"Studies in the LGeeee" aka, WILD TURBO PIX

[mickeyd]

These illuminating vids are

 

 

Perfect, and the only reason this model can't show filtration is because it lacks the Turbo Jets.

 

Learning Curve:

 

So the rolling is slower tumbling. When I've seen this -- which I now recognize in hindsight -- thought I was just getting tired or that the light or the load was creating an optical illusion.  The door was closed during the times of witnessing rolling.  

 

And swing is simply slower scrubbing. Thanks !

 

So glad you found these and posted them, Alex. Many Thanks.

 

Watching scrubbing with water in the tub is impressive, dramatic, and memorable. With a direct drive motor, these moves are possible; just imagine trying to pull this off with belts and pulleys !

Wonder what the engineers will do to enhance direct drive moves is the years to come.

 

 

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[johnmk]

I wonder if the ColdWash cycle is too hard on fabric and wear & tear on the machine? This might be excessive conservatism but I avoid it, though must admit it really is cool to watch the few times I've tried it myself.

I do have an extended warranty on mine so I might as well use it but I still can't help but be cautious, it's in my nature.

 

[mickeyd]

 

 

Wondered the same things too. but for blue  jeans and trail biking clothes, and rags, I'm going to use this thrashing Cold Wash Option. Seeing it once I was convinced.

Cheating though because the water entering through  the cold line will be HOT. That arrangement should really give the  this machine a vintage top loading-like edge. 

 

[mickeyd]

Rinse Lovers & Super Wash on the LG

Just found out that the Speed Wash cycle does not spin between extra rinses, either, just as it does not spin between the wash and single rinse on the preset cycle.   In this regard, it works just like the GE Combo which rinses three times and then spins for the first and only time. (Other  LG cycles do.)

 

So I found a new favorite  cycle, kind of like a Super Wash. Select Speed Wash + one extra rinse. You get the selected wash time --I used Heavy Soil-- the gallon cool down, the quick drain which stops immediately when the pump senses a decrease in pressure, a refill, rinse, drain, refill rinse, spin. Fast & furious. Good for higher sudsers like Persil Liquid and when you want lots of washing, and no load sensing or long spin distributions. 

 

John, when you next do a wash would you see if the Speed Wash keeps the heat on when selecting max wash time, and when your meter says the power throttles back.  From you I eared that the Speed Wash heats.  Although I had a dim awareness that the load coming out was usually warm, I thought it was because I was rigging the incoming cold line.  And since it is a coil, and the fine fill begins at once, maybe it is heating the rinse water, if only partially and residually.  So, see when the heat goes on and off during Speed. Thanks.

 

[logixx]

Saw a video on YT where someone pressed Delay and Spin Speed and the washer displayed the drum speed. Does that work on yours as well?

Fast-forward to 12:12. By the way, the Atomising Rinse seems weak on this one. Low water presssure?

 

[mickeyd]

Hey Alex, Hello!

 

Well it'll sure be great  fun to try especially since the other day when I selected medium speed it looked to be going like a banshee at 1200 and I thought good Lord does this only spin at one speed, a million miles an hour. Thanks for the tip so I can find out.

 

In that video, either the sound was perfection or that's one big a$$ machine, The Titanium,  with a bigger,  louder pump and louder percussives everywhere due to the size. Easy to recognize,  that's the big 5.2 cubic feet LG which the lady at Best Buy tried to sell me the day I went looking for Big Red which turned out to be  unavailable. She was so funny explaining that  she had the 3.5 machine but not in cherry red and that she was saving up money so that she could buy this great big giant beast because it can wash 77 towels or something. Hyperbole, mine. It would be fun to have if you're washing for an army but I had no  desire to get that great big beast. Yet, seeing it perform live.........

 

Alex,  you know what I think they've done with the spray on this bigger machine?  I think they've narrowed the flume so that the spray is not as expansive but it's more focused, narrowed, and maybe even stronger due to the nearly 2/5's increase in tub size.  In person the Titanium tub is cavernous.

 

 

 

[johnmk]

Hi Mickey (I hope you don't mind me calling you that?),

I believe the internal heater goes off the moment it starts draining the Wash water. Quite sure I've actually observed that during Speed Wash, and it's also true of ever other cycle. There is no warm rinse in these machines unless tinkered with as you and I have done in different ways. So at the default soil level, that's ~4 minutes of heat, or perhaps an increase in water temperature of 4-6 degrees F. Not really enough time to reach the soft target of 104F but it seems to get it into the lower 90's F. Increasing soil level allows the water heater more time to operate, potentially actually reaching 104F I suppose. I have actually observed that behavior, but don't recall if I measured the temperature, but yes current flow was 1050+ watts for all of the wash phase till it started draining.

