Vinegar as a "softener"

[sudsmaster]

The gotcha is that enzymes are useless when it comes to removing inorganic soils from fabrics. So an effective detergent still needs some alkali and surfactant to break these away from the fabric, and a builder to capture them so they can be rinsed away. This is where most liquid laundry detergents perform less admirably than powders. The powders are more alkali, and can incorporate more efficient water softeners and breaks than liquids.

And of course STPP is perhaps the best ingredient to break inorganic soil from fabrics, and to hold it in suspension so it can be rinsed away. Nothing else really comes close.

 

[mrboilwash]

Launderess,
Some of your answers have very little to do with my question, you almost akt like a politican sometimes.

I wonder why is so hard for you to admitt you don`t know it for sure and just leave it at that ?

Nobody has all the anwers to life or even just detergents and there`s nothing to be ashamed of !

 

[rolls_rapide]

Liquids: less alkaline

If that is the case, it might explain why some machines suffer from that foul smelling sludge.

Over time, general dirt, grime and a fairly neutral liquid detergent might tip the pH into the acidic region, allowing biofilms and bacteria to multiply.

Hence the reason for maintenance washes with powder detergent: not only to kill the biofilm, but to tip the pH balance in the tub back to alkalinity again.

Methinks powders are the way to go, except for fine delicates and woollens.

 

[stan]

Just tested

the two liquid detergents I have around..
Ecos liquid tested to a PH of 7
Woolite liquid for darks tested to a PH of 8
Talk among yourselves

 

[launderess]

I never

"Some of your answers have very little to do with my question, you almost akt like a politican sometimes. "

Such wicked ingratitude.

Don't worry, shan't bother further. Am done; sort it out yourselves.

 

[stan]

Dear

Don't leave, I for one appreciate all that you contribute here!
Steven, you where rude to her. It's not nice to speak to another member that way.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Come back Mrs Bucket!

You're needed...!

 

[michaelman2]

Laundress:

I always enjoy your replies and posts.

 

That you may not have answered the question the "way" the person wanted is not to be of your concern.   

 

I told someone recently, on this site, to consider the source....please do.

 

I think I am safe in saying the majority of the group/club, value your research, wisdom and contributions are indeed invaluable.  

 

xo,

 

Mike

 

[supersuds]

I think of Launderess as bursting with information she wants to share, and we benefit from it. Can't think of anyone here I'd rather see a post from.

Lots of interesting topics at this site wander off on tangents, so there's nothing unexpected about that. It's part of the fun.

 

[mrboilwash]

I`m not ungrateful. I honestly appreciate the information you share with us.

What I won`t tolerate anylonger is that arrogant way of yours looking down on other members who happen to have the nerve to disagree with your wisdom sometimes.
Where is Freddy by the way ?
You have to understand no one here in the group has the intention to throw you from your well deserved "throne" or "stage", but there has to be room for other opinions as well. No one is without fail not even you.

I believe it`s best to address a problem directly and move on instead of endless frustrations for the sake of courtesty.
So I hope we can agree now that we both have our opinions on the pH of detergents but none of us knows for sure and settle this stupid feud of ours once and for all !

 

[iheartmaytag]

Dear Laundress

Now don't you fret.  Onslow is just feeling his beer this day.    The rest of us enjoy your knowledge. 

 

[mrboilwash]

Harley, you probably won`t get it as well because my English is just too bad, but there is still a huge difference between construcitive criticism and an insult.
Just go on, don`t be shy I can take it

 

[iheartmaytag]

Though You do owe Our Dear Laundress an apology

I was not attempting to insult you, if I were I'm quite good,  you would have known it; I was consoling Laundress.

 

And, YES, it is a STUPID feud.  Luckily  one was wise enough to walk away.  Now so shall I.

 

 

[mrboilwash]

So you also think I have to be grateful (!) I`ve even been talked to and have no right to criticize that some of the answers had nothing to do with my questions ?
It`s not about getting exactly the answer I would like to hear, different opinions are great and much appreciated.
No, it`s the attitude of not even bothering to fully read a question but giving an answer. All I`m asking for is a little bit of repect.

And yes this stupid feud has been going on for a long time and I`m not happy about it and I`m willing to sort things out but runnig away isn`t very helpful.

 

[mamapinky]

Launderess

I hope you ment you are just leaving this thread. I've learned a lot from you and I'm not done learning.
Cheryl

 

[mrboilwash]

Oh and Harley, I almost forgot it`s been a long time ago after all, but aren`t you the one who said I was FOS ? It`s fine, I couldn`t care less. I`m an adult and I`m still here and talking to you.
I suppose we both know your standards of moral haven`t been so high in the past as they are today so what do you think puts you into the position to say I owe anyone an apology now ?

 

[mrboilwash]

LordKenmore

John, I`m sorry I ruined your thread. I`ve built up a lot of pressure and frustration over time and I just had to let it out. I hope you`re not mad at me too.

 

[michaelman2]

Laundress is a trooper

She has a thick skin and will be back.   I feel assured.  

 

[iheartmaytag]

Mike:
I am sure you are right. Sometimes egos need a time out.

Stefan,
Gezzz I thought we Scorpios held on to things, chill dude. When you are either feuding, or are attempting to feud with a number of people, you should ask yourself what, or whom is the common denominator.

My comment to laundress was an attempt at humor,in character with Hyacinth, her brother in law Onslow was mentioned.

I do not recall previously having a discussion with you or stating you be FOS ,however, my assessments are usually pretty accurate. Now let's drop this, or move our discussion to non public forums. [this post was last edited: 4/20/2017-22:42]

 

[stan]

Stefen

Please don't take this the wrong way, my intentions are well meaning...
Incase you didn't know...Accusing someone of acting like a politician is rude and highly insulting here in this country.
It basically means that someone is dishonest or lying. I'm sure it's why she took offense, and I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Right?
With most of her posts she provided a link for our benefit, not for hers.
Wish I could answer your question for you, but I think it's best answerd by a chemist at PG or Henkel.
If you should find a answer by a chemist that has specific knowledge in this area of expertise, youl share it with us of course!