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One: We none of us, and that includes the federal government knows what Mr.Spitzer did with the escort he arranged to have sent to Washington DC. All the wiretap gives is that Mr. Spitzer set up the meeting, for all we know the man could have sat there and read Proust in a corset while she tickled his feet. What the man did or did not do will come to light later, though one can make certian assumptions given the nature of work the agency provided, there is no acutal proof.

Two: Mr. Spitzer's woes are not just because of his liason with a known tart, but rather for a man who has built his reputation on some rather high morals, and preaching them to others, he should have cleaned up his own back garden before wagging is finger at others. One heard the trading floor on Wall Street erupted into cheers this afternoon when the story broke and was flashed upon screens. Mr. Spitzer as then attorney general lead a nasty and morally high grounded attack on Wall Street firms, so now it rather is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Mr. Spitzer also forced out of office Mr. Alan Hevesi, for some minor infraction that probably more than half of those in elected office within NYS are guilty of. This despite the man was re-elected by a vast majority even months after the story was played out. Mr. Spitzer hounded Mr. Hevesi with a zealous district attorney hand picked to do a hatchet job. It was made clear what was wanted was a felony conviction or guilty plea to the same, for with that Mr. Hevesi would be banned from holding elected office, sitting on a company board of directors, working as an accountant, or anything else of consequence; in short the aim was to break and ruin the man and his family, and Mr. Spitzer suceeded.

It was said at the time, Mr. Spitzer's fortunes were tied to Mr. Hevesi's and his is now quite true. For the same sword that the former used to slay the latters career, is the same one he shall have to fall upon.

One does not go around poking at Mr. Bruno and others in government on matters of ethics, and promising to "clean up Albany" on that point, if one's own house is in disorder.

It does not matter what one thinks of the laws regarding prostitution. The laws are on the books and Mr. Spitzer (as both a prosecutor and district attorney), made quite name for himself sending prostitutes and such away. So now we are to believe this is a one time dalliance?

Am for one gladly waiting for the morning newspapers, it may be the most interesting coverage in that media since 9/12/01.

Oh and by the way, took a walk to Mr. Spitzer's building, and as one would expect the area is mobbed by the media. Light up like Rockerfeller Center at Christmas, it must be horrible for those living in the building, indeed the area as getting in and out means going under the glare of cameras and lights.

L.
 
~Mr. Spitzer's woes are not just because of his liason with a known tart, but rather for a man who has built his reputation on * some rather high morals, and preaching them to others, he should have cleaned up his own back garden before wagging is finger at others.

*professing to

Hyprocrites are especially delicious to the homosexual community, in that we know very well what the rules are and the fairy tales that exist as to sexuality [Cleopatra is not the only one living on,in and near de-Nile].

But we also know the reality of what actually goes on, in that (American) society wants to believe we don't and should not exist. FEH! Our very survivial is predicated on cutting through the words and phony-ness and getting to the reality of the issue.

In a word, we tend to be generally very fine-tuned to recognizing bullshit; and any smoke-screen of anyone trying to cover his trail is extremely obvious to us. But that is just my ridiuculous personal opinion.

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Spitzer should resign if proven guilty~

"The Republicans are gonna make such hay with this".

Oh, Please...Like the Republican Party is stand bearer for what is moral and just. They have lost ALL credibility with the American public as a whole.

Let's not forget...........

Rep. Bob Ney (R)- Ohio
Rep. Curt Weldon (R)- Pennsylvania
Rep. Don Sherwood (R)- Pennsylvania
Rep. Mark Foley (R)- Florida
Rep. Rick Renzi (R)- Arizona
Rep. John Sweeney (R)- New York
Rep. Tom DeLay- (R) Texas
Rep. Duke Cunningham (R)- California
Sen. Conrad Burns- (R)- Montana
Sen. David Vitter- (R)- Louisiana
Sen. Larry Craig- (R)- Idaho
Sen. Ted Stevens- (R)- Alaska
I. Scooter Libby- (R)- Former Chief of Staff for Cheney.
Gov. John G Rowland (R)- Connecticut

All have either been accused, convicted or forced from office within the last 5 years due to scandal. Today's Republican party is a joke and American's have finally caught on. There is a reason the Democratic Party has outraised Republicans 3-1 during the primaries and my guess is they will continue to do so in the general election. People are FED up!

