Brokeback Mountain DVD

[veg-o-matic]

Those shirts get me every time.

No, the reversal of the shirts on the hanger wasn't a lapse in continuity. At least I don't think so.

I saw it as the outer shirt "embracing" the inner. In Jack's closet, it was his shirt on the outside. The reverse in Ennis'.

I may have mentioned this, but the shirts were sold on ebay for over 100Gs to a gay rights activist whose name escapes me. He's keeping the shirts just the way they are, thank goodness! He apparently said something to the tune of "they're the Ruby Slippers for a new generation." I couldn't agree more.

veg

 

[toggleswitch]

LOVE is a man(l)y splendored thing.

The outer *shirt* has the inner *shirt* in its heart and soul.

P.S. I saw the movie (for the second time) with two great guys-- and put our three coats/jackets one over the other over a seat in front of us. The dense b_ _ _ _ rds had no I idea I was trying to say "I love you guys".

*SIGH*

 

[brettsomers]

Dont let this happen to YOU!...

got my copy today, and g@damm!t, i accidentally got the *full screen* version... waaaahh! i wanted letterbox!

 

[agiflow]

Steve, i already know you do...right back at you kid. ;-)

 

[sudsmaster]

In the original short story, Ennis had to move his trailer, because the ranch he was working on was sold and the last thing the owner did was throw him the keys to the barn and tell Ennis to give them to the bank representative the next day. In the story, Ennis is worried that the high winds will cause problems for his horse trailer. But it doesn't say where he is going.

I half thought that if this was real life, perhaps Jack might have written a will, and left what little he had to Ennis. But that possibility was not explored in the movie or original story. But of course few of us at 39 have written wills - at least not in 1983, when he died (he was 19 in 1963 when he met Ennis, and 39 when he died). And, unlike Ennis, Jack seemed to have no concerns that his life might be in danger.

I didn't catch the shirt within a shirt both times I saw the movie at home. I recognized the blue shirt, but didn't recognize the beige shirt as another shirt inside it. I thought maybe it was a pair of PJ's... Ennis' clothes were that threadbare.

Also, in the story, the blood on Jack's shirt sleeve is from his fist fight with Ennis back in '63. The second time I saw the movie, I had come to the wrong conclusion - that it was the shirt he was wearing when he was killed. It all makes more sense now, especially with Ennis' wondering out loud back in '63 why he left his good shirt up on the mountain. I can tell Jack was a collector ;-)

 

[whirlcool]

We were so taken aback ...

by this movie we added it to our small video collection. We bought it at Walmart and the DVD was mixed in with the groceries. When the cashier rang it up, she said to my wife "Do YOU know what kind of movie this is?" Karen said "My husband wants it", the clerks eyes just got kinda big and rolled. I then asked her "What kind of movie IS THIS?", she replied "Definitely ADULT ENTERTAINMENT"!
Believe it or not, Brokeback got us pretty good, too.

 

[brettsomers]

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[brettsomers]

OOPS

i was soo busy frothing all over my keyboard, i messed up! i woulda told that idiot cashier tramp OFF! "EXCUSE ME? do you make it a habit to comment on customers purchases? does your manager approve of this? no i DONT know what this movie is about, why dont you TELL ME?" "honey, if you cant keep your mouth shut about peoples purchases, maybe you should get another job!"

 

[jetcone]

Did anyone notice

the small little 10 second scenes that were in the dvd and not the theater version?? I counted almost 8- 10 sec scenes of tenderness between Jack & Ennis when I watched the dvd!
I saw it 4 times at the theater and never did I see any of these scenes there. The first scene I noticed was when they first made love in the tent, they held hands under Jack. That was not in the movie at the theater.
Its almost as if the tenderness was more threatening between them than anything else.

As for the story and film it always leaves me speechless.

 

[whirlcool]

My wife has been playing selected scenes from this movie and everytime she hits something new, she calls me in the den to see it myself.
If you watch a scene several times you pick up on new things or alternative meanings.
But whenever Karen plays the Let Me Be scene, I have to pretty much leave the room. I hate seeing a man collapse in emotional overload. It makes me very uncomfortable and actually I get teary eyed from it. Plus the music that goes along with that scene can jerk the tears right out of you by itself!
When Ennis says "Its because of you Jack that I turned out this way" does he mean:

1. He has never been able to rise above poverty due to quiting all his other jobs earlier to meet up with Jack (I'm a nothing, a nowhere...)
2. He's blaming Jack for starting this relationship?

There are just too many too good lines in this movie. You know sometimes when we rent a movie to watch we end up thinking "What in the WORLD were they thinking when they made this POS?"
But BBM makes up for at least a year of all the other crap movies we have seen. That's why we bought it, it's a keeper!

 

[DADoES]

Some of the little details caught on DVD viewings not noticed in a theater (like the abovementioned holding of hands) could be due to framing/cropping of the picture. Both a widescreen and full screen DVD likely are framed differently than a theater image.

