"Studies in the LGeeee" aka, WILD TURBO PIX

[johnmk]

Speed Wash(Hot) / Heavy Soil / Turbo Wash.

Internal heater stopped heating right at the moment the drain pump engaged -- temperature at that time was 98 Fahrenheit. At no other point have I ever seen the internal heater kick in, so only wash, never rinse cycles. I forgot to measure the initial fill of warm water (as you know, even though Hot was selected as temp, LGs still fill with only luke-warmish water), so based upon previous experience I'd estimate the fill temp to be right around 86-90F. I'm definitely seeing the atomizer engaging at the end of the wash cycle, perhaps as a suds suppresor?, and during the spinning/water-extraction phase to aid in rinsing. By the way, I always use the Turbo Wash option when I use Speed Wash. Not sure if you're doing that or not. It's not default, not sure why not.

 

[mickeyd]

An optimist here, and knowing that the heater would stop at the end of the wash, I was thinking more along the lines of residuals. The coil would need to cool and would probably not cool during the one minute drain before the subsequent rinse fill, and that therefore some "residual" heating of the rinse water would occur during Speed Wash which would be improbable in other cycles because of the 8 or so minute distribution before the spin. Little chance of any heat remaining in the coil, then.

I love this. Thank You.

On mine, the Turbo is preset with Speed Wash. Later model, maybe? UNLESS, I accidentally programmed it early on, working the buttons. Interesting.

Even though my cold line can be set to hot, with only two gallons coming in on most wash cycles, and no way to pre-purge the lines, it is still hard to get tank hot water, but here's a trick:

Let the machine do its cold/ hot alternation protocol, then drain the tub, and you should get tank hot water if you can adapt your cold line or turn it off.

Tried get a pic of the tumble spray, but the door would not open for me to insert the magic key; hence the glare and streaming. Next time.

 

[johnmk]

We see how gradual (borderline ineffective) the internal water heater is, at 1000 watts. Any residual heat in the coil is massively overwhelmed by the fact that any 120v clothes washer internal heater is next to useless as is: 1 degree F per minute that it's on. And that's while it's ON! I see what you're saying tho. It would be hard to test I think given that some heat remains in the material of the washer/clothes/non-drained water so who knows where the inertia come from. The times where I've tested the temperature of the rinse phase after an internal-heater assisted Bright Whites cycle have shown rinse temps in the range of 70-75F, which is about 10 degrees higher than my tap water temperature right now. Haven't ever done that for Speed Wash. Do you have an infrared thermometer?

 

[johnmk]

1000 watts . . . that's the same power as the internal water heater in my Keurig coffee maker. And that takes a couple minutes to reach boiling, heating just a smidgen of water.

How I envy Europeans with their 240v utopia!

 

[jetcone]

wow Mikey

that looks like a water-rich machine for sure! How long does the spray keep up? Whole cycle, part of cycle, beginning of cycle?

 

 

[logixx]

No need to get overly excited about the 240V heater. While these put out +/- 2000 watts, heating still takes its time. The manual of my Duet says, it'll wash 13 lbs. on the Mixed Items (Normal) cycle at 104F. Well, no. If I really put that much clothes in there, the heater won't get the water up to temp during to 25-minute main wash cycle. Once the timer displays 30 minutes remaining, the heater will click off and the drain pump comes on. It wasn't a problem when I still had the washer connected to hot and cold, as the ATC is set to achieve 104F in the tub during the fill stage. The only way to avoid it is to select another cycle (no soil level selection on Mixed Items), load less clothes in there or dump hot water in the washer once the load-sensing is done.

I wish I had one of these V-Zug washers. 3500 watts heating power... just like in the good ol' days.

I'm still thinking that there must be a way to get the LG to display the current tub temp. Just keep on pressing them buttoms!

 

[mickeyd]

John & Jon Charles

Rarely use the Bright Whites. Not surprised that you've found the rinse water to be ten degrees higher than tap cold even after the high speed spin after the wash. Residuals are interesting and subtle, coming to my attention when I moved into this house with baseboard hot  water heating.  It's been a constant source of fascination, even with barely a candle heating the LG's meager two gallons of wash water on the regular cycles. When I use Sanitary for white loads, the draining wash water is scalding hot, so that little bugger takes its time, but in the end does the job. Sanitary is about an hour and a half, heating for maybe 60 minutes--guessing.  Try sanitary for really hot water. No thermometer here.   Should I call you John? No name given in profile 

 

Jon, the spray is just under a minute--have gotten to the count of 50, using the one thousand, two thousand, three thousand method. (Must get timer and thermometer)

 

Two sprays in final spin. When they come depends on cycle. On Speed Wash, they enter at minute 5 & 3, remaining. More sprays occur depending on the cycle and the extra rinses selected. The LG computer truly has a mind of its own and seems to do any damn thing it pleases, lol.