Runematic- Thanks so much for making me realize why I vote Democratic. To think I was actually considering backing McCain should Hillary not win the nomination. I think I am going to give Obama a second look. The Republican party does not deserve to retain power at any branch of the Federal Government, local government for that matter also.
They have to prove themselves all over again to the American public and guess what??
They have ONE person to thank for all their problems..His name is George W. Bush. ( The WORST President in American History)!
 
Quick Anastasia Beaverhausen, make a run for it!

~it must be horrible for those living in the building, indeed the area as getting in and out means going under the glare of cameras and lights.

The poor unfortunate dears may have to use the servants' service entrance. Or maybe they won't be able to go out to dinner as easily or get a delivery of same. Pity; they will have to ask their maid to make something for them or show them how to open a can or tuna.

*LOL* Who luv's ya baby? La vie est dur, n'est ce pas?
Just busting ovaries.

I don't give a rat's @$$ where he sticks it. But one should shut their damn mouth (ESPECIALLY AS A PUBLIC FIGURE) about the splinters in others' eyes when there is a log in their own.

Now is it me, or is that Jesus on the cross in the background with no judgement and nothing to say on the issue?

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Just So Everyone Knows

Read the newspapers tomorrow or Google for the full story. This is not an isolated event, and as details are released, it appears the escort agency busted last week in NY was an off shoot of an investigation into Mr. Spitzer.

You see, someone tipped off the IRS lastyear that Mr. Spitzer was moving large sums of money around. The IRS in turn notified the FBI because there was concerns that as public offical Mr. Spitzer was taking bribes or some other nasty business for an elected offical to be involved with. Through wiretaps and email/text "taps" it became clear where Mr. Spitzer's money was going, and why he was moving those funds.

Nearly everyone in NYC, and can assume much everywhere else of a certian income status, employs accountants to manage their financial affairs. Pay and other funds are deposited with said persons, and they in turn pay bills ranging from laundry to the servant's salaries, to taxes. Because they also prepare one's taxes, they have to account for where funds go. So if one requests say $10,000, they of course will provide, but an entry must be made as to where the funds are going. Being an elected offical, Mr. Spitzer's taxes would be released to NYS, another reason for his accountants to keep good books.

This explains the media reports of Mr. Spitzer having to go to banks and such to fund his dalliances. Funds probably were not taken from an account either Mrs. Spitzer or even the accountants were aware of. Mrs. Spitzer as well would probably have queried numerous withdrawals from any joint account for several thousand dollars on an ongoing basis. No man gives that kind of money to any woman he is not sleeping with, and Mr.Spitzer probably knew there wouldn't be away to explain.

This little affiar probably has been going on for along time, at least a year, who knows how much longer. Really is sad to think that at the same time the man was putting away girls for "escorting" he was also summoning them to provide the same services.

Oh yes, word is Mr. Spitzer will resign within the next few days, if not tomorrow.
 
Anastasia Beverhausen Is On The Case

Have some big dark sunglasses could lend Mrs. Spitzer, along with a nice big trench coat or even a fur. Then there are some scarves as well. Pity large hats with veils are no longer in fashion, or even widows weeds. *LOL*

It is his children and wife one really feels sorry for, especiall the children. They have school tomorrow (if they go), and it will be just too horrible for them to face things. How does one go from being at the top of the school's social order as the child of the highest man in the state, to having one's name dragged though a sorrid nasty scandal. It really is too bad.

Then there is the Spitzer name as well. Mr. Spitzer senior is a very powerful and wealthy real estate developer and property owner. Formally the highest honours were associated with that name due to young Mr. Spitzer, that is all but certainly all over now, as the name will be one of either execration or mirth depending upon which circle it is mentioned. Again, it really is too bad.
 
Laundress,

I agree with you about his family. They don't deserve the mud-raking and nastiness which they will be going through.
Especially not his poor wife.

That said, when I said "tailing", perhaps I used the wrong word. After the Federal Prosecutor scandals and the Governor Siegelman affair, it seems to me very realistic to assume that the Republicans would be out looking for any and every possible weakness.