It's for the reason you identified above that I don't like using Speed Wash. I'd rather not have much detergent left in the clothing, and the lazy Speed Wash rinse just don't have the time to do an efficacious rinse. Not to mention the high-agitation of the Wash phase is very pro-sudsing, and that sea foam persists well into the rinse cycle. I've had similar thoughts to you by the way, and performed it several times: load up on extra (deep) rinses, just a couple minutes each, and damn the water usage. It just seems extravagantly wasteful to me so I can't stomach it. Cotton/Normal or PP is just so much better at rinsing, and doesn't take that much longer (+15-20 minutes or so). But to each his own.

If you like scent, why not just try finding a liquid fabric softener you like? I find adding about half the recommended amount of Gain liquid fabric softener imparts a pleasant aroma that lasts for quite a while. I use Ultra Tide HE Original Scent powder from Costco and it's only weakly scented. Such a pity, as it's the most pleasant detergent fragrance IMO. Too bad there's no fabric softener counterpart to P&G Tide Original Scent.

 

[mickeyd]

Not at all.

That was my aunt Lenore's name who indulged my love for washing machines by letting me do the laundry with her in a vintage Easy spin.  Honored to have her name as my Aworg handle.

 

When you select Heavy Soil on Speed Wash, the cycle time increases from 15 to 25.  See if you can gauge the temp after what should be approximately 14 minutes of heating, when you think of it or is convenient.

 

Yesterday was the first time I added one extra rinse** with Speed Wash, and I witnessed a most welcome surprise. After the drain, there was a  nice long  spray rinse while the machine TUMBLED. Always like that classic maneuver in front loaders, but it seems to have disappeared in the contemporary washers.  All other spray rinses on this LG have occur during spin. It was very interesting and satisfying to watch it spray while tumbling. Then the drama increased. As soon as the spray stopped, the jets went on and the fill began. So many different water sounds with the tumbling starting and stopping. Total Washer Heaven.

 

I did another load using this custom made Super Wash, and it did the same thing.  Mindful of water waste  -- you're reading my mind ;'D --  after the LG did its new trick, I aborted the second rinse, and selected spin which gives the default cotton version of 18 minutes, at least 10 of which fly at 1200 RPM's; the load was really, really dry. This  Red Lady is full of surprises. I wonder what will come next.

 

Thank you, John

 

** (Using Persil Pearls, there is little-to-no sudsing.) 

 

[johnmk]

I'll try that presently, Mickey. Just about to do a smallish load of colors -- I'll add an extra rinse and wash at peak soil level.

 

[mickeyd]

 

 

I agree about the wonderful scent of Tide HE Original. It was my go to detergent for everything except whites for which I used Tide's Bleach version, until I discovered Persil.  Don't  know how long this Persil infatuation will last or if it is permanent. Yes, it would be wonderful if Tide made softener in their original scent. 

 

Somewhere in a lab way back in a forgotten cupboard is the long lost vial of Original Gain Powder Perfume. When they find that first scent from long ago, I'll come running. 

 

Thanks for the wash water temp check. Guessing 110.

 

[johnmk]

Speed Wash(Hot) / Heavy Soil / Turbo Wash.

Internal heater stopped heating right at the moment the drain pump engaged -- temperature at that time was 98 Fahrenheit. At no other point have I ever seen the internal heater kick in, so only wash, never rinse cycles. I forgot to measure the initial fill of warm water (as you know, even though Hot was selected as temp, LGs still fill with only luke-warmish water), so based upon previous experience I'd estimate the fill temp to be right around 86-90F. I'm definitely seeing the atomizer engaging at the end of the wash cycle, perhaps as a suds suppresor?, and during the spinning/water-extraction phase to aid in rinsing. By the way, I always use the Turbo Wash option when I use Speed Wash. Not sure if you're doing that or not. It's not default, not sure why not.

 

[mickeyd]

An optimist here, and knowing that the heater would stop at the end of the wash, I was thinking more along the lines of residuals. The coil would need to cool and would probably not cool during the one minute drain before the subsequent rinse fill, and that therefore some "residual" heating of the rinse water would occur during Speed Wash which would be improbable in other cycles because of the 8 or so minute distribution before the spin. Little chance of any heat remaining in the coil, then.

I love this. Thank You.

On mine, the Turbo is preset with Speed Wash. Later model, maybe? UNLESS, I accidentally programmed it early on, working the buttons. Interesting.

Even though my cold line can be set to hot, with only two gallons coming in on most wash cycles, and no way to pre-purge the lines, it is still hard to get tank hot water, but here's a trick:

Let the machine do its cold/ hot alternation protocol, then drain the tub, and you should get tank hot water if you can adapt your cold line or turn it off.

Tried get a pic of the tumble spray, but the door would not open for me to insert the magic key; hence the glare and streaming. Next time.