 

You've got to get one of these, Jon. You'd have a ball. And with all your meters and equipment, you could do definitive water use studies.  Haven't written it out yet, but my thesis was that LG has copied every favorite and well-known maneuver from all the vintage washing machines we know and love. Someone at LG has spent a lot of time in the Imperial Archives of Aworg.

 

[mickeyd]

Alex & Jon

 

 

Jon Charles ~

 

Here's a link to the movie Dennis & I made showing the water richness.

 

Alex ~

 

I haven't tried the buttons yet,  and I would also love a "real" heater to do a classic European Boil Wash, but this teeny LG "buffet warmer"  is very satisfying for someone who has had NO heater ever before. 

[this post was last edited: 5/16/2014-12:07]

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWBbVHVHQc

 

[johnmk]

These washing machines are very water efficient. Just enough water to fully saturate the clothing and give the detergent something to dissolve into. IMO, the default water levels are not too much, not too little. Goldilocks.

 

[mickeyd]

A Paradigm Shift heralded by Frigilux.

 

 

 The whole hope and effort is to launder the load in as little water as possible. First for conservation of a diminishing natural resource ( see HBO's  "Vice" piece on Texas Drought or the PBS  "Nature"  edition about Beavers -- both currently available), and second to get the laundry clean. With minimal water the laundry rises all the way to the top and falls with the full weight and force of a wet towel -- not possible in a  vintage amount of water.  It works, especially with the constant saturation by the turbojets. There is nothing new about this method when you understand it as a refinement of rock pounding and washboard washing used for centuries. 

 

The rinse uses twice as much for dilution, etc., and since the load is clean,  the heavy falling and thrashing is no longer necessary which cannot happen anyway in the high volume of water used for rinsing.   

 

It takes some getting used to, especially for a dyed-in-the-wool TL Codger like myself.  But seeing is believing, and I am convinced. The clothes are clean, washed effectively in just over two gallons of water. To put it into perspective, my 18 pound Norge took almost two gallons just to fill the lower regions before you could see any water at all in the tub, and then another 18 gallons to wash, which it did marvelously just like the LG does.

 

[jetcone]

Mikey

Nice video ! Very Pro I think. that is a pretty machine. All that jiggling in the beginning is the washer trying to sense the weight of the clothes to determine how much water to fill. The motor has a torque sensor that tells it how much weight is in the tub.

 

I am amazed that you are able to change cycle elements on the fly like that, even in my Speed Queen once it starts there is no changing unless you Z out the whole cycle and start over. That kind of flexibility is a real plus.

Love the Cherry color!!

 

 

[mickeyd]

Thanks John. Yeah,  you can play those buttons & keys  & blinking dial like an organ.   I so hope you'll get one.  The Wild Cherry will one day be as sought after as your  Charcoal .

 More on the water later.  Lots to tell.  "On the  fly"  to LA at noon. Washing and packing and securing the premises like a squirrel. 

 

Memory trigger: Jon is right: what happened when I added a towel late in the cycle, and then just a T-shirt. 

 

[alr2903]

MickeyD,   Thank You! for the pictures and additional info about the "turbo" system.  Safe travel while on your trip. Also Loggix Thank You for explaining all the different tumble patterns.  Arthur

 

[jkbff]

Michael,

How are things with this washer? Your pics and vids are making this gorgeous machine seem appealing and almost necessary!

I was looking at a used Neptune 7500 set that fell through, and have seemed to acquire a speed queen front load set that needs some work and am desperate to get rid of my samsung wf210anw washer...

I guess I shouldn't say that, I have been fiddling with it more and more and am getting it to clean better as I keep adjusting water levels and temperatures... The damn thing doesn't use hot water when you put it on a hot cycle. When the unit was new, it barely spit on the clothes and the paddles on the drum don't seem to pull the clothes as much as they should... But what can I say when the set cost what the Cherry LG washer costs alone.

Anywho, I found one for around 600 with free shipping and was thinking of picking it up...

I just had a few questions I wanted to go over, a lot of them have been answered by this thread but curiosity still leads the mind to wander. I thought I'd better start by making sure you still enjoy the machine first.

I hope all is well!

 

[alr2903]

Micky I am glad to see your posts.... Now how bout some deck pictures as fall progresses.  I enjoy your shots from your deck, It is how I kwnow fall is coming.... I hope you are well. arthur

 

[gelaundry4ever]

kenmore elite with accela-wash

I have a Kenmore Elite washer with the Accela-wash feature which is the cousin to the lg with the turbo-wash. It does the same things you've described. Mine doesn't have the steam, but it does have the auto soak feature. I use the normal/casual and whites cycles all with accela-wash. When I wash whites, I use accela-wash, auto soak, and 2 extra rinses. I use the usual tide, downy, and Clorox. Very nice set.