Not saying there aren't Democrats with similar disgusting habits, just, not since Tricky Dicky and Co. has anything even come close to what has gone on since 2000.
To me, the only relevant question is, did he mis-use public funds for personal advantage? If, as appears (I haven't read the NY tabloids yet, I need that first morning pot of coffee to even tackle the NY-Times, much less turn on the screen wipers for the Post) to be the case, he really was 'only' paying for the lady's time, then the matter is between him and his wife.

Granted, the hypocrisy is pretty bad. But, gosh, he's a politician...you aren't dealing with a used car salesman here, so you mustn't expect too much.

By the by, here in Germany, our own politicians love to sell themselves as purer than the new-driven snow. Just in my province, Bavaria, over the last few years we have had the anti-gay, anti-protestant, anti-abortion, anti-single mother benefit, anti-immigrant, anti-you-name-it Minister of the Interior resign because she got caught diddling her State provided driver. Another ultra-super-Catholic Saint in the making divorced his mentally ill wife and left her for a much (much much much) younger woman after knocking her up. Then tried to have his now ex-wife denied her share of their considerable fortune.)
It's the same all over the world. We don't get so upset about these things here because we have other double morals, but let's face it. The louder someone protests how much he hates gays and prostitutes, the more likely he is to be speaking from copious experience in the matter.
 
Actually Mr. Spitzer is in trouble on several fronts:

First is a possible violation of the Mann Act, which makes transporting or causing the transportation of another person across state lines for a lewd or illegal purpose a felony.

Next, there is the problem of the funds he was shifting around to pay for his dalliances. Early reports are Mr. Spitzer could face some sort of money laundering or some such charges. No one has said where the funds were coming from to pay for these ladies, but if it was from accounts that were not his own personal accounts...

Finally there are the "sex" charges, which would be hard to prove unless one or any of the women involved testify under oath they engaged in relations with Mr. Spitzer in exchange for funds. This would be a long shot since the women would be confessing to a crime, so unless they are going to be offered some sort of immunity, there is no way to prove any thing on that score.

What is simply boils down to is public perception; you cannot have the highest man in New York State, arranging meetings with escorts, no matter who is paying.

Oh there is another problem for Mr. Spitzer, the New York Bar Association. Depending upon how all this plays out, they could bring charges against Mr. Spitzer which could result in him loosing his law license
 
I believe the most serious charge he faces could be

"structuring", that is, the purposeful manipulation of finances - even if each individual step of the way is legal - in order to conceal illegal activities.
That is one of those laws, similar to vagrancy or mis-use of the mails, which is there for prosecuting someone whose behavior is otherwise technically legal.
With all the problems the US faces, I wonder if this is really worth wasting time on. Of course, those wonderful, neutral, only interested in justice feds have been careful to release transcripts detailing that he insisted on "unsafe" practices and was a "difficult" client.
If he were a Republican, all he'd have to do is claim he'd "found Jesus" and all would be forgiven. See Vitter, for example.
Personally, I like many of his ideas, but his arrogance and "holier-than-thou" persecution (and I do mean persecution,not prosecution) of prostitutes in the past is a big part of this.
Of course folks are happy to see him get his comeuppance, but you have to ask yourself whether it isn't time to rethink priorities.
 
We he was smart enough to know he has to pay for it.

Launderess,

I also feel for the family, wife and children of Mr. Spitzer. Sadly, they will have to pay a price and suffer terribly for daddy's activitites.

People will never learn. The world is round; what you give you get.

If the Lawd can forgive all (but suicide) who in hell, and under what authority, are we to judge?
 
Runematic- Thanks so much for making me realize why I vote D

Shane, how did I do that? I was merely posting a story & made no political referrence either way. I just thought that Spitzer had gotten what he's given out. Repub, dem, who cares.

I saw this in an article this morning & thought that this was funny: QUOTE "Two law enforcement officials say that safety considerations mentioned in the affidavit related to Spitzer's preference to not wear a condom and insistence by the prostitute named Kristen that he wear one."
 
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This is not about Republican or Democrat, gay or straight, Bush or Obama, Europe vs America, Catholic or Protestant, or any other false dichotomy projected onto the situation by those of us who should know better.

It's not about the sex itself. I myself have paid for sex, hung about the salt mines to be paid for sex, and actually spent the better part of my college years working in a full-service dungeon, choosing to earn extra cash flogging Japanese bankers with oakleaf brooms over unloading Japanese cargo planes at JFK, because I hated long commutes and the A train, and the lunch options at the buffet were far nicer.

