mickeyd
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Roscoe ~ You KNOW I'll be looking for those restrictors if they're there. If so, out they go, and I'll let you know, but if you see the pic of the inlet above, the pressure is strong. Intrigued.
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I think there's a typo in your first reply to Johnny... ;-D
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THANK GOD FOR EDIT. HOLY FECES. I LEFT SOME INADVERTENT FECAL MATTER.
Thank you Alexander the Great. I get right on that crap NOW ;'D
So as not to tease and leave: For "Tub drains and shuts off," I first wrote "Tub drains and sh!ts off.
Thank you Alexander the Great. I get right on that crap NOW ;'D
So as not to tease and leave: For "Tub drains and shuts off," I first wrote "Tub drains and sh!ts off.
I add the LCB in the correct place, no problem there. It just seemed like it introduced it into the wash phase.
I'm not convinced these machines really do push "steam" through the clothes when using a steam-oriented cycle. I think it's just activating the internal water heater to bring the water up to a high temperature. That's my guess anyway.
I'm not convinced these machines really do push "steam" through the clothes when using a steam-oriented cycle. I think it's just activating the internal water heater to bring the water up to a high temperature. That's my guess anyway.
My guess as well. How is it really supposed to steam clothes anyway with no steam generator? Might work like on the FrigiLux washers that immerse just the heating element in some water and then steam clothes from below.
Alex
Alex
mickeyd
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John, you wrote in Post # 41
"I did add LCD to the proper area in the inner-left area of the pull-out dispenser, and it seems like it dispensed most of it right away. I thought it was supposed to introduce the LCB into the rinse cycle? "
I didn't mean that you put it in the wrong dispenser. What your wrote suggests you thought the machine added beach during the rinse; it doesn't ! Bleach always comes in during the wash cycle. I thought this was common knowledge, and I'm trying to show you bleach IS SUPPOSED TO go in during the wash phase.
Alex & John ~ I agree the stream seems like gimmickry, but the glass does get awfully hot, and I'm sure we'll all figure it out.
By the way, a thank you or at least an acknowledgment for the upgrade would be nice.
"I did add LCD to the proper area in the inner-left area of the pull-out dispenser, and it seems like it dispensed most of it right away. I thought it was supposed to introduce the LCB into the rinse cycle? "
I didn't mean that you put it in the wrong dispenser. What your wrote suggests you thought the machine added beach during the rinse; it doesn't ! Bleach always comes in during the wash cycle. I thought this was common knowledge, and I'm trying to show you bleach IS SUPPOSED TO go in during the wash phase.
Alex & John ~ I agree the stream seems like gimmickry, but the glass does get awfully hot, and I'm sure we'll all figure it out.
By the way, a thank you or at least an acknowledgment for the upgrade would be nice.
mickeyd
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The old bathtub shower hose head, close up
The March of the Water Nymphs
The March of the Water Nymphs
I'm sure we'll continue contributing to each other's progress in finding the ins & outs of these modern LG clothes washers.
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LG Machines
Are technically supposed to introduce, Chlorine Bleach, sometime during the last 10 minutes of the wash cycle. But, one finds, if you're not careful, and use more than 1/2 cup, it dispenses in seconds.
Honestly, I've found it easier, to just run another cycle, with Bleach as needed, than trust the dispenser. You really want the Detergent to have a go at the dirty laundry, before the bleach does. I think the Dispenser, was just simply poorly designed.
Are technically supposed to introduce, Chlorine Bleach, sometime during the last 10 minutes of the wash cycle. But, one finds, if you're not careful, and use more than 1/2 cup, it dispenses in seconds.
Honestly, I've found it easier, to just run another cycle, with Bleach as needed, than trust the dispenser. You really want the Detergent to have a go at the dirty laundry, before the bleach does. I think the Dispenser, was just simply poorly designed.
Whirlpools dispense the bleach during the first rinse. Naturally, if there's only one deep rinse, the bleach has to be dispensed during the wash - like Mieles do.
So, what happens with steam selected? Does it fill some and then tumble while heating? You might want to try this once with an empty drum (and maybe even the door open
) to see what exactly goes on.
So, what happens with steam selected? Does it fill some and then tumble while heating? You might want to try this once with an empty drum (and maybe even the door open
With regard to Allergiene, yes it fills and then tumbles, maybe slower than usual or maybe not, until it reaches the targeted temperature and then the turbojets activate and normal agitation ensues for however long the wash cycle is. That's my impression anyway. Other cycles with "steam" I can't comment on.
