Russia Removing Foreign Detergents from Store Shelves

[tomturbomatic]

After destroying flowers and dairy products from the Netherlands in light of the Netherlands' latest inquiries into the plane downed over the Ukraine, Russia is purging grocery shelves of foreign detergents from P&G, Colgate-Palmolive and other well-known manufacturers saying that they contain dangerous levels of toxic chemicals.

Here is most of the text from MSN in case the link does not work for some:

MOSCOW — Russian authorities have begun to remove foreign brands of detergent and washing powder from stores, claiming that they pose health risks.

The Consumer Protection Agency said in a statement on Tuesday that recent inspections of selected goods by top foreign brands such as Colgate-Palmolive and Procter & Gamble have found high levels of toxic ingredients.

Moscow extended its ban earlier this month on selected food imports from the EU and other countries. Russia, however, has not banned the imports of detergent and washing liquid and most of the producers mentioned by the agency have production facilities in Russia.

You have to wonder what kind of duties a Consumer Protection Agency in Russia would have. The last paragraph is the strangest. With production agencies in country, could this be a sign of internal terrorism or government-sponsored sabotage?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...er-from-shops/ar-BBm4NkG?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=iehp

 

[washer111]

And they think a huge multinational like P&G, Colgate-Palmolive etc are really going to care about loosing these sales? I'm sure plenty of people, myself included, will be telling them to "think on." The majority of people don't care an iota about what the Russians think anymore.

I really think they have humiliated themselves in the public eye. 

 

 

 

[iheartmaytag]

Toxic ingredients

I knew someone would eventually ban those strong fragrances as toxic.

Sounds like the old Russian Propaganda mill is still at work.
I can see the headlines. "April Fresh Downy made from Nuclear Waste."
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[firedome]

It's all political...

funny isn't it how all of a sudden these products long on sale there are all of a sudden "toxic"!

 

[dixan]

"And they think a huge multinational like P&G, Colgate-Palmolive etc are really going to care about loosing these sales?"

Of course they are going to care, washer111! Russia is a huge market. Multinational companies will loose a lot of money.
That's what Putin wants. This is an answer to the EU's sanctions against Russia.

 

[warmsecondrinse]

"High levels of toxic ingredients"? "Health risks"?

What ingredients? Are these new ones or long-standing ones now at higher levels? What is the threshold for toxicity?

What precisely are the risks? What are the mechanics of the posing of said risks?

Colgate and Proctor haven't responded. I'd love to read the information they've received. One would hope it'd be rather more detailed.

Jim

 

[Practigal]

Awwww play along with them. Tout that party line. Be stupid and agree that everything Putin and the other oligarchs say is correct and true....then buy their soap.
Any soap can be a dangerous chemical...
Why is it that so much of what passes for politics and religion these days requires that you check your brain at the door (and leave your heart behind as well)?

 

[tomturbomatic]

The lies and political chicanery are as transparent as ALL Free and Clear. In the news, the price of oil keeps sinking lower and lower while new natural gas pipelines are being built from newly discovered fields reducing Russia's monopoly as the energy supplier to European countries along with the money that keeps the Russian economy going.
Tant pis for a hate-filled nation with a hate-filled ruler.

 

[washman]

hmmm

NYET!

 

[dixan]

Hate-filled ruler - yes, hate-filled nation - absolutely not.
Can I call American nation "hate-filled" just because your politicians started number of wars?

 

[warmsecondrinse]

I haven't followed up since the announcement of a success initial test of part I, but Poland and other border countries have been revamping their gas pipeline system to function normally in the event Russia stops selling/supplying gas.

Good point, Dixan. However, Putin, et el. keep fueling Americans' negative stereotypes about Russia so someone in their government clearly wants Americans to view Russia as a hate-filled nation.

Disclaimer: As I've said before, I was a Soviet Studies major as a undergrad student and studied Russian for 7 years I also have family living in countries that were behind the former Iron Curtain. Therefore I often interpret news from that part of the world rather differently than other people do.

Jim

 

[dixan]

Everything is propaganda. Russian propaganda, American propaganda, EU propaganda... It's all about the money - oil, gas, etc.
People have to stop believing in everything and start reading, understating and thinking. Otherwise our future as a humanity is not very bright.
Russians are not hate-filled. They are one of the nicest people I know. However, I don't understand their love to Putin. Nations have lessons to learn. Russians didn't learn theirs. They started with dictatorship and ended with dictatorship.

 

[jerrod6]

Probably more due to the financial sanctions US and EU have imposed on Russia. So their response is to try to limit imports from these countries.  It is also an attempt to keep what money they have circulating within their own country.

 

[iheartmaytag]

Diaxan

I guess you must be more intune to the world politics more than the rest of us.
Which wars specifically did the U.S. Politicians "start"?