I'm neither shocked nor titillated by these latest revelations.

But here's my point (and I KNOW you've been dying for me to get to it, already...)

Spitzer was a mean, vile canker sore of a man, who used thuggish methods and referred to himself as the "f***ing Steamroller" and earned the emnity of New Yorkers of every political stripe for his conduct before any of this ever surfaced.

To those who believe this was a setup, take it from the aw.org member for whom life without a good conspiracy theory is like a squirrel without a nut. This was a bombshell, and, as Launderess alluded to earlier, these particular types of things simply don't work that way.

This was an ongoing investigation involving organized crime and the fact that this took over a week to surface, in scandal-ready New York, speaks volumes as to the lengths the Feds probably had to go to, to insure their dots and tees were crossed.

Shelly Silver COULD have been involved in some way, but it's highly unlikely that this particular method would have been used, for the simple reason that Silver knows the jig would be up for him as well (he is also quite unpopular and corrupt).

It's about the HYPOCRISY, people.

Eliot Spitzer built his career on an utterly manufactured, squeaky-clean image that most New Yorkers saw through immediately but disregarded simply because there were NO suitable Democratic political alternatives at the time.

A few years ago, before his sacred ascendancy to the throne, Spitzer himself prosecuted another high-profile prostitution ring in Staten Island, and you would have thought he was channeling Falwell, Dobson, and Roberts themselves, for all of his sanctimonious rectitude.

Much like Rudy, another mean, mean man who orchestrated his own fall from grace through his own hubris and corruption, he was elected largely because of the PERCEPTION that his prosecutorial career and his willingness to take on "the big boys" bought him respectability and street cred that the electorate was all too willing and desperate to at least rent for a fashion.

Runematic, please try to understand that we on the left side of the aisle are deeply divided over a very contentious presidential primary showdown, and many of us have a few nerves exposed right now.

In my opinion, we have been at the forefront of complaining about the denials and the apologetics we see from the right every time yet another hypocritical Republican candidate gets snagged.

I think, this time, we have to set an example, face the fact that Spitzer's transgressions and betrayal of the public trust (and it WAS such a betrayal, he completely left himself open for extortion attempts and the like, by dint of his position) reflect badly on the Democratic side, take ownership of it, and denounce it for the ethical (not moral) lapse that it is, for if we do not, do we not become that which we have ridiculed and despised?

I just think it's time to take the high road ourselves, be within, and stay above the fray.

Thanks for listening.
 
"With all the problems the US faces, I wonder if this is really worth wasting time on."

Panthera, this is the exact same rationale I recall hearing when impeachment was taken "off the table", and for all that "reaching across the aisle, for the good of the nation" that did us, it appears that, with all the infighting on the Democratic side, it's quite likely we will be saddled with McCain for our trouble.

IMHO, it is NEVER okay to sacrifice justice for the sake of political pragmatism and expedience. One can maybe COMPROMISE, but never sacrifice justice entirely and expect not to be rewarded in kind for it.
 
No glove, no love.

~It's about the HYPOCRISY, people.

Yeah and the desire to play without a condom. Now THAT is pompous, arrogant, risky, stupid and COMPLETELY disrespectful to all parties invoved, including the spouse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, NOTHING is more dangerous that a straight man looking for some side action. They take risks out of desperation that should NEVER EVER EVER HAPPEN.

He took matters into his own hand, alright, but not in the best possible, least hurtful interpretation of that sentence.
 
"What is simply boils down to is public perception; you cannot have the highest man in New York State, arranging meetings with escorts, no matter who is paying."

Thank you. We can do better than this.

There is also the little matter of how much these little bacchanals cost...the Mayflower? $3,500-$5,000 a pop (no pun intended)...

In the middle of a budget crisis, I'd have PREFERRED for him to wet his whistle on Staten Island...

At least Bill did us the decency of using property we already owned, and a girl willing to give it up for free...
 
"Yeah and the desire to play without a condom. Now THAT is pompous, arrogant, risky, stupid and COMPLETELY disrespectful to all parties invoved, including the spouse."

Yep, but I hear of such tales CONSTANTLY, and with little regard to the risks involved, and little sense of accountability or even shame.
 

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