ASKO: Meet The 3 hour + 25 minute Dishwasher Cycle

[frigilux]

Wow! I know dishwasher cycles have grown in length over the past few years, but this ASKO (model D5893XXL) had a normal cycle length of 205 minutes in a recent Consumer Reports test.  Let's hope this doesn't become the 'new normal' for dishwashers---nor the price:  $2,000 

 

It used 7 gallons of water, which is more than my LG uses for a normal cycle.

 

 

 

 

[mrb627]

Miele

My Miele takes 2 hr 45 min on the normal cycle. Not sure about water usage, but I paid 2300 for it. I guess I don't care how long it takes as long as it is silent and finished before bedtime.

Malcolm

 

[pierreandreply4]

What the????

My kenmore elite dishwasher on the smart wash cycle takes lest time than these modern machines don;t know the exact time but it minimum 1 hour 49 minutes if i don't count the water heating.

 

[nmassman44]

My Miele dishwasher cost that much as well. Worth every penny too. I think mine takes about an hour and 45 mins on Normal. It varies by how hot the water is coming into it and soil level. She is running right now in fact as I type this.

 

[rolls_rapide]

"It used 7 gallons of water"

Are you sure that it wasn't seven litres?

 

[peteski50]

Time!

It is abosoltly insane to run that long! My GE Tall Tub runs almost 1 1/2 and that is more than enough time. It is one of the first tall tub models. It does clean well. Even though I usually start it before I go to bed and don't unload until the next day I wouldn't want a machine that runs 2 - 3 hours. I really would rather wash them by hand! And also where is the energy savings with such long running cycles?

 

[maytagbear]

The largest aspect of energy use in a dishwasher

is the heated water, NOT the motor-pump-element, but the heated water.

My GE Nautilus takes about 90 minutes for the longest cycle, which I do not always use. Even if the longest cycle was 4 hours, the sheer wonderfulness of not having to stand at the sink is worth it to me.

Lawrence/Maytagbear

 

[mattl]

My typical GE cycle is about 55 minutes, speed cycle is 33.  Odds are I could use the speed cycle for most things but prefer the longer wash time.  I paid about $500 for it 5 or 6 years ago and to this day it does a fantastic job.  I'd be hard pressed to even consider paying much over $600-800 for a dishwasher.

 

[dj-gabriele]

Wow, that is way too long.
Three hours for the energy save cycle is way more than enough!

The normal cycle in my machine lasts 72 minutes and it uses 18 litres of water. (made in 2005) AAB class, 12 place settings. The ECO cycle is 140 minutes.
And this is from a BOL machine...

The normal cycle in my parents machine lasts 85 minutes and uses 13 litres of water. (made in 2009) AAA class, 14 place setting. The ECO cycle is 175 minutes.
This machine on the other hand is MOL.

Anyway, I checked the water use on the ASKO page and it says 13,9 litres, it's just under 3,7 gallons! Only a little more than my parents' dishwasher.

 

[frigilux]

The Normal cycle on my LG automatically engages the soil sensor to determine the length/number of water changes for the cycle. Fortunately, it often opts to shorten the cycle, and I never pre-rinse dishes. Only on very rare occasions has it lengthened it.  The cycle time defaults to 2:19, but it's often done between 1:30 and 1:50, even when I add the steam and 160-degree final rinse options.  Most often, it uses 4.5-5.5 gallons of water.  If the load is small or very lightly soiled, it will use 3.5 gallons.

 

I'm guessing the ASKO also defaults to a soil sensor.  The load Consumer Reports uses for their tests is, by their own admission, quite a tough, heavily-soiled load.  The ASKO probably defaults to a longer cycle time with more changes of water.  I checked again, and it states the ASKO used 7 gallons of water for their test cycle.

 

Miele:  Two expensive new Miele dishwashers ranked at the very bottom of the ratings due to extremely poor cleaning results, partially the fault of wash arms that clogged during testing.  CR says that Miele has come up with a 'fix' for the problem.  They will undoubtedly retest the machines soon after they have been fixed.

 

 

[logixx]

Our Siemens from 2006 takes 2.5 hours on the ECO cycle and roughly 2 hours when using the autoNormal cycle. autoHeavy takes a little longer. It uses around four gallons on most cycles. Using the varioSpeed and Half Load options, I can clean and sanitize a not too heavily soiled load in 65 minutes.

