What's old is new at Whirlpool
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Good to know! Thanks Joe
The LG has a spray as well, why it is (on the LG) only part-time during the wash I don't understand.
The LG has a spray as well, why it is (on the LG) only part-time during the wash I don't understand.
The LG has a spray as well, why it is (on the LG) only part-time during the wash I don't understand.
Probably because of patent issues. Is the spray full time on the Whirlpool? I wonder if the spray is a strong as it is on the Whirlpool combo?
Probably because of patent issues. Is the spray full time on the Whirlpool? I wonder if the spray is a strong as it is on the Whirlpool combo?
I was wondering when they'd do something like this since LG had this type of feature. Hmm, maybe this will mean some water spritzing on the window. Hellow Leslie!!!!!
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The direct inject is only a way to saturate the clothes super fast. So the spray is only a new way from the water to enter the drum and on during the fill part of the cycles.
only part-time during the wash
Actually you don't want a spray during the rinse, that makes rinsing more difficult. The spray froths up the rinse water.
Actually you don't want a spray during the rinse, that makes rinsing more difficult. The spray froths up the rinse water.
This direct inject is only for the fill. The only recirculating that WP has used recently is on the Catalyst and the Collapso. The first Resource Save washers used a recirculating diverter valve for the spin spray rinsing and its introduction, along with the Catalyst, made it possible for us to once again obtain the valve bodies needed for the Kenmore and WP combos.
Several European brands over the decades have used a recirculating spray. It can create excess suds in the wash also. One great advantage that it had in the 29" Kenmore combos with the large drums was that with the very low water level in the drum and the spray, sheets tended not to ball up and remained open to the spray, even in the rinses, most of the time.
Several European brands over the decades have used a recirculating spray. It can create excess suds in the wash also. One great advantage that it had in the 29" Kenmore combos with the large drums was that with the very low water level in the drum and the spray, sheets tended not to ball up and remained open to the spray, even in the rinses, most of the time.
What's old is new at Whirlpool
I have to agree with Tom - This direct inject is only during the fill period on the Whirlpools. I don't understand why they don't use a spray to wash and rinse. What I dont like about the Duets and the Heties is that the baffels are small and cut down and their are no holes in them to recirculate water. I feel more confident with my LG because of the spraying especially with very little water in the drum. With the LG the spray goes on and off the first 10 minutes of the wash cycle and stays on all the time through out the rinses. The only thing I don't like about the LG is the fact that when it goes to spin it takes to much time balancing and doing pulse spins before going into a full spin. (a big waste of time) Boy I wish we can all get together and design these machines.
Peter
I have to agree with Tom - This direct inject is only during the fill period on the Whirlpools. I don't understand why they don't use a spray to wash and rinse. What I dont like about the Duets and the Heties is that the baffels are small and cut down and their are no holes in them to recirculate water. I feel more confident with my LG because of the spraying especially with very little water in the drum. With the LG the spray goes on and off the first 10 minutes of the wash cycle and stays on all the time through out the rinses. The only thing I don't like about the LG is the fact that when it goes to spin it takes to much time balancing and doing pulse spins before going into a full spin. (a big waste of time) Boy I wish we can all get together and design these machines.
Peter
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Coming Up Of New Top Load Washer
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I put to click "new product" about New Top Load Whirlpool, it's called "CABRIO" (like as Kenmore Oasis Duet) by summer on July 2006.
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Hello Everyone...how are you doing? (I'm deaf)
I put to click "new product" about New Top Load Whirlpool, it's called "CABRIO" (like as Kenmore Oasis Duet) by summer on July 2006.
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Read somewhere while trolling Google, an article on front loader design and water use, which stated that when using low amounts of water, the "spray" inject method was one way to compensate and help get all the laundry saturated quickly.
IIRC certian Maytag commercial front loaders had a spray that come through the front window door, but am not sure if it operated during the rinse or just to help saturate during fills.
L.
IIRC certian Maytag commercial front loaders had a spray that come through the front window door, but am not sure if it operated during the rinse or just to help saturate during fills.
L.
I know that long ago some large model Milnor washers had a great big (2.5--3 inch)hose that went in through the glass in the door to give quicker drenching of the center of the load. Maytag Neptunes with the solid door added that little trickler to help wash scum and filth out of that brush-like thing that surrounded the upper part of the opening, but it did not spray to clean the laundry. When you watch some of these new front loaders fill, you could almost describe the wash method as hydrophobic.
In a pique of housecleaning threw away all my Maytag commercial laundry information brochures/sheets, but IIRC the washer with the window in door mounted sprayer was one of those large commcerical units that look like old Bendix front loaders. IIRC Primus builds most if not all Maytag commercial washers, so maybe it would be on on their website.
L.
L.
spray during wash
Lots of washers use flow-through water heaters. These require the water to be pumped through them at a surprising velocity. This water is then sprayed or jetted into the drum when washing. It works very well, even if it does sometimes kick up a few more suds than would otherwise be the case.
I have never yet heard a conclusive argument for or against spray-spinning...any ideas?
Lots of washers use flow-through water heaters. These require the water to be pumped through them at a surprising velocity. This water is then sprayed or jetted into the drum when washing. It works very well, even if it does sometimes kick up a few more suds than would otherwise be the case.
