Quick question on “dog dishes”

[lordkenmore]

think about all the exposure one has to germs when they kiss another person

 

Lord Kenmore has his germophobic moments, but he sees this point about kissing. Not that kissing is an issue for Lord Kenmore, who is so completely and totally unlovable...but that's another story...

 

[ozzie908]

@ Eddie

I admire you for finding out you enjoy dishes by hand ! I found out years ago when I was a teen that I actually hated the chore as much as gardening. Only because my Mother loved to garden and used to say to me or my Dad or both of us.. " I cooked you wash up " so ok we did for a while then I bought them a dishwasher and never looked back. Same at home now I just detest doing dishes its ingrained in me its loathsome to the point I have a spare Miele dishwasher up the shed

But on the flip side I love to get the old twin tub or wringer washer out and do loads of laundry in it. Maybe its because I have a choice I don't know ????

Austin

 

[lordkenmore]

But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes. 

  

 

Even though I can have my germophobic moments, I'm getting by with hand washing dishes using regular detergent. Although it would be nice having a dishwasher with a sanitizing option. Not necessarily for daily use, but I get a large percentage of my  kitchen stuff from thrift stores, and there is always that "God knows where this item was last!" factor. Also, when I still cooked meat, the idea of sanitizing was appealing for the equipment that touched raw meat. But I just washed that stuff independently, and it was never used on anything ready to eat.

 

Going back in time, I grew up in a house that only washed dishes by hand. (Well, a dishwasher was used a few times, but the number was a fraction of 1%--I can only remember that dishwasher used once.) I can't say I never got sick because of a dish that wasn't sanitized, but I can say I don't remember any illness that might have been attributed to such a dish.

 

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm guessing my mother probably had a compromised immune system at times the last few years of her life. She ate off dishes that were washed by hand, and had no problems that I can recall.

 

That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system.

 

 

[henene4]

Neither do I see sanitizing as necessary

But wrong information about bacteria can be bad, harmful and under certain circumstances even lethal.
That's why I commented.

Our DW has 10min 70C/160F sanitizing option which we regulary use as the DW only runs once a week and then often these loads include the bowl used for intermediate storage of compost waste.

Most people who handwash do so immediatly, thus any bacteria on the dish can't thrive on food residues.

 

[ea56]

I appreciate your clarification

Henrik about your concern re: bacteria. And I hope that my post about lingering germs vs kissing, ect., didn’t come off as too snarky. I realize that my enjoying handwashing dishes may be hard to comprehend for many. If anyone had told me 6 mo. ago that I would be gladly handwashing my dishes, I would had said ,”Oh, hell NO!” But sometimes a change is good. After all, I had been using a DW daily for over 30 years.

I’m very meticulous about my kitchen, and find that my new routine keeps everything just the way I like it. Maybe its because the state of my country is spiraling out of control, and this is something that I can exercise complete control over, if that makes any sense. And it really does seem like a zen experience to me. I like mindless, repetitive tasks, it lets me kind of zone out.
And I also like to buck the trend too, LOL.
Eddie

 

[mrsalvo]

"All this fear of lingering germs on hand washed dishes makes me laugh."
"That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system."

Hey Guys, as I've mentioned in an older thread last year, my situation is different than most. The reason for sanitization is that my elderly Dad, 88 years old, was/is being treated for bladder cancer through the use of live Tuberculosis microbes solution injected into his bladder, he holds it for 2-3 hours then voids. This is done once a week for a number of weeks, 3 months last year. The TB kills the cancer stimulated through his own immune system. The day of, and the day after treatments he is very infectious. Since he has Alzheimer's as well, he doesn't always remember to wash his hands after voiding, so EVERYTHING he touches is suspect. I could go on and on, but you get the idea now. My hot water heater heats to 125 F. and honestly, I couldn't stand it any hotter to wash dishes. To compound issues, he has a chemical reaction to chorine bleach, so I use that VERY sparingly.
Doctor told me to wear a face mask and gloves when entering his bathroom, bedroom, and handling laundry (that's a whole other world unto itself), and when I have to leave the house for a needed errand, going into the public.

We start booster treatments tomorrow at 8:00am. I have no dishwasher right now. The repair person is suppose to come out on Thursday, the day after treatment. WHAT TO DO??? I NEED THE DISHWASHER FIXED, didn't count on it taking this long. I have some paper plates, cups, and stemware, but I still have to cook.

Sorry for the long post, it's quite a dilemma.

Barry

 

[ea56]

Barry I’m so sorry that your Dad is so ill,and that you have to contend with this difficult situation. I realize now that you have mentioned this previously, but I forgot. You absolutley need a DW under these circumstances, and I hope you can get it up and running again real soon.

And I hope that your Dad’s treatments will be successful. Its a lot to expect for an 88 year old man to undergo this kind of illness and radical treatments, I wish you both all the best! He is so lucky to have a devoted son like yourself, and I’m sure he knows it too.

Eddie

 

[mrsalvo]

Eddie, thank-you for the kind heart-felt post. It means a lot. I realize many here have forgotten my situation, but that's okay. No ill will meant or anything. It's cool.