Some dishwashers have a special night cycle of some sort. Whirlpool/Bauknecht has one that produces only 38dB as does the Miele Extra Quiet cycle. This particular cycle on the Miele runs 4:45 hrs.

Bosch/Siemens also have a 38 db dishwasher available but without a dedicated cycle for quietness.

As for conservation: Bosch/Siemens are the best as of now with a series of dishwashers that only consumes 1.7 gal. by recycling clean rinse water to pre-wash the next load. Now, Whirlpool announced a dishwasher that's supposed to only need 1,58 gal. as part of their Green Kitchen project.

Alex

 

[combo52]

LONG DW RUN TIMES

I will never have a DW that runs more than an hour, has the have dishes pre-rinsed, or that I have to clean messy filters on ever. I also like hearing the sound of water when my machine is running. I had a good customer that got a Miele DW and hated it because it took over two hours and didn't dry worth a darn, she said I want my old KA back and I always loved the sound of water as I thought I was at the ocean. Needless to say the Miele was only around a year or so and the first breakdown she said get me a real DW again and in went a standard tub KM Ultra-Wash machine.

 

I think it is interesting that CRs doesn't say how much electricity these new machines use running 2 or 3 hours. Also keeping a 2x2x3 foot box in your kitchen heated on the inside to around 140 degrees for 2 or 3 hours has to be putting an extra load on your homes AC system. The only benefit I can see in the new machines is water saving but this comes with wasting water rinsing dishes and then cleaning the sink and the stinking filter in the machine.

 

[jlbrazil]

My european Whirlpool usually takes 1:20 for the "normal 6th sense" cycle.. It can vary between 0:50 to 1:50 , and it use between 6 - 15 L.
The "Heavy 6th sesnse" usually takes 2:10 .. It can vary between 1:30 to 2:30 , and it use between 9 - 18L.
BTW , its really quiet to, rated at 44 dBa

 

[mark_wpduet]

My WP tall tub on the pots/pans cycle (longest) high temp wash, no heated dry takes around 90 mins. I recently starting using this cycle because it rinses twice. The normal cycle is like 70 minutes with high temp

 

[frigilux]

John---Like you, I'm not interested in a dishwasher with a manual-clean filter. However, I do like a very quiet dishwasher, as I'm usually working in the kitchen for hours at a time washing successive loads, so I get tired of hearing it. The LG was the quietest machine I could find that still had food grinder/self-cleaning filter (45 db). It's so quiet, I'll occasionally forget it's running and open the door to put something inside.

I don't miss the (relatively) louder operating sounds of my former dishwashers, a Maytag and a Frigidaire. Were I a person who loaded and started the dishwasher, then left the kitchen, the noise level probably wouldn't be as important to me.

 

[mrb627]

Long Whirlpool

Wasn't there a Whirlpool with a soak option that would make the cycle over four hours?

Malcolm

 

[appnut]

whirlpool Soak

Yes there was Malcolm, and it's still being marketed.

 

[tolivac]

forget it I don't want a dishwasher that takes over two hours to do a load either.TIME is more valueable to me than the electricty or water.I seriously question something like a dishwasher or clothes washer running for that long is REALLY saving energy.Does the machine have a water pump that is as weak as a yard sprinkler-hence the long runtimes?

 

[lavamat_jon]

"Long" is a subjective, and interpretive word...

...which is why a lot of manufacturers on this side of the pond now at least offer you either a standard, eco-friendly cycle which will take 1h45-2h45 (depending which cycle you've selected), or with an option button a quicker, slightly less eco-friendly cycle delivering results in anything from 0h50-1h30.

 

The Turbo option on my dishwasher will use "up to 0.3kWh" more according to the programme table in the manual, however still delivers great results in a short cycle.

 

If I put the dishwasher on overnight, I don't bother and let it do it's thing overnight - it's all going to be done in the morning.  However if it's on during the day or evening I will put it on Turbo - by the time I've had a cup of tea and watched Coronation Street and EastEnders of an evening the dishwasher is done...

 

Quietness is major importance to me when it came to choosing dishwashers - ours is rated 44dB, and you only hear a bare trickle, which is all you want in a flat like ours where the kitchen is open plan to the living space.

 

Jon