 

[johnmk]

We see how gradual (borderline ineffective) the internal water heater is, at 1000 watts. Any residual heat in the coil is massively overwhelmed by the fact that any 120v clothes washer internal heater is next to useless as is: 1 degree F per minute that it's on. And that's while it's ON! I see what you're saying tho. It would be hard to test I think given that some heat remains in the material of the washer/clothes/non-drained water so who knows where the inertia come from. The times where I've tested the temperature of the rinse phase after an internal-heater assisted Bright Whites cycle have shown rinse temps in the range of 70-75F, which is about 10 degrees higher than my tap water temperature right now. Haven't ever done that for Speed Wash. Do you have an infrared thermometer?

 

[johnmk]

1000 watts . . . that's the same power as the internal water heater in my Keurig coffee maker. And that takes a couple minutes to reach boiling, heating just a smidgen of water.

How I envy Europeans with their 240v utopia!

 

[jetcone]

wow Mikey

that looks like a water-rich machine for sure! How long does the spray keep up? Whole cycle, part of cycle, beginning of cycle?

 

 

[logixx]

No need to get overly excited about the 240V heater. While these put out +/- 2000 watts, heating still takes its time. The manual of my Duet says, it'll wash 13 lbs. on the Mixed Items (Normal) cycle at 104F. Well, no. If I really put that much clothes in there, the heater won't get the water up to temp during to 25-minute main wash cycle. Once the timer displays 30 minutes remaining, the heater will click off and the drain pump comes on. It wasn't a problem when I still had the washer connected to hot and cold, as the ATC is set to achieve 104F in the tub during the fill stage. The only way to avoid it is to select another cycle (no soil level selection on Mixed Items), load less clothes in there or dump hot water in the washer once the load-sensing is done.

I wish I had one of these V-Zug washers. 3500 watts heating power... just like in the good ol' days.

I'm still thinking that there must be a way to get the LG to display the current tub temp. Just keep on pressing them buttoms!

 

[mickeyd]

John & Jon Charles

Rarely use the Bright Whites. Not surprised that you've found the rinse water to be ten degrees higher than tap cold even after the high speed spin after the wash. Residuals are interesting and subtle, coming to my attention when I moved into this house with baseboard hot  water heating.  It's been a constant source of fascination, even with barely a candle heating the LG's meager two gallons of wash water on the regular cycles. When I use Sanitary for white loads, the draining wash water is scalding hot, so that little bugger takes its time, but in the end does the job. Sanitary is about an hour and a half, heating for maybe 60 minutes--guessing.  Try sanitary for really hot water. No thermometer here.   Should I call you John? No name given in profile 

 

Jon, the spray is just under a minute--have gotten to the count of 50, using the one thousand, two thousand, three thousand method. (Must get timer and thermometer)

 

Two sprays in final spin. When they come depends on cycle. On Speed Wash, they enter at minute 5 & 3, remaining. More sprays occur depending on the cycle and the extra rinses selected. The LG computer truly has a mind of its own and seems to do any damn thing it pleases, lol.

 

You've got to get one of these, Jon. You'd have a ball. And with all your meters and equipment, you could do definitive water use studies.  Haven't written it out yet, but my thesis was that LG has copied every favorite and well-known maneuver from all the vintage washing machines we know and love. Someone at LG has spent a lot of time in the Imperial Archives of Aworg.

 

[mickeyd]

Alex & Jon

 

 

Jon Charles ~

 

Here's a link to the movie Dennis & I made showing the water richness.

 

Alex ~

 

I haven't tried the buttons yet,  and I would also love a "real" heater to do a classic European Boil Wash, but this teeny LG "buffet warmer"  is very satisfying for someone who has had NO heater ever before. 

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http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWBbVHVHQc

 

[johnmk]

These washing machines are very water efficient. Just enough water to fully saturate the clothing and give the detergent something to dissolve into. IMO, the default water levels are not too much, not too little. Goldilocks.

 

[mickeyd]

A Paradigm Shift heralded by Frigilux.

 

 

 The whole hope and effort is to launder the load in as little water as possible. First for conservation of a diminishing natural resource ( see HBO's  "Vice" piece on Texas Drought or the PBS  "Nature"  edition about Beavers -- both currently available), and second to get the laundry clean. With minimal water the laundry rises all the way to the top and falls with the full weight and force of a wet towel -- not possible in a  vintage amount of water.  It works, especially with the constant saturation by the turbojets. There is nothing new about this method when you understand it as a refinement of rock pounding and washboard washing used for centuries. 

 

The rinse uses twice as much for dilution, etc., and since the load is clean,  the heavy falling and thrashing is no longer necessary which cannot happen anyway in the high volume of water used for rinsing.   

 

It takes some getting used to, especially for a dyed-in-the-wool TL Codger like myself.  But seeing is believing, and I am convinced. The clothes are clean, washed effectively in just over two gallons of water. To put it into perspective, my 18 pound Norge took almost two gallons just to fill the lower regions before you could see any water at all in the tub, and then another 18 gallons to wash, which it did marvelously just like the LG does.