Tide he Turbo

[frigilux]

I've used only the pod format, but am hoping someone will try the Turbo liquid or powder. The suds really do break down very quickly. My new daily driver!

Buyer beware: Look for the Turbo graphic on the front of the package.

 

[magic_clean]

Liquid Tide Original Turbo.........

recently running low on detergent, so I picked up some Tide Original in the latest Turbo HE version. The sudsing is very low and the bubbles break down quickly once the tumbling stops.

Washed a large load of cotton polyester oxford shirts, a windbreaker and couple pair of jeans......clothes are clean and no bubbles in the rinse. Very nice! Wash cycle pics attached..

L.P.

 

[mich]

I do wanna point out.

Tide's claim of time saving, assumes that a typical HE Machine is equipped with a suds sensor, that would trigger another rinse cycle. I have no idea about the typical rate of (HE) machines being equipped with suds sensors in the US. That's not really something I'm an expert on. And I'd love for you guys to chime in, with any statistics or ballpark figures on what you think it'd be. 

 

P&G I think, has good intentions and I like the fact that their trying to formulate detergents to rinse better.

 

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">With that said. I personally, am not completely convinced that all the detergent is really being rinsed away.</span>

 

And, I want to make a point. I don't think you can ever truly rinse something completely 100% away from a porous surface, a fabric. Fabrics soak up everything like a sponge. And I have a hard time believing you can ever fully rinse it all away, no matter what detergent you use. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tomturbomatic]

"The sudsing is very low and the bubbles break down quickly once the tumbling stops."

My question about this is: does this mean that the detergent will still foam up in the initial spin, but then the suds will collapse when the spin slows back to the distribution speed like in the surge-spins in the Speed Queen FL or does the overall low sudsing prevent foaming even in the spin after wash? The half and half mixture of Persil powder and STPP that I use for towels in the SQ does not cause sudsing problems at any stage of the cycle including during the surge-spins. It would be far more economical if I could use Tide.

Has anyone tested both the power and liquid formulations of Tide HE and noticed any differences in the sudsing propensities and patterns with potential problem loads like towels?

Thank you in advance.

 

[roscoe62]

Tide HE liquid / powder formulas

I've used both and always had a problem with the liquid, in particular towels, I have soft water and tried different dosages, even a teaspoon of liquid and a sudsing issue the second time around being washed, so I know it didn't rinse properly the first time.
Or the powder that was used prior to using the liquid was not rinsing clearly either, but using the powder there were no sudsing issues, and the same dosage, but that did not mean the detergent was rinsed well it may have been the impetus for the liquid to perform the way it did, I'm not certain, as towels do have a residue of soap, shampoo and shower gels.
I do remember Launderess has said to watch your dosage when using Tide liquid because there was a fine line with sudsing issues and dosage.

 

[teknikleespekng]

Liquid Tide HE Turbo

After reading this thread, I picked up a bottle - though I could only get the Clean Breeze (at Walmart no surprise).

Just a note that I have soft water.

I am really impressed. Low suds, water nice and slick. I normally use vinegar in my last rinse, but decided not to use it as a control. First load on whites (140 degree hot wash) and second on my alternative down queen comforter. Both loads came out clean with no soap residue, even under the boot.

When my local Sears hardware closed over a year ago, I stopped buying the Sears Ultra Plus and went with ALL. It does an okay job, but doesnt rinse very well and my whites are getting dingy.

For those that really like Tide, I'd say go buy a small bottle. Target has the better selection and the 50oz bottle is $6.50.

Im also considering buying a bottle of Persil Power-Perls, but that's another thread!

 

[magic_clean]

Large White cotton load

of Bath & hand towels, wash cloths, tub mat, briefs, T-shirts, athletic socks and a handful of cleaning cloths -- Bar mops. Attached pictures show heated Whitest-whites cycle after 20 minutes of wash tumble with a good half cap dose of Tide Turbo HE and a thin film of suds. BTW the water is 5 gpg hard.

For Tom; in the Duet, the Tide does not suds up during the 1st spin or any others for that matter; with any load. No backwash/backup of suds to slow things down. The suds level is very low and what little foam there is, pretty much settles and drains away with no residual sudsing.

BTW --all the best for the Holiday

L.P.

 

[roscoe62]

Half Cap Dosage

if I used that amount I'd never see the laundry room again, after seeing this pic can't wait to try Turbo HE.