 

[sudsmaster]

All of the above...

When Ennis met Jack, he was quite poor but his life ahead looked promising - about to marry in the fall. He was hard working and uncomplaining, and probably was the kind of employee bosses like.

By the time of the "Leave me be" seen, Ennis was divorced, saddled with alimony payments, and still working low paying temporary ranching and back breaking labor jobs. The years of feeling he had to hide his relationship with Jack had taken their toll - and he was tormented by fears of discovery. Ironically, their secret was out before they left the mountain in '63, as their boss had viewed their relationship via binoculars, and four years later, Ennis's wife saw them in a passionate embrace.

It's not really fair to Jack, because although Jack initiated the relationship, Ennis was all too willing to reciprocate. And Ennis initiated the kissing scene that his wife accidentally witnessed. And who's to say that Ennis' emotionally repressed and occasionally violent personality wouldn't have eventually resulted in divorce and a lifetime of poverty, anyway, without having met Jack on Brokeback.

 

[whirlcool]

Brett:

Your response the the WalMart cashier had me rolling out of my chair laughing so hard! I wish I would have thought of that!

Sudsmaster:

Thanks for your take on this scene. Personally, I think that Ennis was too busy just surviving in a rather harsh world and hadn't had the time/experiences or luxury to fully develop emotionally. Just look at the way he stands there, just like a little kid being scolded when Jack starts to bitch about November being the next meet up time.
The writer of this story said she's done with it. There will be no sequel. What do you think Ennis' future held at the end of the movie? He seems to be done with women.

 

[whirlcool]

One thought did cross my mind....

I wonder how many people at their local video store rented this movie not knowing the subject matter and then "got an education" while they were viewing it?
With a lot of the shocking scenes in this movie, they just happen with little forewarning of what is to come. They just happen and are done and over with before you can fully digest what you just saw. Just amazing.

 

[toggleswitch]

What do you think Ennis' future held at the end of the movie? -He seems to be done with women.
I think he was more disguisted that he found what works for him and (felt he) had to hide it. You can FEEL the the extent of his self-loathing.

"It's because of you Jack that I turned out this way"
-IMHO he could not deny his love and attraction to men, or at least ONE man. Of course it would hve been easier to deny his attraction.

Even today people don't seem to understand that your *preference/orientation* is the gender you could love STRONGER and DEEPER. ANYONE can do anything physically and spiritually with either gender; and that does NOT a preference determine.

To wit:

Pre-Chrisianity it was commonplace for both genders to dabble with both genders.
In Amercia a man touches a man and he is a POOF. Period.
In the Arab or Hispanic world unless he is performing the *female* role a man is still seen as a *man*.

Think about this- with infibulation in the Arab world (look it up) where are the men to turn but to each-other? And they think NOTHING of it privately. Publically is another issue.

It is sad in this day and age such a fuss is made over orientation. We dont burn-at-the stake left-handed people anymore even though we all KNOW they are EVIL. That they have an agenda to convert everyone and their are inherantly no good. LOL (Ducks and runs)

[I'm left-handed, which technically means I'm one of the few in my right-mind].

 

[toggleswitch]

Hate and fear are learned.......

They just happen and are done and over with before you can fully digest what you just saw. Just amazing.

You can only give the public what they are ready to handle.
That scene was incredibly rushed by anyone's standards, even bad, low-budget porn.

I am sure they had to depict it that way for the sake of the movie's rating, as well.

I wonder how many str8 actors actually think *this isn't so bad*.

 

[sudsmaster]

Whirlcool,

Well, Proulx wrote the story many years ago, so of course she's done with it. If she had intended to do a sequel, it would have been done by now. And with Jack gone, it would be very difficult to work up another angle.

That said, I still think the movie ends on a slightly upbeat note - mainly, Ennis finally begins to realize how cutting himself off from other people is not working and not really what he wants. He finally agrees to attend his daughter's wedding, shelving his usual excuses of work and poverty. That is a smidgeon of the character development we all like to see, whether it's in fiction or real life. And the look of joy on his daughter's face makes it very worthwhile.

Toggle,

I have heard a similar thing about the pre-christian era. Like you say about modern Arab/Hispanic cultures, the Romans and Greeks didn't lose respect for a man as long as he was in the dominant role. And wasn't Alexander the Great the one who established a great monument, if not a city, in honor of his favorite male lover, who drowned in the Nile?

Ennis' self-loathing becomes painfully obvious when he can't relate to the bouncy waitress who keeps on trying to break though to him. "I don't get you, Ennis Del Mar!" she says tearfully in frustration at his refusal to return her calls and messages. Perhaps that's because, Ennis didn't "get himself".

 

[washendry]

Lefties

Toggle,
We left handers are in our Right frame of Mind, even my Identical Twin brother agrees with me on that one,
Kim

 

[appnut]

I too am in my right mind, although many will probably disagree.

 

[sudsmaster]

Bob,

I think silence implies consent.