Quick question on “dog dishes”

[logixx]

Ditto on eggs

I, too, have found that eggs can leave dishes smelly - although not always.

Cannot comment on the air gap situation as we don't have these things over here (nor have I ever needed to high-loop a drain hose).

 

[mralex]

Rolls_rapide - do you remember why they got rid of chlorine based detergents?

 

[awooff]

Egg

Yes even uncooked raw egg results in smelling up the whole load of dishes. Noticed it with curry as well. Im just a scraper and always use high temp wash. Everything goes in type here. 3 dogs use my dishes or maybe you could say I use theirs. No separating loads for me. Cascade boil out and always clean and clean smelling dishes. Also if you're using chlorine bleach with enzyme detergent powders or pucks you're just killing the enzymes with bleach before they work on the dishes.

 

[mrsalvo]

I was noticing a bad smell also from our 4 1/2 year old KA, as well as dishes not drying. So I pulled the paperwork on it and found out I did purchase a 5 year extended warranty, from Lowe's where I bought it. Gave them a call and they sent out their contracted repair shop tech. Well, they are rebuilding it. It needs a new control panel ($142.08), heater ($50.93), and drain pump ($61.54). Not sure what they would charge for labor....but we're not paying a dime. We have really hard water, hence the drain pump. I used a water softener in the prewash, to ward off any build up. Our last dishwasher sprung a leak underneath and did major damage to floor and cabinets. So two weeks without a DW and my dishes are looking better now that I'm handwashing with Dawn and a squirt of Lime-A-Way!! I do like the fact that I can get done quickly just handwashing, but I'd feel better about the stemware and cups and glasses in sanitizing with the DW.

After reading this thread, I never knew that about egg or the drain hose. I'm going to ask the tech about the air gap, there are no regulations for that in our neck of the woods. He told me the worst thing for any appliance is to regularly use it then quit and let it sit for long periods not using it. He said to run a cycle with one cup of vinegar once a week, if used frequently, and that all dishwasher parts are about all the same, think he repairs Whirlpool mostly.

I do miss my dishwasher though, you get used to them and it's not the easiest thing to go back handwashing on days if you have a lot of cooking to do. My poor hands are looking all the more dry and rough!!! LOL. Have new found respect for my mother and grandmother growing up when dishwashers were merely a dream.


Barry

 

[ea56]

“So two weeks without a DW and my dishes are looking better now that I'm handwashing with Dawn and a squirt of Lime-A-Way!! I do like the fact that I can get done quickly just handwashing, but I'd feel better about the stemware and cups and glasses in sanitizing with the DW. “

I still haven’t used my DW since about the middle of March, and I still don’t miss it!

I know you all probably think I’m crazy as a crap house rat, but seriously, I look forward to doing the dinner dishes. It strangely is a calming ritual.

And I really do believe that my dishes are much cleaner. As far as the glasses and stemware being more sanitized using the DW, well I don’t know how any bacteria will survive the detergent and hot water. I use a fresh, clean dish towel to dry,but they pretty much dry on their own, as I use the hottest water out of the tap. And I have a good pair of rubber gloves so my hands can withstand the heat, and aren’t any worse for the wear.

I may never use the DW again. I especially like that when the dishes are done, so is the kitchen cleanup. No unloadoing the DW latter on at night, when I’m tired, or worse yet, getting up to having to do it first thing in morning. And I enjoy cooking more again too. Works for me.

Eddie[this post was last edited: 8/14/2018-02:49]

 

[henene4]

I can totally get that it's a calming ritual.

But for me it's the worst.

Most bacteria are not harmed by normal cleaning agents (tensides) and survive temperatures below 120F with ease.
Even at 140F you need several minutes for any sanitisation.
And even with rubber gloves I doubt handwashing happens at 110F, provably max 100F.

As for cleaner: I doubt that to. Given that handwashing usually is only wash-rinse done.

And efficency wise, modern DW are unbeatable.

 

[rolls_rapide]

I have to agree that dishwashers these days, are economical beasts, and that they wash rather well.

As for dishpan hands - no thank you. Been there, done that, and got a nasty eczema into the bargain. Far too much faffing about, and instantaneous water heaters these days, have a tendency to run cold if you try to run the hot tap as a trickle rinse.

Oh - I spied a tv advert for Currys PC World, flogging an AEG dishwasher with that cantilevered bottom basket which moves out and up. 'Comfort-lift' I think it said on the basket handle.

 

[askolover]

After my job as an RN washing my hands frequently for 12 hours a pop the last thing I want to do is plunge them into hot water with even more harsh detergents.  Loved washing dishes when I was a kid, not now.

 

[lordkenmore]

I can appreciate that someone might find washing dishes a "calming ritual."

 

I personally find it more like pure drudgery.

 

Part of this may just be some personal history involving a bad time of my life, during which I did a lot of dishes by hand...

 

Unfortunately, my kitchen doesn't have a dishwasher, so I'm stuck washing dishes by hand.

 

I have trouble finding enthusiasm for cooking, and I wonder, sometimes, if I'd be more inclined to cook if I had a dishwasher.

 

 

 

 

[nickuk]

by hand or by machine

Robbie says.....

 

[ea56]

All this fear of lingering germs on hand washed dishes makes me laugh. Really, just think about all the exposure one has to germs when they kiss another person, or engage in any other intimate, personal behaviors, with persons who are often strangers when one is single. And yet you worry about the germs that may be left on a hand washed glass? Serioulsy?

As long as the dishes are washed in hot, soapy water, and rinsed in hot water, air dried or dried with a clean towel, there is little chance that anyone is going to become ill from these hand washed dishes.

