ASKO: Meet The 3 hour + 25 minute Dishwasher Cycle

[bwoods]

energy star

Energy Star ratings, I don't think, really look at the whole picture.

Once again let's look at the rinsing before washing issue. Take a pre-tall tub Whirlpool that could gobble up just about anything you put in it, versus one of today's, poor excuse for a dishwasher, machines without a built-in food waste disposer.

The water required to rinse off dishes and grind the waste in the disposer is probably several times the water used by the dishwasher itself.

The government Energy Star evaluators, as well as Consumer Reports seem to be totally blind to this fact. As I have said before, in my opinion a dishwasher that cannot dispose of food waste is not a dishwasher, but only a machine that splashes water on dishes.

It seems to me that the Energy Star ratings given to machines without a built-in disposer are somewhat inaccurate and are not looking at the big picture. They give the impression that these filtered machines are performing on par, energy wise, with those that have built in food waste disposal systems.

Does anyone agree with me on this??

As mentioned my daily driver is a GE GSD2800. It disposes of noodles, peas, lettuce, baked beans, etc. No it can't handle bones, are very large pieces of waste, but 90 percent + of the time, I don't have to rinse anything. That's a big savings on water for rinsing and for water and electricity for the garbage disposal.

While we are on the discussion of rinsing, are any one you concerned about some of the machines that only have one final rinse and sometimes a small purge before the final rinse.

I worry about the chemical residue left on the dishes, from the detergents with only one rinse.

The GSD2800 has two final rinses, my other tower wash GE's have three final rinses. Even with the 2800 I sometimes notice a little detergent aroma left on the dishes, on the other GE's with the three rinses, rarely.

Do any of you who have a machine with a single final rinse have any noticeable detergent residue or odor from the detergents. Just curious. (Of course, if you use rinse-agent, which I do not, this would probably be what you are noticing.)

If there is an odor, then yes, that would seem to be an indicator of chemical residue remaining on the dishes.

 

[joe_in_philly]

You don't have to pre-rinse when using a dishwasher without a food grinder. The filters collect the food particles during the wash so they are not recirculated, and flushes them down the drain. I do not pre-rinse, and my filter only needs to have items like twist ties and toothpicks removed. I only need to check it a couple times a year. I find the dishwashers without a food grinder clean better, as I never find little grains of food on the upturned bottom of mugs or other items that hold water, something I would find occassionally with dishwashers with a grinder.

 

[bwoods]

filter vs.disposal

Hi Joe.

Yes, I saw that in your earlier posts. And that's great. If your machine can handle noodles, leftover vegetables and other garbage then you have a real machine there!

Consume Reports mentioned a lot of the filter-only machines collect food and the filter has to be removed and washed by hand. For those machines,I give them a thumbs down. And, as I mentioned before, every drop of wash and rinse watar is being filtered through garbage and just the thought of eating off dishes washed in garbage water disgusts me.

The new GE tower wash machines have a full-time filter as well as a hard food waste disposer. So you get the best of both worlds. I can put most dishes in the machine directly from the table with minimal or no scraping and all the garbage is gobbled up and the filtering systems prevents any redeposition.

In the older GE 2800, if a glass gets turned upside down, yes, there can be food particles in it as the filtration is not 100%. But normally, no there is no deposisiton.

The older Maytag Reverse rack systems were also a good performer in the no deposition arena. They are almost as good as the older Whirlpools in eating up tons of garbage and with the 100% full-time micromesh filter, I don't ever get those pesky little bits of food particles in the bottoms of glasses or stemware.

 

[nmassman44]

I dont agree with CU at all. With my Miele I dont pre-rinse but I am sensible about what I put into the machine. The filter top is cleaned by a jet under the lower arm. The cone filter area normally is clean when I check it. And I only check it when the machine tells me to and thats every 40 cycles. I have it set that way in the computer. I wouldnt give a machine a pass over if it didnt have a self clean filter. I would pass over one if it didnt have a filter and just washed in dirty water ala a D&M machine of the past. The GE system that had the filter in the back and the MultiOrbit wash arm did a fantastic job at washing. And even though it wasnt a 100% filtration system I was amazed at how well it could clean. I also loved the upper SuperRack. That rack could hold a ton of dishes and glasses.

 

[bwoods]

GE multi-orbit

I agree, Mike. The GE's with the tower wash, filter in the back and multi-orbit wash arm just about hit the peak of dishwasher design.

Ihavae man dishwashsers, but the GSD 2800 with the above features is the machine I always come back to as my daily driver...for the very reasons you mentioned.

There is no perfect machine, unfortunately, all have their own unique advantages and disadvantages.

Noise is one thing that surprises me. People spend a lot of money to have a machine that is near silent. Why???

I remember when my mom first got a dishwasher in the mid-sixties. dishwashers had certainly been around for a long time, by that point, but were still not overly common. We were talking about the noise and my mom said she liked the noise as it let people know she had dishwasher and she was proud of it!

I find the sound of the GE tower wash to be familiar, comforting and soothing. Like a pot belly stove on a cold winter's day. HEHE

It's not that loud. You can have friends in the kitchen standing right next to and it doesn't interfere with conversation in any way. I often times turn it on at night right before I go to bed and I can hear the familiar whish-wash down the hall. Its soothing, calming and rhythmic and helps me to fall asleep.

 

[nmassman44]

The GE dishwasher design with the tower has a cool sound that I love...I love when the jets from the tower hits the door and the swooshing sound it makes. My Miele is silent or mostly silent. The only time I hear it is when its draining and the wash pump is activating to wash the dishes. Then there is that little tick sound from the control when the wash arms are switching. The dishwasher also has an alert beep in case something goes wrong. It also lets me know if a wash arm is blocked. I love that feature. There isnt much of anything that I dont like with my Miele. I think its the perfect dishwasher.