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Stroke of the Obvious

Golittlesport in his post #78017 summed it up quite nicely IMO!
Regarding religious & political affiliations there is enough good and bad material to go around........so sometimes we may feel aligned with a comment-sentiment and at others perhaps not. Thats life.

Sidebar:

While being interviewed in front of his Crawford Texas ranch on the evening news, President Bush was wearing the exact same Dockers short sleeve shirt with button-down collar that I have. He shops a J.C. Penney too.
 
Like I said...

I didn't say cut it out, I suggested that if this rated PG-13 forums was to be created, that's where it would go.

Thankfully, political/religious stuff doesn't get alot of airtime here so it's not much of an issue.
 
Jon,
I would like to say thanks. I was curius about the link and am very thankful that this subject was brought up. At 15 i am also getting worried that my comments will be twisted
 
A thread to ponder.

First off, I apologize for not reading this thread sooner. Jon, to you and the others who have indicated discomfort, I apologize for any post of mine that contributed to that discomfort. And I sincerely mean that. If any of my posts hitherto have been a part of that, by all means, notify Robert to delete those posts.

I've learned a lot in the time I've been here, and it's helped me to enjoy my hobby even more -- and I don't have much to offer back to the site in return.

I'll make doubly sure to review my posts, and keep it strictly to the interests of vintage appliances. I'm sorry you have been made to feel uncomfortable.

John
 
hardened

Wow, I guess my hide must have toughened, becaue I really hadn't noticed an increase in off color jokes, political discussions, or winky-winky type things. Heavey-Duty things have gone down in the past, but it's seemed to be pretty calm to me lately.
 
When I was a "young-in", my Father used to say all the time: "You can go with the crowd, but you don't have to follow the crowd". I live by it until this day at 43yo.

When I joined this awsome pictorial and discussion site, I was amazed of how well mannered and clean it was. I love it still.

Thanks to all for their feelings and thoughts. I know where I stand, you do what you want to.

Steve
 
I wouldn't go so far as only allowing appliance-related discussions or sequestering all politics in a special zone.

I'm on another forum where the "moderator" isn't moderate: he comes down heavy-handed with comments such as "I will not allow...(this or that)..." I can be having a pleasant time reading the postings, and then someone strays into an arbitrary forbidden zone and the "moderator" slams down on it, and the feeling I get is like when you're sitting on the couch, relaxing with a good book, and suddenly there is a loud noise of breaking glass nearby. Totally destroys the mood.

On the other hand, the folks who run this site seem to do an absolutely fantastic job of it. No complaints whatsoever. If someone gets out of hand, a mild admonishment is usually sufficient to get an honest apology, and the problem solves itself with no need for heavy-handed tactics.

Re. politics: I have no problem with opinions honestly expressed in terms that are not inflammatory or ideologically intolerant. Realistically there isn't much political discussion here except in designated topics (for example before the last election). The topic titles are ample warning for folks who don't want to read that stuff, and I think that system works fine. And as for the occasional passing remark in other topics; we all live in democratic countries where political debate is part of the normal civic life, and good that it's so.

Re. winky-wink: I would tend to think that if someone posts a picture and then there's a bunch of comments along the lines of "gee whiz you're cute!, are you taken?", that could be either comfortable or uncomfortable depending on the person. I don't see a problem with it as long as it doesn't get much past that level and folks can handle responses such as "thanks but you're not my type." And on the upside, there's always the chance of a "match made in Heaven," and something to celebrate. (Realistically, where else are folks with unusual interests likely to find partners than on sites focused on those interests, right?)

Variety is the spice of life; on the whole we're doing a pretty good job of avoiding the extremes of bland on one hand and too-hot on the other.
 
just my .02 worth

To Jon & everyone,

I dont get to post here much since I no longer have any vintage appliances. :( I may chime in from time to time on the deluxe or super forum. I do however enjoy reading and looking at everyones posts and pics of their finds, collections and other fun stuffs. I guess I never realized there are younger members (teen/pre-teen) on this fourm. So I will promise to keep my posts "clean".
 
Jon, I admire your taking a stand. As a 42 yr. old, I'm impressed by the wisdom coming from an 18 year old. I wish I'd had a handle on things like that when I was your age.

Thank you for contributing!

David
 
Well mannered people and fun

I agree with the well mannered concept. I think I may have missed the more ribald entries, but I appreciate keeping it clean so all can enjoy.