Yes, a DW does use hotter water, for a longer period of time, and they probably come out with less bacteria on them, but its not like you need to autoclave your dishes,. You’re not going to be doing surgery with them.

And I can understand how some are completely adverse to hand washing dishes for one reason or another. So don’t then. But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes.

Eddie

 

[lordkenmore]

think about all the exposure one has to germs when they kiss another person

 

Lord Kenmore has his germophobic moments, but he sees this point about kissing. Not that kissing is an issue for Lord Kenmore, who is so completely and totally unlovable...but that's another story...

 

[ozzie908]

@ Eddie

I admire you for finding out you enjoy dishes by hand ! I found out years ago when I was a teen that I actually hated the chore as much as gardening. Only because my Mother loved to garden and used to say to me or my Dad or both of us.. " I cooked you wash up " so ok we did for a while then I bought them a dishwasher and never looked back. Same at home now I just detest doing dishes its ingrained in me its loathsome to the point I have a spare Miele dishwasher up the shed

But on the flip side I love to get the old twin tub or wringer washer out and do loads of laundry in it. Maybe its because I have a choice I don't know ????

Austin

 

[lordkenmore]

But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes. 

  

 

Even though I can have my germophobic moments, I'm getting by with hand washing dishes using regular detergent. Although it would be nice having a dishwasher with a sanitizing option. Not necessarily for daily use, but I get a large percentage of my  kitchen stuff from thrift stores, and there is always that "God knows where this item was last!" factor. Also, when I still cooked meat, the idea of sanitizing was appealing for the equipment that touched raw meat. But I just washed that stuff independently, and it was never used on anything ready to eat.

 

Going back in time, I grew up in a house that only washed dishes by hand. (Well, a dishwasher was used a few times, but the number was a fraction of 1%--I can only remember that dishwasher used once.) I can't say I never got sick because of a dish that wasn't sanitized, but I can say I don't remember any illness that might have been attributed to such a dish.

 

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm guessing my mother probably had a compromised immune system at times the last few years of her life. She ate off dishes that were washed by hand, and had no problems that I can recall.

 

That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system.

 

 

[henene4]

Neither do I see sanitizing as necessary

But wrong information about bacteria can be bad, harmful and under certain circumstances even lethal.
That's why I commented.

Our DW has 10min 70C/160F sanitizing option which we regulary use as the DW only runs once a week and then often these loads include the bowl used for intermediate storage of compost waste.

Most people who handwash do so immediatly, thus any bacteria on the dish can't thrive on food residues.

 

[ea56]

I appreciate your clarification

Henrik about your concern re: bacteria. And I hope that my post about lingering germs vs kissing, ect., didn’t come off as too snarky. I realize that my enjoying handwashing dishes may be hard to comprehend for many. If anyone had told me 6 mo. ago that I would be gladly handwashing my dishes, I would had said ,”Oh, hell NO!” But sometimes a change is good. After all, I had been using a DW daily for over 30 years.

I’m very meticulous about my kitchen, and find that my new routine keeps everything just the way I like it. Maybe its because the state of my country is spiraling out of control, and this is something that I can exercise complete control over, if that makes any sense. And it really does seem like a zen experience to me. I like mindless, repetitive tasks, it lets me kind of zone out.
And I also like to buck the trend too, LOL.
Eddie

 

[mrsalvo]

"All this fear of lingering germs on hand washed dishes makes me laugh."
"That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system."

Hey Guys, as I've mentioned in an older thread last year, my situation is different than most. The reason for sanitization is that my elderly Dad, 88 years old, was/is being treated for bladder cancer through the use of live Tuberculosis microbes solution injected into his bladder, he holds it for 2-3 hours then voids. This is done once a week for a number of weeks, 3 months last year. The TB kills the cancer stimulated through his own immune system. The day of, and the day after treatments he is very infectious. Since he has Alzheimer's as well, he doesn't always remember to wash his hands after voiding, so EVERYTHING he touches is suspect. I could go on and on, but you get the idea now. My hot water heater heats to 125 F. and honestly, I couldn't stand it any hotter to wash dishes. To compound issues, he has a chemical reaction to chorine bleach, so I use that VERY sparingly.
Doctor told me to wear a face mask and gloves when entering his bathroom, bedroom, and handling laundry (that's a whole other world unto itself), and when I have to leave the house for a needed errand, going into the public.

We start booster treatments tomorrow at 8:00am. I have no dishwasher right now. The repair person is suppose to come out on Thursday, the day after treatment. WHAT TO DO??? I NEED THE DISHWASHER FIXED, didn't count on it taking this long. I have some paper plates, cups, and stemware, but I still have to cook.

Sorry for the long post, it's quite a dilemma.

Barry

 

[ea56]

Barry I’m so sorry that your Dad is so ill,and that you have to contend with this difficult situation. I realize now that you have mentioned this previously, but I forgot. You absolutley need a DW under these circumstances, and I hope you can get it up and running again real soon.

And I hope that your Dad’s treatments will be successful. Its a lot to expect for an 88 year old man to undergo this kind of illness and radical treatments, I wish you both all the best! He is so lucky to have a devoted son like yourself, and I’m sure he knows it too.

Eddie

 

[mrsalvo]

Eddie, thank-you for the kind heart-felt post. It means a lot. I realize many here have forgotten my situation, but that's okay. No ill will meant or anything. It's cool.

I'm up this evening wracking my brain how I can get it fixed and not have the young man exposed. For all I know he may have a young family. I'm coming up empty, no solutions right now.....but I'm tired also.

I'm open to any suggestions.

Again, thank-you Eddie.

Barry

 

[mrsalvo]

The treatments that start tomorrow is booster treatments, it will be for only 4 weeks.

Barry