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Hello Roscoe, I read the manual which is unusually forthcoming about the inlets, making much ado about the filters, and the warning not to remove them. Now this is about filters not flow restrictors, about which there is no mention, nor any pix of them in the diagram. No scanner here, so I can't show you. Hope to find a way later.
John & Alex. Steam in progress; magic key in door lock, with door mostly closed by magnetized anti-mold device. I just opened the door, and the machine is full of steam, hard to perceive through the glass, but once the door is open, I got a nice facial.
John & Alex. Steam in progress; magic key in door lock, with door mostly closed by magnetized anti-mold device. I just opened the door, and the machine is full of steam, hard to perceive through the glass, but once the door is open, I got a nice facial.
mickeyd
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The steam just keeps billowing out
like a big boiling pot. Hard to see in pix but covincing in the flesh. Streaming up across control dial, over left panel scripts, up and over the dispenser drawer, ever upward.
like a big boiling pot. Hard to see in pix but covincing in the flesh. Streaming up across control dial, over left panel scripts, up and over the dispenser drawer, ever upward.
Nice!
How much time does Steam add on? Where does the steam come from - underneath the drum? Was there water in the drum? This happens before the actual wash cycle?
Alex
How much time does Steam add on? Where does the steam come from - underneath the drum? Was there water in the drum? This happens before the actual wash cycle?
Alex
inlet filters
are to be removed for cleaning only,removing them may cause leaks and malfunctions is what the manual says. It also warns of an error message if there is weak water pressure in the detergent drawer or a clogged inlet filter. There is a filter on the other side of the inlet filter, so I can't reason why this machine requires two filters, unless the orange filter is the actual restrictor?
are to be removed for cleaning only,removing them may cause leaks and malfunctions is what the manual says. It also warns of an error message if there is weak water pressure in the detergent drawer or a clogged inlet filter. There is a filter on the other side of the inlet filter, so I can't reason why this machine requires two filters, unless the orange filter is the actual restrictor?
mickeyd
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Nice!
Truly enlightening: it really works. I thought it was "The Emperor's New Clothes!" The whole house smelled like Persil because after I left the door open, the steam just kept pumping out. It was amazing.
The steam breathes forth from the top--I THINK--more study required.
Just the usual low level of about 2 & 1/2 gallons--but that was without anything in the drum to absorb any water. Guessing that a load would have been wet but not sloshing.
The Allergeine cycle time was 136. Don't know about the Steam buzzer pressed for other cycles; haven't tried.
Hey, Thanks, there's a lot here to learn. Now I'm really interested where before I was a doubting Thomas.
Truly enlightening: it really works. I thought it was "The Emperor's New Clothes!" The whole house smelled like Persil because after I left the door open, the steam just kept pumping out. It was amazing.
The steam breathes forth from the top--I THINK--more study required.
Just the usual low level of about 2 & 1/2 gallons--but that was without anything in the drum to absorb any water. Guessing that a load would have been wet but not sloshing.
The Allergeine cycle time was 136. Don't know about the Steam buzzer pressed for other cycles; haven't tried.
Hey, Thanks, there's a lot here to learn. Now I'm really interested where before I was a doubting Thomas.
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Laughing
Hey Alex, the next time I have people over who have terrible gas and flatulence, I'll run down and do a door open Allergieeeeeeeeene!
Hey Alex, the next time I have people over who have terrible gas and flatulence, I'll run down and do a door open Allergieeeeeeeeene!
Real steam! My Frigidaire simply heats the water and tumbles for an extra 20 minutes. Granted, this helps remove stains, but not because of steam, per se. It's the extra 20 minutes of tumble time that does the trick. Oh, and the 'steam' occurs during the 1st rinse, not the wash cycle on my washer.
Thanks for the photos and further investigations into the LG's many features, mickeyd.
Thanks for the photos and further investigations into the LG's many features, mickeyd.
mickeyd
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Real Steam, Eugene. Imagine!!!
Last night I tried the Cold Wash, a cycle the booklet claims uses six motions: Tumbling, Rolling, Stepping, Scrubbing, Swing, and Filtration. Guessing that the rather violent back & forth agitator like swings of the tub describe the "Scrubbing" motion, but then what is "Swing" ? This was the first viewing. When I tried it before on another cycle none of this happened; the cycle must have been too short. For this Cold Wash experience, I used Cottons/Normal. Fun to watch. Definately movie worthy.
Wish I could pipeline you some steam.