That said, I have never been to a forum that was as constructive, supportive, and tolerant as this site. This is the ONLY forum I have been on (I have been on all types of entertainment and political forums) where one really wants to meet the people here. I feel that I have met some friends, which I can't say in other forums. A few forums/weblogs I have been to, if someone doesn't like your opinion on say something political, you're just called a socialist! (far from it here). If you don't like Wal-Mart, you're against free trade, and you're a socialist! Things like that. Often, when one gets together with folks at a gathering, if you mention that you collect appliances, 1/2 the people look at you like you're wierd. It is SO refreshing to come into a positive, open atmosphere.

The people here come from all lifestyles and interests, and viva la difference! (sp). That's what makes it great. And talk about tolerant! Where else can I blabber on about NuTone fans or Cadillacs or dishwashers, and not only reach others of interest, but find a great dialog!

I applaud the people behind this site (and like an idiot, I am not even sure who they are or if I have spoken to them), and I applaud those wishing to keep it on track and attractive to all others who may want to join. Creative, fun, good people are too few and far between to potentially turn any away!
 
Mom is a little over protective but...

She wouldn't let me go to the convention this for two reasons, one only I could afford to go and two, she was afraid that there would be a situation of some sort involoving rape. My mom visits the site once in a while to see whats goin on and what I have been posting about and so on. I'm not saying that I don't feel safe or anything, but with mom not there, me being only 15, and not being able to have someone my mom truly trusts to watch me constantly, she didn't think it safe for me to go. All because of the sexual inuenedo. So in my opinion, those of you posting it, are spoiling all the fun for me.
 
Jamie, you're still an under-aged minor. That is reason enough for your mom to not want you to go to the convention or anywhere else by yourself. I was returning from a business trip to Orlando last March. I saw twice flight attendants accompanying and watching out for teenagrs (about age 14) and making sure they got to where they were supposed to be. All set up by their parents as part of the airline ticket. My parents would have never even dreamed about letting me go somewhere without adult supervision and attendance. And it is correct and proper for your mom to monitor eveything you surf on the internet. I have no doubt Venus or Tom do the same thing for Austin.
 
I'm not sure what all the hub-bub is over here. They worst I've seen is a few pictures of guys in their younger years in speedos, and maybe a few pairs of underpants swishing around in sudzy water around an agitator. There have been some humorous comments and descriptions about these pictures, but hardly anything that I would say is over the line. I am hetersexual, and there are many homosexuals here that have made a few remarks abou what they find attractive...I have too! (like some of the quite attractive gals in the washer ad's!) I see nothing wrong with any of us offering these types of opinions and it's part what makes the forum fun and enjoyable. It is very interesting seeing the styles and how they have changed over the ages. Most people don't think about appliances hardly anywhere near as much as we do, but they are a very big part of everyone's daily lives, and it's certainly fun to talk about them, and the culture that surrounds them.
 
Jamie, your mom has legitimate concerns as a parent, and I wouldn't let a 15-year-old attend a gathering alone. However, you and your mom *were* at the 2002 gathering, so she should have an idea of how everyone behaves. I think the 2002 convention was a little more 'adult' than 2001 in Minne and 2005 in Omaha, particularly Saturday evening with the large number of attendees, the darkened area in front of the warehouse with the disco ball and so forth ... so perhaps she's basing her decision on that. But having attended all three 'major' gatherings, I can't imagine that anything bad could happen. There have been LOTS of good people involved each time, keeping watch on everything, making sure there are plenty activities and that everyone has a good time. The focus is on seeing the washers! Hands-on playtime with those fantastic vintage machines, and sharing ideas, experiences, and memories with fellow washer-o-philes!
 