 

[tomturbomatic]

Thank You Leslie and a Happy Holiday to you, too!

It is so funny how things change. Tide used to advertise how their thick working suds did not quit and now they advertise that their product has minimal suds and quick-collapsing bubbles.

 

[cehalstead]

suds level

Why do we even need suds? Marketing gimmick is all the suds are. Suds don't contribute to the cleaning. It's a holdover from ancient times (the time of my youth....the 1950's). I'd like to be able to buy a good detergent with no suds...end of problems.

 

[tomturbomatic]

Sudsing detergents are cheaper to build than non-sudsing ones.

 

[iheartmaytag]

In my Grandmother's/Mother's time

When they used soap, suds was a way of telling you had enough in the water to do the cleaning job. When detergents came along, they wanted to see suds; so the manufacturers added Sodium Laureth Sulfate (like in shampoo) to give you a good tub of suds.

I bought Tide Turbo the last time, did a load of towels in hot last night, no suds at all.

 

[murando531]

I've never understood the big deal behind suds in the first place. Even as a kid, when I'd see suds in the washer, it meant to me that the actual detergent was floating on top of the water and not even touching the clothes down under the water where it needed to be. After moving away from home and from the Maytag Atlantis that would cause terrible suds because of the pump running in reverse frothing air up into the tub, I was relieved that the Whirlpool 4800 would barely suds at all, and clothes felt cleaner and rinsed better. Not that the Atlantis was a bad machine in any aspect, and it's still running flawlessly at my father-in-law's, but I had always wished they could have designed a pump that would run "neutral" when the motor turned in the agitate direction.

 

[mich]

It's worth mentioning..

That Surfactants, generally do clean better under a frothy/suds environment. The suds, help suspend and grab loose grease & oil from fabrics and hold them in suspension. 

 

 

 

[mich]

Don't Believe Me?

Prove it to yourself. 

 

Fill up a large see-through clear Glad container, with a squirt of Dawn dish liquid, and allow the suds to fill up for a few inches. Than... drop a spoon covered in Vegetable Oil... through the suds, and watch what happens. 

 

You'll notice instantly, that the suds attract the grease.. and begin lifting the grease away. Suspending It & trapping the grease into the suds.  This is the exact same thing that happens in your washer. The suds grab onto grease & oils, lifting them away, and trapping them.

 

Suds do Clean. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">And I hate to break/burst anyone's bubble. But...</span>

 

Just because you don't see Suds in your rinse water, doesn't mean a fabric is completely rinsed. 

 

Example - Use a whole cup of washing soda, without detergent in a wash cycle. You'll notice ZERO suds, and the rinse water will seem very clean. However... If you only did (1) rinse cycle... and tossed everything into the dryer. You'd immediately notice, while unloading, just how stiff everything is. 

 

[jetcone]

suds

Suds suspend oil and dirt from hard surfaces which is important for them. Especially for washing a dirty automobile.

It does not do that for fabrics. Suds will cling to fabrics.

Wash liquor flowing in and out is what lifts and cleans dirt from fibers.  The greater the amount of flowing wash liquor the cleaner the clothes.

 

Surfactants, at the right concentration, held in suspension will hold dirt and oils in suspension so that they can be drained away from the clothes. Here is where people are having trouble today with "he" detergents, they cut back the dose to limit sudsing, but that doesn't allow enough surfactant in the mix to hold and suspend dirt away from clothes after lifting it off of them. Its a fine balance to have enough surfactants in the water to do both jobs, lift soils and keep them away from clothes till drain time.

If you see suds residue clinging to clothes at the end of a cycle then the clothes aren't clean.

 

See the "Sinner's Circle" for more information on cleaning clothes.

 

[tomturbomatic]

I saw another TV ad for this with the message that TIDE HE Turbo makes your washer finish in less time so washing is faster with Tide HE Turbo. They do not come out and state that previous HE formulations' frothy suds delayed the machine's cycle, but it is what they mean, in a round about way.

 

[tomturbomatic]

This link from CNN

Leads to the current ads for the product, but now they have two red bubbles out to the side that have the word CLEAN in them.

http://tide.com/en-us/how-to-wash/p...n&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=tideheman-h

 

[appnut]

I've NEVER seen those kinds of suds levels in my Duet.  That looks like pure washer abuse. 

 

[tomturbomatic]

Maybe the frothy suds are from one of those cheap liquid HE detergents.

