anyone here based just on their opinion. Never. And I don't think anyone else would either. Again, my apologies for not writing more clearly what I meant. Didn't mean to upset you so much and cause an argument in the forum!!!

Peace.

 

[gyrafoam]

"disparaging comments about the mentally ill"????

I didn't say that about anyone---- although a number of folks seem to think that about you.
And,I haven't yet begun to swear at you fool, but it could happen real fast so you need to know when to shut up and let things drop---- especially when none of it was your business to begin with. "Hijacking a thread"---you need to get real.

 

[panthera]

Gyrafoam,

There is only one person on this site who has the right to tell me - or anyone else for that matter - to shut up. That's Robert.

Your threats and name-calling were of some use, however - I needed to choose a fairy-tale for my 101 English group this morning.

We'll read Rumpelstiltskin.

 

[panthera]

WSJ

The Wall Street Journal is not exactly what you would call "liberal media" so this article surprised me - I was expecting it to be much more negative.

Things are going to be interesting - I really am looking forward to the first weddings at the end of my day here in Europe. Our TV is broadcasting live - this is truly a landmark event.

Andrew, thanks for the honest character assessment. If I only had one flaw (we'd be here all day just for the top 1000) it is too much self-certainty.

I did overreact to your comments a while back and I do owe you an apology - I am sorry. We have different perspectives on the black and Hispanic communities but your writings show you're not racist and I overstepped.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121358399346176405.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

[gyrafoam]

Ha ha ha--- you ARE a fairy tale-------

and you still don't know when to just SHUT UP.
You obviously take yourself waaaaaay too seriously.
I see from the previous post you are already apologizing to someone else for sticking your foot in your mouth----because of your supposed "self-certainty" and "overrreaction".
Honeeeey puuhleeeez.

You just need to chill.

 

[andrewinorlando]

Steve - really, it's fine. I understand Keven very well, and quite honestly, nothing he said was rude, crude, mean or the like. He was just expressing an opinion based on what the thought he had read. Just a misinterpretation on his part, just like you and I had a misunderstanding based on what you thought you were reading. Like I said, when he is wrong, he apologizes, as you do, too.

Keven - I don't know if self-certainty is the word I would use. I think "authoritative" is a better description! I think we're all pretty certain about our opinions. You're passionate about what you feel, but sometimes you just have to chill out and give folks a chance to express themselves without them feeling that you're going to just trample over their feelings and opinions...which you sometimes do. It's probably unintentional, but still, can be off-putting and have a "stir the shit" effect on a group. As a teacher, you of all people know that you have to allow folks to think for themselves, and form their own views and opinions, not plant them in their heads for them.

 

[gyrafoam]

Televangelist Pat Robertson was just on the CBN news ranting about how any nation who embraces sodomites will end up "in the ash can of history". In referencing the ancient city of Sodom, he said the Sodomites "were so gross they actually "sodomozed" Angels!

They also reported that the county clerks at the S.F. courthouse don't want to have work the overtime to get everyone married-off-----they claim the clerks recognize they are working against G-D's will and "don't want anything to do with it". Robertson claims the clerks all want to do the right thing and recognize that mairrage is ONLY between a male and a female.

Same old story---------------
I guess we will see whether the voters are sick enough of it or not. You can be sure the voters have been well coached from the pulpit to "do the right thing".

 

[andrewinorlando]

Now, Pat Robertson does realize he was talking about San Francisco, doesn't he??? Those clerks are probably too busy applying for marriage licenses themselves to handle the avalanche of requests coming through the door!!

 

[panthera]

You got that right, Andrew - and

Thank you for wording it so kindly. The line between self-assured and self-confident is, sadly, not always all that clear to me. I don't believe in astrology, but guess my sun sign...or just consider my pen-name.
I'm getting better at recognizing that I don't know it all...just not as fast as I'd like.

That said:

Bullies have to be stood up to. Beats me why someone like you, Gyrafoam, takes such pleasure in making threats and telling people to shut up, get out of their way, etc. I don't budge. I will not be bullied. You hijacked a thread to pour out your usual bitchy, whiny stream of filth. Then you had the effrontery to tell me what to do. The most you can succeed in doing is to start a flame war...but you can start that without me, I am a guest in Robert's house here and that's over the line.

Disparaging comments about the mentally ill or suggesting people here (like me) are deranged just don't cut it with me.

People like you have driven some very good folks off this site in the past with such comments, I will not lie down and let you get away with it unchallenged. What business is it of yours whether someone here is fighting mental illness or not? How dare you attack other members!

I'll see you in hell before I will back down. Hell, with really bad lighting, double-knit polyester and interior design by Walmart.

 

[panthera]

Why separation of church and state matters

If this woman were in a private capacity it wouldn't matter that she is prejudiced.
But she isn't - she has no right to take taxpayers' monies and then stop providing services simply because she doesn't want us to be treated as human beings.
Before the christianists took over government in the US, this would have been unthinkable. Today, she acts like she has done nothing wrong.
Has it occurred to these people that when the majority is permitted to abuse the minority, roles eventually get swapped? Sooner or later, the republicans and christianists are going to be out of office. Then, of course, they will be the biggest proponents of equal rights and separation of church and state.

Stung by furor over halt in civil weddings

Ann Barnett says she's always tried to do the right thing, whether for her church, her five children, her husband of 31 years or the people she serves as Kern County's elected clerk and auditor-controller.

www.latimes.com

 

[gyrafoam]

Hey Panthera-------

Go phuck yourself on the courthouse steps with the band playing "Dixie" for all I care.
Oh, and don't forget your daily dose of Lithium. You seriously need it.

 

[gyrafoam]

Andrew-----

The CBN Network did everything they could do to make it seem like "mainstream" San Fransisco government workers were appalled with the idea of helping "sodomites" marry!

It might as well have been Fox News propaganda.

 

[panthera]

Gyrafoam

Your repeated insults to mentally ill people don't belong here, they are beneath contempt.

You can dish it out, but like all bullies, let someone stand up to you and all that's left is meanness and a small spirit.

It is good that you have given us all an opportunity to see your true nature, tho'.

There can be no further purpose to continuing this conversation. Don't hijack a thread again to spread your hate and abuse.

 

[andrewinorlando]

Well, I'm sure that when Jesus and Pat Robertson were last having coffee together, that He told Pat to go forth and speak out against this "abomination" to save all these innocent souls.

 

[panthera]

Ah,

As hate-mongers go, Pat Robertson is way up there on the list. Goodness, how on earth can anyone claim to be Christian and yet be so hateful?
I don't think we should change the tax-exempt status of churches, they do an enormous amount of good - just look at the Salvation Army - but I do think it is time to start enforcing the "no politics if you want to keep that status" rules.

 

[Unimatic1140]

*** Tick, Tick, Tick ***

3 hours until the first marriage in California, YAY!

 

[jeffg]

I'm going to beat the rush:

Hey Robert, will you marry me?

{ducking and running}