Are you going back all the way in our short history where we started the Revolutionary war. Yea, we started that one. You get one for $200

Civil war? Doesn't count didn't involve you. But, yea we started it. U.S. Wars for $400

World War 1? That one started in 1914, U.S. involvement didn't begin until 1917. did we start that one and then stand back and watch? Buzz-Buzz -$600

World War II? I think we stayed out of that one and were criticized by the world for not getting involved. Once we were forced into the fight, I believe it had something to do with an unprovoked attack at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, we went in to win--and we did. Buzz-Buzz -$800

Korean War? Did we start that one? Yea, we did in an almost Whoops moment. You are still in the negative but now only down -$400

Cold War? Now come on it takes two. We are going to pretend no one answered you are still -$400

Vietnam? Ok give you a partial on that one as we should probable have stayed out, but, See Cold war above. Still at -$400

Desert Storm--Oil driven, you get a point. Did we start it? Leaving that one to Alex Trebeck in final Jeopardy.

Lets lump these as they are connected:
War on Iraq--Totally manufactured, but could be argued interconnected. I am sure GW will find the WMD someday.

War on Terrorism.
Did we start that one? September 11, 2001 we were just sitting quietly when some planes started crashing into things in New York and Washington. So an unprovoked attack again. Did we start that?

So maybe we might be war mongers, but tell me exactly what do the pacifist do for world peace rather than sit back and criticize others? Looking at the Jeopardy questions above does it not appear that many benefited from our war making? of course if there had not been so many chicken dookie attacks we may not have had to "start" so many wars.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Join us next time for Double Jeopardy.

Yes, I do believe it is propaganda to state that a U.S. Made detergent has Toxic ingredients. Whats the quickest way to get someone to not use a product. Tell them it is toxic. Propaganda.

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[dixan]

I apologize. "Started" was not the right word here. Maybe "involved" was more appropriate. Once again, I am sorry.
But I just don't accept someone to call a whole nation "hate-filled" just because of several crazy politicians.

To the point.
I just read this article. Sorry, it's in Russian.
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2795660

I cannot translate it, use google translate, but the removed products are:
- Vernel Spring freshness softener, Persil Expert Sensitiv powder and Pemos for children (Henkel, all made in Perm and Engels in Russia);
- Fairy Platinum (Procter & Gamble, made in Czech Republic);
- liquid soap Palmolive Natural intensive moisturizing with Olive oil and moisturizing milk (Colgate-Palmolive, Turkey);
- the German agent for cleaning and floor care Emsal (Werner & Mertz GmbH);
- UniCUM Floor cleaner universal SPA, Luxus Professional Clean parquet floor (ESP-Contract GmbH, Moscow region);
- the only one US product is universal antibacterial cleanser for all types of surfaces Formula 409 (The Clorox Company, USA).

Consumer Protection Agency in Russia says that after laboratory tests "part of the product does not meet the regulatory requirements of the sanitary-chemical and toxicological safety parameters".

That's it. This is the information. Everything else written here are speculations.

 

[mattl]

Well Putin destroyed lots of meat and cheese that was imported simply due to the crackdown and boycott from the west. No reason to believe this is anything more than him posturing.

 

[foraloysius]

The boycot of Dutch products didn't lead to a economical disaster fortunately. I believe it was only 0.1 or 0.2% of our total export. Hatred against foreigners is growing in Russia, some Dutch people working in Russia have experienced this. They had to give up their positions they held for quite a long time.

The Netherlands will persist in finding out what really happened with that plane. Too many people knew victims of that incident.

 

[iheartmaytag]

they are correct on a technicality

Some in the U.S. Are trying to have some of the anti-bacterial substances removed, specifically Triclosan. In larger doses it's bug poison.

Chlorine Bleach can be considered toxic.

Give the devil it's dues, and they may have some reasoning behind their actions. I do believe Jamie and Adam would call it Plausible. As said before, any cleaning product can be considered toxic. The only thing begin is water, and in some places that's toxic.

 

[dixan]

Yes, it is possible, but there are no proofs.
Don't believe. Read all possible sources of information and then draw conclusions.

 

[dixan]

Sorry, no information so far what they consider toxic and non safe.

By the way, the comments under the Russian article are sceptic and mostly against the actions of this organisation.

 

[iheartmaytag]

My point being, most propaganda be it's derivation from Russia, WWII Germany, or the U.S. has some element of plausibility.

One could make the statement, U.S. Cars are dangerous. This could be true in the fact that all cars are inherently dangerous, but are they more so than cars produced elsewhere?

McDonald's has taken a big hit over their chicken parts nuggets. Some ran in droves away from McDonald's, Me, I like chicken parts, and they are more or less sanitized at 350 degrees, I can handle it. But I really don't want to know what's in them, same goes for hot dogs. Love them, but cow lips, ick.

