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stunning question

You took the stunning question out of my mouth. I'm also dying to see how the spray arms will operate, whether simultaneously or independently. Also, I wonder how it will handle blueberry pancake stuck-onto the plates and coffee stained mugs. I hope they will release the front control models later this year or in the future.
 
I saw the Maytag version, yesterday at my local Rona big box store ( owned by Lowe's). The third rack seems so shallow. And it takes away extra height from the top rack ( in this case, the middle rack)

Seems gimmicky to me. I will stick to my Maytag dishwasher that I got last year, with the tiered upper rack. I don't need the third rack, it takes me long enough to fill up the regular two rack dishwasher.
 
HI, I just bought a new Whirlpool version of the Kitchen aid, Maytag.
I love it. The 3rd rack at the top is really a great idea and we are using that a great deal for things like: whisks, serving spoons, rubber spatulas, etc. It has a 1 hour cycle and we use that. I use Bubble Bandit detergent and clean dishes are what we get. There are 4 cycles and heat/water heater cycles that you can program the way that you want. 3 level wash arms are in this model too.
It is very quiet. The 'fridge makes more noise when it turns on than the dishwasher does, and our whirpool 'fridge is quiet too. oh, You can also customize the cycles that you want and push the button and it remembers what you select. I like the stainless steel tub. I have never had one before; I have always had a plastic tub, but the stainless steel one is fine. I paid $743.00 for it on sale. I get my appliances from a local mom and pop store that has been in business since the '50s. He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher. I like this a great deal. Gary
 
Love the Mom and Pop and local franchises

 

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: georgia, palatino;">He took the old one out, installed the new one, showed us how to use the new one and even came back for no charge to put a new shutoff valve in the basement for the new dishwasher.</span></span>

 

<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">We have a locally owned ACE hardware up the street.  The more I use them the more I realize what you don't get at the big box stores.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">We needed a new leaf  blower.  The old one (only 1 1/2 years old) wouldn't start again this year so we decided to dump it because it's already been repaired twice.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">Anyway, given the virus I didn't want to go the store and hubby didn't really care what it is he just wants one that works.  So I got online to figure out which one I wanted.  Rang them up on the phone and bought it over the phone.  I told them Joe would pick it up later in the day.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">When he got there it was unpacked, put together, gassed up and ready to go.  He asked if it was a demo or something and the guy said no, we do this as part of our normal service.  They asked him to come in the back so they could show him the features etc.  When he got home with it I got on line to register it for the warranty.  I couldn't easily find it so I called them and asked where to go to register it and he said, "Don't worry about that we took care of it for you."  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">Plus they do any repairs on site.  The one that crapped out we got at Lowe's or Homo Depot I can't remember.  But when it needed service twice we had to go all the way across town to a place with limited hours.  What a PIA.  This ACE is less than a mile from my house.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino;">You'll never get those extras in the Big Box store.</span>

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Hi guys

 

I have a couple of questions about the Clean Water Wash system being used on these new dishwashers.  Is it the same system that has been around for several years and used on the Global Wash System?  As for how it works, my understanding is that large chunks are retained in the removable "foreign object cup" and may need to be removed manually if they don't eventually find their way through that course screen.  Anything that does get through is held in suspension and "thrown off" the internal filter which rotates.  Then comes the drain cycle, at which point all the solids are then pumped down the drain -- but is there a chopper or do they just get pumped out "as is" with the idea being that anything small enough to pass through the foreign object cup will be small enough to go down the drain?

 

Does anyone know how well these new machines perform compared to previous models?  I am particularly concerned about the "PowerBlast" cycle on the Maytag.  As far as I can see, this cycle used to take 3:30 to 3:45 and consumed 34 litres of water.  Now it apparently "only" takes 2:38 and water consumption is now 15 litres.  The options of "High Temp" "Sani" previously increased time and water beyond what they do now.  The heated dry options apparently used to add more time.  So either the technology just got a whole lot better, or...?  I would be very interested in buying one of the new KitchenAid models, but I do wonder if it would work as well as the outgoing Maytag model.  All feedback and thoughts appreciated 
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Happy dishwashing!

Mark
 
I can't speak to performance of them yet, but Bob and a few others who own one could attest to that. Yes, it is essentially the same wash system, just slightly updated. The first gen CleanWater pump assembly was retrofit to the GlobalWash tub/sump cutout, where now the new platform is a lower floor tub with the pump assembly offset to the right. But the procedure of the design is still largely the same.

You are correct, large chunks of food, such as large noodles or lettuce leaves, are caught in the course grate over the inlet. After that, the water pulls through a spinning laser-etched micro filter, and because of the winged baffles that surround it, tiny food particles up to larger chunks are continually sucked against and then lifted off that filter, which causes a spinning effect where the particles are suspended around the pump inlet. This allows 100% of the water to be filtered through the fine micro filter, as opposed to a more passive approach that the GlobalWash used, which allowed particles small enough to fit through the crescent shaped coarse upper filter to recirculate, but a large portion of the water passed into the fine cup for particles to be trapped until drain. That method was assisted by jets on the lower arm to help sweep particles towards the cup, but bits could still pass through that crescent shaped filter to the pump until they eventually got caught. The CleanWater design eliminates that entirely because the spinning filter cylinder has the same type of laser cut holes as Dyson's filter shrouds for their newer Cinetic and V8/V10/V11 vacuums.

Now, there's a slight variance in models so to answer your question about the chopper blade; yes and no. On both Maytag and KitchenAid models, the pump assemblies and method of operation is identical. However on the Maytag versions, there is a bladed attachment on the drain pump impeller. On both brand machines, the drain pump is mounted right on the side of that pump chamber where the particles are held in spinning suspension, so everything is pulled right out and sent down the drain, but for marketing purposes, the Maytag side claims that the drain impeller blades will help pulverize foods smaller for draining purposes. In my opinion, this is a bit of a gimmick, because the GlobalWash has been perfectly capable of draining out bits of rice or hamburger meat or noodles or corn without needing a blade or causing any clogging.
 
wash action and whirlpool version

It would be interesting to see if the wash arms running simultaneously will impede cleaning of glasses in the corners. Also, I am sure whirlpool will release their own version soon. There's no telling when, though.
 
Don't know if it's similar to MT but it reverses wash arm. It really works to purge old water from the sump and particles that could collect in the wash arm holes.

I haven't seriously looked at new dws for 20 years.

 

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