Last night I tried the Cold Wash, a cycle the booklet claims uses six motions: Tumbling, Rolling, Stepping, Scrubbing, Swing, and Filtration. Guessing that the rather violent back & forth agitator like swings of the tub describe the "Scrubbing" motion, but then what is "Swing" ? This was the first viewing. When I tried it before on another cycle none of this happened; the cycle must have been too short. For this Cold Wash experience, I used Cottons/Normal. Fun to watch. Definately movie worthy.
Wish I could pipeline you some steam.
found five of the six motion. Filtration is missing and is s
Found five of the six motion. Filtration is missing and is the combined spin/spray to saturate the clothes with detergent solution.
Found five of the six motion. Filtration is missing and is the combined spin/spray to saturate the clothes with detergent solution.
mickeyd
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These illuminating vids are
Perfect, and the only reason this model can't show filtration is because it lacks the Turbo Jets.
Learning Curve:
So the rolling is slower tumbling. When I've seen this -- which I now recognize in hindsight -- thought I was just getting tired or that the light or the load was creating an optical illusion. The door was closed during the times of witnessing rolling.
And swing is simply slower scrubbing. Thanks !
So glad you found these and posted them, Alex. Many Thanks.
Watching scrubbing with water in the tub is impressive, dramatic, and memorable. With a direct drive motor, these moves are possible; just imagine trying to pull this off with belts and pulleys !
Wonder what the engineers will do to enhance direct drive moves is the years to come.
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Perfect, and the only reason this model can't show filtration is because it lacks the Turbo Jets.
Learning Curve:
So the rolling is slower tumbling. When I've seen this -- which I now recognize in hindsight -- thought I was just getting tired or that the light or the load was creating an optical illusion. The door was closed during the times of witnessing rolling.
And swing is simply slower scrubbing. Thanks !
So glad you found these and posted them, Alex. Many Thanks.
Watching scrubbing with water in the tub is impressive, dramatic, and memorable. With a direct drive motor, these moves are possible; just imagine trying to pull this off with belts and pulleys !
Wonder what the engineers will do to enhance direct drive moves is the years to come.
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I wonder if the ColdWash cycle is too hard on fabric and wear & tear on the machine? This might be excessive conservatism but I avoid it, though must admit it really is cool to watch the few times I've tried it myself.
I do have an extended warranty on mine so I might as well use it but I still can't help but be cautious, it's in my nature.
I do have an extended warranty on mine so I might as well use it but I still can't help but be cautious, it's in my nature.
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Wondered the same things too. but for blue jeans and trail biking clothes, and rags, I'm going to use this thrashing Cold Wash Option. Seeing it once I was convinced.
Cheating though because the water entering through the cold line will be HOT. That arrangement should really give the this machine a vintage top loading-like edge.
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Rinse Lovers & Super Wash on the LG
Just found out that the Speed Wash cycle does not spin between extra rinses, either, just as it does not spin between the wash and single rinse on the preset cycle. In this regard, it works just like the GE Combo which rinses three times and then spins for the first and only time. (Other LG cycles do.)
So I found a new favorite cycle, kind of like a Super Wash. Select Speed Wash + one extra rinse. You get the selected wash time --I used Heavy Soil-- the gallon cool down, the quick drain which stops immediately when the pump senses a decrease in pressure, a refill, rinse, drain, refill rinse, spin. Fast & furious. Good for higher sudsers like Persil Liquid and when you want lots of washing, and no load sensing or long spin distributions.
John, when you next do a wash would you see if the Speed Wash keeps the heat on when selecting max wash time, and when your meter says the power throttles back. From you I eared that the Speed Wash heats. Although I had a dim awareness that the load coming out was usually warm, I thought it was because I was rigging the incoming cold line. And since it is a coil, and the fine fill begins at once, maybe it is heating the rinse water, if only partially and residually. So, see when the heat goes on and off during Speed. Thanks.
Just found out that the Speed Wash cycle does not spin between extra rinses, either, just as it does not spin between the wash and single rinse on the preset cycle. In this regard, it works just like the GE Combo which rinses three times and then spins for the first and only time. (Other LG cycles do.)
So I found a new favorite cycle, kind of like a Super Wash. Select Speed Wash + one extra rinse. You get the selected wash time --I used Heavy Soil-- the gallon cool down, the quick drain which stops immediately when the pump senses a decrease in pressure, a refill, rinse, drain, refill rinse, spin. Fast & furious. Good for higher sudsers like Persil Liquid and when you want lots of washing, and no load sensing or long spin distributions.