15's too young to go alone to a strange city unchaperoned while you are there. Many kids fly alone but like said above they're watched by the airline till the person who is supposed to pick them up does so. Then too the parents have to make the decision at what age is appropriate. In my case it was 16 when I took off for Europe by myself for two months with my parents blessing and forwarnings, most people I've told this too say there is no way in Hades that they would let their 16 year old do that today,, well even back then around 1972 none of my friends parents would let them go with me either so that's another reason I went alone. Unfortunately in my mind all this news coverage from A to Z has just frightened more parents than is the reality. There were kidnappings and huge drug scenes going on over in Europe back then as there was here, maybe even more, certainly not less, my folks knew that then and so did I but that wasn't going to deter me or them from me going. Another reason why born/bred N.Americans in general are reluctant to let there 16,17 y.o kids go anywhere distant is because it just hasn't been part of the culture over here. Both my mother and father were from the UK and by the ages of 14 or 15 they said it was quite common for kids their age to go on bicycle trips to the continent with their friends,,hop a train and off to France for a few days biking around. In fact that's how my folks met, mom was with her girlfriends in Paris and dad was with his pals in Paris, both groups biking and staying at a youth hostel. So the story goes, mom and her GF's were sitting alongside a fountain one evening when dad and his pals came over to chat them up. It was quite hot and they all decided to jump into the fountain to cool off.. the next day when they went by the fountain they saw that it was all slimy green water..they alwasy had a good laff over that..The rest was history, dad joinedthe RAF, trained in Canada, Mom went to her aunts in Poughkeepsie. Dad came back over after the war to collect mom, they got married and he got a job with Westinghouse in Hamilton and they moved there. So you see,,had both sets of grandparents been too overly protective and not let their kids wander I might not be here today to amuse and bemuse you all. LOL
 
Floored...

Jamie,

I was absolutely floored to read your message. I was not a part of the convention -- but wish I had been. All the stories coming back have shown it to be an enjoyable grouping of good people with a common interest in these vintage appliances. New friendships made, old friendships renewed, and a lot of information sharing in a pleasant, jovial, no pressure environment.

Your mom is responsible for your upbringing, safety, and well being. It's good to see a parent actively involved in their teens life -- so few are these days, it seems. Far be it me to tell anyone what's right or wrong, safe or not, especially a parent. But I feel I must speak up and say, yes, there are messages with innuendo and rather risque comment -- I'm probably guilty of adding to that. Since my last post on this thread, I've been trying to watch out for that. But even with those type of messages, there are so absolutely many more that indicate what a singularly good group of people is here. Just as sadly as the African-American community must still endure diatribes about welfare queens buying steaks with food stamps and driving off in Cadillacs, gays endure still and will for probably the remainder of my life, the oversexed negative image.

I read your message shortly after you posted, and it's been on my mind since. One of the strengths I've seen of this good community is how easily people work to blend together. Sexuality just doesn't seem to be a major part of it. Nor a number of things. I fell out of the chair reading that one member I thought of as liberal, is actually a Christian conservative! But that simply proves the binding issue here is the preservation, restoration, and appreciation of the vintage appliances, with a focus on those in laundry room.

I'm into vacuums and small kitchen appliances, like some others here -- but not in the majority who's expression is in their interest in the washers and dryers. My past experiences in special interest forums, has been that those in the majority can act like elitist snobs. Not a bit of that here. Not even a hint.

As someone who is both a Systems Programmer for a major company, and a high school dropout with some college, I've a pretty good nose for snobbery. But it really is about the appliances here. And nothing else.

I'm contemplating possibly not posting for awhile, or finding a different venue for my vintage interests. I live in a small apartment, so here it's expressed in old vacuum cleaners. I don't add much, or give much to this community, I'm still learning a lot, and from this community I've learned much already. A row of shiny vacuums spanning nearly 80 years of history is the result.

These people here are currently the only ones who I can share that pride of restoration and appreciation. My Dual Sanitronic is my favorite -- because it was the first I cleaned up, polished, relubricated, and so forth -- all with skills, tips and suggestions from people here. Those people are now part of the story my collection tells.

But I must admit I'm very concerned about this thread topic, and if any of my postings make anyone the least bit uncomfortable, please, by all means, email Unimatic1140. Supply him with the Forum, thread, and post numbers for deletion. I don't want to spoil this forum for you, or anyone else, young, middle aged, older. Nor do I want to do anything to tarnish, or appear to tarnish, the high regard in which this community is held.

Respectfully, and sincerely...

John D.
St. Louis, MO
 
John...what's with this!!

I'm contemplating possibly not posting for awhile, or finding a different venue for my vintage interests. I live in a small apartment, so here it's expressed in old vacuum cleaners. I don't add much, or give much to this community, I'm still learning a lot, and from this community I've learned much already. A row of shiny vacuums spanning nearly 80 years of history is the result.

You can't go, the vacuum stuff is just starting to get going on here in the super forum and I think plenty of people like looking at the vacuum pic, discussing the different models. As much as I love reading about the washers and those pics I love seeing pics and peoples descriptions on any vintage appliance they enjoy, especially vacs. Besides there isn't to my knowledge any vac sites where you won't get your head bit off by those believing themselves the final authority, you just want to you know what to them. "bless them and send them on their way" LOL
 
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