 

[murando531]

Years ago, suds DID mean better cleaning performance. Today, because of the advancements in detergent formulas, it isn't really the case anymore.

The idea behind detergent -without- suds is that the formula is 100% in the water that is flowing through the fabrics, not suspended above them or around them, and even worse, stuck to the drum and in the outer tub. It's not doing any good if it's just hanging around not even touching your clothes. The surfactants and conditioners in new detergents are designed to break soils loose and actually surround the fibers of your clothing, as well as surround the dirt molecules so that they cannot reattach. Yes, the soil may not be suspended away from your clothing, but it also has a very difficult time latching back on. Furthermore, the idea of suds in a front-loading machine are very counter-productive when looked at it from that perspective; even if there are suds, the clothes are being rolled through and over the suds, so that dirt is still being folded and tumbled through the dirt that would be "suspended" anyway. The only way suds could be useful in laundry would be in a conventional top-loading machine, where the clothes are moving around under the water and the layer of suds is riding on top, not being mixed back down. My only thoughts when seeing a layer of foam is "look at all that detergent riding on top of the water that COULD be flowing through the fibers of my laundry".

The analogy of suds being required when washing a car is a good one, but keep in mind that your car's surfaces are stationary, and are not porous at all. In that case, yes, the suds are required to keep dirt away from the surface so that they flush away when sprayed off.

To me, a dishwasher is a prime example of why suds will hinder performance. The machine itself cannot perform adequately if suds are present because the air trapped in the bubbles will suffocate the pump. Despite there being no sudsing, dishes come out spotless because the surfactants in the detergent help to break the soil away from the surfaces of your dishes, and coat the dirt molecules so that they cannot reattach. The absence of suds allows the water to drain smoothly off the dishware and also down the tub's surfaces and out of the machine, so that the dishwasher can extract as much as it can before refilling for the rinse. I see this concept being the same for laundry machines. Suds only result in detergent and soil being stuck on the interior surfaces of the machine during the first spin, not to mention the clothes themselves. If the water is properly conditioned with the detergent, the machine can extract and drain more of the actual detergent away itself, leaving much less to require needing rinsed out.

 

[tomturbomatic]

My chance to try Tide HE Turbo has arrived!

Rite Aid drug stores have a sale flyer out that shows TIDE liquid 46-50 OZ will be on sale starting Sunday 6-28, buy one get one free. I went and checked yesterday and they have Mountain Fresh which smelled best, and Regular in the 32 load size as well as formulations with bleach alternative, with Febreeze and with Downy in 24 load size in the same size bottle, all for $9.99 so I plan to go tomorrow to get the Mountain Fresh. The local Grocery has Tide on sale with the same size bottle priced at $5.99 so Rite Aid wins my money. This is for my big test of towel laundering in the SQ FL.

 

[tomturbomatic]

Liquid A Total Failure With Towels

Bad sudsing problem in the spins, worst in the first spin in the SQ. Like all liquids, the suds remained through all three rinses. I think I will write to P&G.

 

[frigilux]

Wow, Tom, I'm surprised at your poor results with Turbo. I use it on loads of bath towels with no sudsing issues, especially if I use bleach and add a third rinse. And I have softened water, too. I dose only to the 1st line for towels, though. How much did you use?

 

[tomturbomatic]

Eugene, Thanks for your interest.

I used to the second line because the load consisted of 5 bath sheets each 3.5 X 6.5 feet in size so it's a large load and the machine fills for a very long time. I saw hardly any suds in the wash in the SQ, but that first spin period whipped up so many suds that the first rinse did not even fill because the water level pressure switch was satisfied. I added water to both rinses and let it go through two rinses and the spin. I set it for another rinse and spin and even the third rinse had suds sitting on the boot after it drained.

Maybe the powder TIDE HE turbo will do better, but I really don't need to buy a big box of that now. I have the Persil which performs very well.

 

[launderess]

Don't care what the lines in cap say

Never, ever, ever use more than about one tablespoon of Tide liquids. Just at or a bit under "1" line in the cap.

Am working my way through a bottle of Tide HE regular liquid (given by a neighbor who was moving) and have found at that level the stuff cleans well and barely leaves any scent. Best of all it rinses cleanly. Find the same with Tide "free and clear" liquid.

Terry cloth items in particular are known for whipping up froth, so you want to watch out there.