John, when you next do a wash would you see if the Speed Wash keeps the heat on when selecting max wash time, and when your meter says the power throttles back. From you I eared that the Speed Wash heats. Although I had a dim awareness that the load coming out was usually warm, I thought it was because I was rigging the incoming cold line. And since it is a coil, and the fine fill begins at once, maybe it is heating the rinse water, if only partially and residually. So, see when the heat goes on and off during Speed. Thanks.
Saw a video on YT where someone pressed Delay and Spin Speed and the washer displayed the drum speed. Does that work on yours as well?
Fast-forward to 12:12. By the way, the Atomising Rinse seems weak on this one. Low water presssure?
Fast-forward to 12:12. By the way, the Atomising Rinse seems weak on this one. Low water presssure?
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Hey Alex, Hello!
Well it'll sure be great fun to try especially since the other day when I selected medium speed it looked to be going like a banshee at 1200 and I thought good Lord does this only spin at one speed, a million miles an hour. Thanks for the tip so I can find out.
In that video, either the sound was perfection or that's one big a$$ machine, The Titanium, with a bigger, louder pump and louder percussives everywhere due to the size. Easy to recognize, that's the big 5.2 cubic feet LG which the lady at Best Buy tried to sell me the day I went looking for Big Red which turned out to be unavailable. She was so funny explaining that she had the 3.5 machine but not in cherry red and that she was saving up money so that she could buy this great big giant beast because it can wash 77 towels or something. Hyperbole, mine. It would be fun to have if you're washing for an army but I had no desire to get that great big beast. Yet, seeing it perform live.........
Alex, you know what I think they've done with the spray on this bigger machine? I think they've narrowed the flume so that the spray is not as expansive but it's more focused, narrowed, and maybe even stronger due to the nearly 2/5's increase in tub size. In person the Titanium tub is cavernous.
Well it'll sure be great fun to try especially since the other day when I selected medium speed it looked to be going like a banshee at 1200 and I thought good Lord does this only spin at one speed, a million miles an hour. Thanks for the tip so I can find out.
In that video, either the sound was perfection or that's one big a$$ machine, The Titanium, with a bigger, louder pump and louder percussives everywhere due to the size. Easy to recognize, that's the big 5.2 cubic feet LG which the lady at Best Buy tried to sell me the day I went looking for Big Red which turned out to be unavailable. She was so funny explaining that she had the 3.5 machine but not in cherry red and that she was saving up money so that she could buy this great big giant beast because it can wash 77 towels or something. Hyperbole, mine. It would be fun to have if you're washing for an army but I had no desire to get that great big beast. Yet, seeing it perform live.........
Alex, you know what I think they've done with the spray on this bigger machine? I think they've narrowed the flume so that the spray is not as expansive but it's more focused, narrowed, and maybe even stronger due to the nearly 2/5's increase in tub size. In person the Titanium tub is cavernous.
Hi Mickey (I hope you don't mind me calling you that?),
I believe the internal heater goes off the moment it starts draining the Wash water. Quite sure I've actually observed that during Speed Wash, and it's also true of ever other cycle. There is no warm rinse in these machines unless tinkered with as you and I have done in different ways. So at the default soil level, that's ~4 minutes of heat, or perhaps an increase in water temperature of 4-6 degrees F. Not really enough time to reach the soft target of 104F but it seems to get it into the lower 90's F. Increasing soil level allows the water heater more time to operate, potentially actually reaching 104F I suppose. I have actually observed that behavior, but don't recall if I measured the temperature, but yes current flow was 1050+ watts for all of the wash phase till it started draining.
It's for the reason you identified above that I don't like using Speed Wash. I'd rather not have much detergent left in the clothing, and the lazy Speed Wash rinse just don't have the time to do an efficacious rinse. Not to mention the high-agitation of the Wash phase is very pro-sudsing, and that sea foam persists well into the rinse cycle. I've had similar thoughts to you by the way, and performed it several times: load up on extra (deep) rinses, just a couple minutes each, and damn the water usage. It just seems extravagantly wasteful to me so I can't stomach it. Cotton/Normal or PP is just so much better at rinsing, and doesn't take that much longer (+15-20 minutes or so). But to each his own.
If you like scent, why not just try finding a liquid fabric softener you like? I find adding about half the recommended amount of Gain liquid fabric softener imparts a pleasant aroma that lasts for quite a while. I use Ultra Tide HE Original Scent powder from Costco and it's only weakly scented. Such a pity, as it's the most pleasant detergent fragrance IMO. Too bad there's no fabric softener counterpart to P&G Tide Original Scent.