I have never yet heard a conclusive argument for or against spray-spinning...any ideas?
manual spin rinsing
The UNIMAC washers used in some older commercial (not self service) laundries and a few carwashes used spin rinsing exclusively. The rectangular stainless steel cabinet had a square wash tub at each end with a Maytag Gyrator and later a WP Surgilator in them. Each tub was filled and drained manually and sometimes had a wind up timer for the agitation. In the middle was the extractor basket, balanced on a needle point to take care of off balance loads. Water sprayed into the spinning load to rinse. They used in-line water filters because any sediment or discolored water had to be filtered so that it would not ruin the laundry. Suds is one of the major factors in spin spray rinsing. The UNIMAC had a nice square tub around the extractor basket so disposal of suds was not a problem like it can be in an automatic with less distance between the spinning perforated tub and the outer tub, although my GE V-12 was prone to filling up with suds during most spin rinsing activity on my part. The water stream has to be broken up either with an aerator on the end of the hose or with the sprinkler dome like is often found on the end of the spout of a watering can. With either of these the water does not splash back much when it hits the spinning clothes like the hard stream does when a hose is just aimed at the spinning load. The water goes right through the clothes, flushing lots of suds, but the deep rinse still seems a bit sudsy with some detergents. It probably helps, but does not replace the deep rinse in most top load washers.
The UNIMAC washers used in some older commercial (not self service) laundries and a few carwashes used spin rinsing exclusively. The rectangular stainless steel cabinet had a square wash tub at each end with a Maytag Gyrator and later a WP Surgilator in them. Each tub was filled and drained manually and sometimes had a wind up timer for the agitation. In the middle was the extractor basket, balanced on a needle point to take care of off balance loads. Water sprayed into the spinning load to rinse. They used in-line water filters because any sediment or discolored water had to be filtered so that it would not ruin the laundry. Suds is one of the major factors in spin spray rinsing. The UNIMAC had a nice square tub around the extractor basket so disposal of suds was not a problem like it can be in an automatic with less distance between the spinning perforated tub and the outer tub, although my GE V-12 was prone to filling up with suds during most spin rinsing activity on my part. The water stream has to be broken up either with an aerator on the end of the hose or with the sprinkler dome like is often found on the end of the spout of a watering can. With either of these the water does not splash back much when it hits the spinning clothes like the hard stream does when a hose is just aimed at the spinning load. The water goes right through the clothes, flushing lots of suds, but the deep rinse still seems a bit sudsy with some detergents. It probably helps, but does not replace the deep rinse in most top load washers.
I'm surprised no Europeans have mentioned the Jetsystem Zanussi's have had in Europe for years (since the mid-80s). Electrolux own the patent (at least the European one), hence why it suddenly appeared on AEG's in the mid-1990s after Electrolux bought AEG out 
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Jon
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Has adopted the older Zanussi technology & made it better!!
This uses a larger plume of water than the zanussi`s , but still not as much as the RCA Whirlpool....
Has adopted the older Zanussi technology & made it better!!
This uses a larger plume of water than the zanussi`s , but still not as much as the RCA Whirlpool....
Oy, the spritz!
The LG (at least the model I have) uses so little water that it needs to douse the clothes with spray during the first minutes of most cycles to get them wet. During the prewash cycle there is no spray and it's interesting to see that large loads sometimes remain partially dry when the prewash ends.
I would like a spray rinse on the LG but I imagine, given the FL's sensitivity to unbalanced loads, that a spray rinse could knock a load way off balance because of different absorption rates. I would also expect that spray rinsing would mess up listed water efficiency claims.
I had an old Maytag that had a full-one minute spray rinse during the first spin that practically brought the spinning tub to a halt before the water was cut off. On the newest TL Maytag (c.1995) the spray rinse was limited to only 15 seconds.
The LG (at least the model I have) uses so little water that it needs to douse the clothes with spray during the first minutes of most cycles to get them wet. During the prewash cycle there is no spray and it's interesting to see that large loads sometimes remain partially dry when the prewash ends.
I would like a spray rinse on the LG but I imagine, given the FL's sensitivity to unbalanced loads, that a spray rinse could knock a load way off balance because of different absorption rates. I would also expect that spray rinsing would mess up listed water efficiency claims.
I had an old Maytag that had a full-one minute spray rinse during the first spin that practically brought the spinning tub to a halt before the water was cut off. On the newest TL Maytag (c.1995) the spray rinse was limited to only 15 seconds.
My new GE T/L-er does not have a spray rinse, most-likely to better it's *efficiency* ratings.
I am surprised there is not a dial with three options labeled:
Normal cycle
Add spray rinse
Add deep rinse
Add both rinses.
Since our Gov't uses anything marked *normal cycle*, ONLY for its tests energy tests, this would serve to get it its rating AND make it work well.
On my KA DW- light wash AND normal wash is W-W-R-D.
Diff. I think is 5*F water temp. To me, there is no difference. This is another good place to include an *Add 2nd rinse* button/option. Some mannies already go for a DEFAULT cool-dry also to get their desired rating.
I am surprised there is not a dial with three options labeled:
Normal cycle
Add spray rinse
Add deep rinse
Add both rinses.
Since our Gov't uses anything marked *normal cycle*, ONLY for its tests energy tests, this would serve to get it its rating AND make it work well.
On my KA DW- light wash AND normal wash is W-W-R-D.
Diff. I think is 5*F water temp. To me, there is no difference. This is another good place to include an *Add 2nd rinse* button/option. Some mannies already go for a DEFAULT cool-dry also to get their desired rating.