So by banning these cleaning products, rather than come out and tell the citizens that its political, they tell them it's because they are toxic. They have plausibility because any chemical can be toxic, and they convince their populus to use something else.

For the most part all countries want to believe their government, and people of Russia are not different. No matter where you live, your home is what you want to defend and what you want to believe. So if my government bans something, I usually trust their ban. In most cases they won't ban something that should be, well Monsanto is a whole different story.

 

[dixan]

Well, what do you expect from dictatorship?

 

[cranraspberry]

Ironically, in situations like modern-day Russia, the worse it gets for the people the better it is for Putin. His approval rating is at 86% currently - when was the last time you saw numbers like that in a first world democracy?

Propaganda is an effective tool, and what you have right now in Russia is a giant population who is blaming their worsening living conditions on the West. They support Russian "anti-sanctions" and the destruction of food because they are truly under the impression that by doing so they are fighting the imperialistic hegemony of the West and are willing to sacrifice more and more personal liberties and comforts in the name of that. How convenient for Putin and his corrupt government.

Detergents are nothing compared to the giant list of medical equipment that will soon stop being imported. NICU gear, which Russia does not produce, MRI imaging equipment and so on and so forth. That's where it gets really terrifying.

 

[iheartmaytag]

Agreed

But if you never knew any different. Most just go about and survive.

Keem em like mushrooms, Keep them in the dark and feed them. . .propaganda.

 

[rp2813]

It seems about time to revive Radio Free Europe -- the Russian version.

 

P.O. Box 2015

Radio City Station

New York, NY

 

[Practigal]

"I am sure that GW will find the WMD someday."
Huh? ISIS is a WMD, they have already stated that they intend to annihilate the yazidis and are doing a very good job of it. They would like to kill every single American and European as well as a bunch of Muslims that they don't feel are "Muslim enough". Millions of people are on the move, trying desperately to get anywhere else. How much more mass does it have to be? In order to really do anything about it boots will have to be on the ground. They'll have to bring back the draft in many countries. Are we really ready for this? Or are we going to continue to ignore it because they're just making the women sex slaves and killing all the men. Isn't it evil that somebody decides to make you a combatant in a war you have no interest in fighting and does so "in gods name"... ( please don't invite that God to my dinner table) I'll stop the rant here but you have the idea.

 

[mattl]

Putin and food... 

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmKdaP3i5c

 

[mrb627]

Too Many...

Russians ate the PODS, apparently....

Malcolm

 

[arbilab]

It's been postulated that had W not invaded Iraq-- for no productive reason whatsoever except that Halliburton was in line for the 'rebuilding' contract-- there would be no such thing as ISIS.

Also that had UK not capriciously drawn the map of the middle east with disregard to tribal boundaries, the whole middle east problem wouldn't exist.

Or had the US not alternately armed both Iran and Iraq against each other along the timeline.

We gave money to Noriega before he became such a problem we had to send the Army in to arrest him.

We gave money to Batista and looked the other way as he fell under the influence of US mobsters until HE became such a problem that we gave money to Castro to root him out. Then disenfranchised Fidel in retribution for nationalizing a US political crook's plantation holdings, bringing the world the closest ever to nuclear war over a gawdam bunch of bananas.

Then there's the drug-thug economy of many South American and Caribbean nations, made so by the Carter-era Sugar Proctection Act (SPAs date to the Colonies) which in one swell foop destroyed their ag economies and poisoned US soft drinks. Besides being THE customer for contraband substances.

That's the SHORT story of problems the US has bumbled itself into, taken chunks of the world down with it, then ballooned its armed bureaucracies attempting to sort.

None of that makes Putin any less of a chump.

 

[gansky1]

Russia isn't only "protecting their citizens from toxic harm" pretending to sanction detergents, they are also dumping food by the ton.  (see link)

All of this is only proof that the Western sanctions on the Russian oligarchs and the economy they control are working. Sadly, with food prices skyrocketing, the sanctions are causing those who can least afford it financial pain. How do you combat this and prevent your citizens from rising up against you? Propaganda. All governments do it.

Would that Western democracies had complete control of the media and all information consumed by the public, approval ratings for leaders would certainly mirror those of Putin. Two sides to that story, as well, isn't there?

Remember "Freedom Fries" in the U.S. in the run-up to the Iraq invasion? That wasn't government manufactured propaganda, but they certainly loved it at the time, despite its baseless and childish origin. The same was true when one of the "rescued survivors" of Reagan's Grenada Island foolishness stepped off the plane and kissed American soil after a long flight of being convinced that they were in danger and had been saved by our military. Same story, different chapter now. There's plenty of bullsh*t to go around, step right up and get some!

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/russia-destroys-food-peaches-cheese/