I believe the internal heater goes off the moment it starts draining the Wash water. Quite sure I've actually observed that during Speed Wash, and it's also true of ever other cycle. There is no warm rinse in these machines unless tinkered with as you and I have done in different ways. So at the default soil level, that's ~4 minutes of heat, or perhaps an increase in water temperature of 4-6 degrees F. Not really enough time to reach the soft target of 104F but it seems to get it into the lower 90's F. Increasing soil level allows the water heater more time to operate, potentially actually reaching 104F I suppose. I have actually observed that behavior, but don't recall if I measured the temperature, but yes current flow was 1050+ watts for all of the wash phase till it started draining.
It's for the reason you identified above that I don't like using Speed Wash. I'd rather not have much detergent left in the clothing, and the lazy Speed Wash rinse just don't have the time to do an efficacious rinse. Not to mention the high-agitation of the Wash phase is very pro-sudsing, and that sea foam persists well into the rinse cycle. I've had similar thoughts to you by the way, and performed it several times: load up on extra (deep) rinses, just a couple minutes each, and damn the water usage. It just seems extravagantly wasteful to me so I can't stomach it. Cotton/Normal or PP is just so much better at rinsing, and doesn't take that much longer (+15-20 minutes or so). But to each his own.
If you like scent, why not just try finding a liquid fabric softener you like? I find adding about half the recommended amount of Gain liquid fabric softener imparts a pleasant aroma that lasts for quite a while. I use Ultra Tide HE Original Scent powder from Costco and it's only weakly scented. Such a pity, as it's the most pleasant detergent fragrance IMO. Too bad there's no fabric softener counterpart to P&G Tide Original Scent.
mickeyd
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Not at all.
That was my aunt Lenore's name who indulged my love for washing machines by letting me do the laundry with her in a vintage Easy spin. Honored to have her name as my Aworg handle.
When you select Heavy Soil on Speed Wash, the cycle time increases from 15 to 25. See if you can gauge the temp after what should be approximately 14 minutes of heating, when you think of it or is convenient.
Yesterday was the first time I added one extra rinse** with Speed Wash, and I witnessed a most welcome surprise. After the drain, there was a nice long spray rinse while the machine TUMBLED. Always like that classic maneuver in front loaders, but it seems to have disappeared in the contemporary washers. All other spray rinses on this LG have occur during spin. It was very interesting and satisfying to watch it spray while tumbling. Then the drama increased. As soon as the spray stopped, the jets went on and the fill began. So many different water sounds with the tumbling starting and stopping. Total Washer Heaven.
I did another load using this custom made Super Wash, and it did the same thing. Mindful of water waste -- you're reading my mind ;'D -- after the LG did its new trick, I aborted the second rinse, and selected spin which gives the default cotton version of 18 minutes, at least 10 of which fly at 1200 RPM's; the load was really, really dry. This Red Lady is full of surprises. I wonder what will come next.
Thank you, John
** (Using Persil Pearls, there is little-to-no sudsing.)
That was my aunt Lenore's name who indulged my love for washing machines by letting me do the laundry with her in a vintage Easy spin. Honored to have her name as my Aworg handle.
When you select Heavy Soil on Speed Wash, the cycle time increases from 15 to 25. See if you can gauge the temp after what should be approximately 14 minutes of heating, when you think of it or is convenient.
Yesterday was the first time I added one extra rinse** with Speed Wash, and I witnessed a most welcome surprise. After the drain, there was a nice long spray rinse while the machine TUMBLED. Always like that classic maneuver in front loaders, but it seems to have disappeared in the contemporary washers. All other spray rinses on this LG have occur during spin. It was very interesting and satisfying to watch it spray while tumbling. Then the drama increased. As soon as the spray stopped, the jets went on and the fill began. So many different water sounds with the tumbling starting and stopping. Total Washer Heaven.
I did another load using this custom made Super Wash, and it did the same thing. Mindful of water waste -- you're reading my mind ;'D -- after the LG did its new trick, I aborted the second rinse, and selected spin which gives the default cotton version of 18 minutes, at least 10 of which fly at 1200 RPM's; the load was really, really dry. This Red Lady is full of surprises. I wonder what will come next.
Thank you, John
** (Using Persil Pearls, there is little-to-no sudsing.)
mickeyd
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I agree about the wonderful scent of Tide HE Original. It was my go to detergent for everything except whites for which I used Tide's Bleach version, until I discovered Persil. Don't know how long this Persil infatuation will last or if it is permanent. Yes, it would be wonderful if Tide made softener in their original scent.
Somewhere in a lab way back in a forgotten cupboard is the long lost vial of Original Gain Powder Perfume. When they find that first scent from long ago, I'll come running.
Thanks for the wash water temp check. Guessing 110.
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