I'm up this evening wracking my brain how I can get it fixed and not have the young man exposed. For all I know he may have a young family. I'm coming up empty, no solutions right now.....but I'm tired also.

I'm open to any suggestions.

Again, thank-you Eddie.

Barry

 

[mrsalvo]

The treatments that start tomorrow is booster treatments, it will be for only 4 weeks.

Barry

 

[rolls_rapide]

@mralex:

I don't rightly know, but I suspect that the likes of Switzerland had previously banned chlorine bleach, and that manufacturers probably found it easier just to make a generic formulation. That'll be why we got that Finish blue-green gel foisted upon us - first of all in the old yellow bottle, now in the 'shower-gel' bottle.

And, it being the EU, they probably mandated something as well - similar to how our halogen bulbs are now getting banned in October.

 

[ea56]

Re: Reply#37

Barry, maybe if you check with a hospital medical supply/equipment company in your area there is some kind of disinfectant spray that you can buy from them to throroughly spray the inside of the DW before the tech comes to repair it. Or maybe an ultra violet light left on in the closed DW for a period of time would eradicate the TB bacteria. There has to be something that hospital and hospices use for disinfection of articles that can’t be done in the conventional manner. Also, the hospital or doctor treating your Dad may have some suggestions on what you can use.

I guess the last resort would be to just get aonther DW, but thats a big expense on top of what you must already be laying out. Plus, it wouldn’t solve the problem of someone else beiong exposed to the TB contagion if they fooled around with the old DW.

You are a truly good guy, and I’ll keep you and your Dad in my thoughts and continue to wish you both the best.

Eddie

 

[ea56]

Who knew Barry

that common acetic acid, or household vinegar is an effective disinfectant against the TB bacterium. I did a Google search and came up with several hits about vinegar killing the TB bacterium. I’ve posted one of the links for you, but you may want to check out the others. I also found a disinfectant spray that contains Quaternary Ammonium Compound, but I didn’t include this link. I think that by using plain old 6% concentration acid vinegar to clean out your DW before the tech arrives should protect him from infection. And if you just put some straight white vinegar into a spray bottle you can easliy go over the surfaces that you think Dad may have contaminated. Its non toxic, inexpensive and won’t damage most surfaces.

I sure hope that this will be of some help to you!

Eddie

http://https//www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140225101501.htm

 

[iheartmaytag]

Hand washing Disinfection

Sam's club sells sanitizer. The dishes must sit in the sink for at least two minutes and then be allowed to air dry. (resist the urge to wipe them dry, this just spreads germs).

Since you mentioned my friend and constant companion, Chlorine is out of the question, you can also use high dilution iodine disinfection. As well as the Quaternary ammonium cation that has been mentioned in the laundry section.

 

[mrsalvo]

"...that common acetic acid, or household vinegar is an effective disinfectant against the TB bacterium." You know, when that tech. guy mentioned using vinegar in the dishwasher it was like a light bulb went off in my head, that he hit on something, but he said it to ward off calcium build-up inside the dishwasher. I'm going to be very faithful to do so often. (I personally don't care for the dishwasher cleaning pacs (Cascade)that you buy at the grocery store, to me they smell like a horrid deodorant bath soap....I don't like my dishes smelling like Irish Spring! LOL.) Am making extensive use of vinegar and Bon Ami in cleaning bathrooms and surfaces.
[We're trying something new today and this round of treatments. We live in a country neighborhood, nearest neighbor is about 200 feet away, so we have some privacy. I told Dad that when he needs to void, to go outside and use the backyard, away from the house. This will help some in limiting exposure inside, I think. Have exhaust fans and fans running as well, to keep the air turned over. Please forgive me for sounding so crude.]

After much, much thought, I think I may have a friend go to Lowe's or somewhere next Monday (after we both recover from today) and pick up a new middle-of-the-line model dishwasher and install it myself. I'm not an electrician (my Dad was, but he doesn't remember how anymore). I think I can do this if I can see how the old one disconnects. There is way too much chance of that young man coming into our house, TB is soooo contagious, no matter how careful you are in wiping down surfaces and turning the air over. I don't have a lot of time to research what to buy, so I'm going to reread posts and threads here before going to bed tonight.
Quick question, is anybody happy with Whirlpool dishwashers with the stemware basket in the door?

For laundry I'm washing as normal and hanging clothes outside on the clothesline, let the sun do it's job. LOL. There's no shortage of the hot, hot Texas weather / wind and sun.

Well, I hear Dad waking back up from a long nap and I've got to go check on him. Today has been an extremely rough day, all the way around. I feel so bad for him and I feel so helpless to help him. I'm doing all that I can.
Thank-you all for the thoughtful replies.

Barry

 

[combo52]

New DW

Hi Barry, Any WP or MT DW would be great, the MTs are a little better mechanically, the WPs can be less costly if you get a plastic tub model, unfortunately only WP has the very desirable In-Door Silverware-Basket.

John L.