Up North-where there are basements-washers can be found.in the South where I live we have no basements-generally the old machine gets hauled away when someone buys a new one-they don't have the space to keep the old one-and if they did keep it-would have been put into an unheated-unconditioned barn to corrode and rust away.Then the machine is just nothing but corroded krusher bait.and the few appliance repair places here THROW AWAY older machines.I asked them to hold any older ones they find-they say they don't run into them often.I only have limited space-so I will have to narrow my vintage washer choices to a few.don't have the huge basements here to keep them in and repair them.wished I did.I am planning on adding a few more TL machines to my collection.don't like seeing the "Horror stories" on LG equipment.Those are heavily promoted here.Also there used to be a fellow out here years ago that had many older washers,dryers and fridges in a barn near his house-he repaired and collected them.Sadly he died and his appliance place is no more.I used to get parts from him.Now there is only one place in Ayden NC that I go to for washers and such.And most of what he has is no older than 80's.
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Great post, Keven. I think I read not long ago that the average American washload was about 14 pounds.
Hey Shane, thanks for the tip on the Epics. I'll have to check them out next time I'm cruising the appliance department.
And appnut, I'm as interested in how the machine peforms as in how it looks but there's no question that most people who have joined this site appreciate their appliances--especially the vintage ones--for their industrial design. My laundry hook-ups are in the garage so really looks aren't that important but I sure would like to end up with something that's pleasing to the eye and the Duets just aren't. Still, if it turns out a Duet/KA/HE machine is the right one for me, that's what I'll buy.
And appnut, I'm as interested in how the machine peforms as in how it looks but there's no question that most people who have joined this site appreciate their appliances--especially the vintage ones--for their industrial design. My laundry hook-ups are in the garage so really looks aren't that important but I sure would like to end up with something that's pleasing to the eye and the Duets just aren't. Still, if it turns out a Duet/KA/HE machine is the right one for me, that's what I'll buy.
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With all the hype about machines being water and energy efficient, I am sure that some people are still filling their pools and watering their lawns and not worrying about water or energy conservation.
Get your paws, er I mean laws off my washer!
We worry about water conservation, when water is actually "limitless". 3/4 of the Earth's surface is coverd with water. Mere distillation provides the purest water available Yes it costs. So does everything else in life.
Newsflash, If we used ocean, river or other un-potable water to condense the steam into water at our electric generationg faciites, we woudl 1)- Get "Free" distilled water 2)- not have to relase waste heat into the environment without harness it for a second purpose.
Shouldn't the government be worried about adding disposing of pesticides and chemicals into the Earth? Perhaps that should be regulated.
We won't even get into how much radiation we have released in the Middle-East with this "conflict". Perhaps if we made photo-electric solar collectors on every roof mandatory, and had Uncle Sam pay to install and maintain them, our dependence on foreign oil would drop and we would stop financing the unrest from that region of the world. We would not need to go there and spend billions of dollars.
But I digress don't I?
We worry about water conservation, when water is actually "limitless". 3/4 of the Earth's surface is coverd with water. Mere distillation provides the purest water available Yes it costs. So does everything else in life.
Newsflash, If we used ocean, river or other un-potable water to condense the steam into water at our electric generationg faciites, we woudl 1)- Get "Free" distilled water 2)- not have to relase waste heat into the environment without harness it for a second purpose.
Shouldn't the government be worried about adding disposing of pesticides and chemicals into the Earth? Perhaps that should be regulated.
We won't even get into how much radiation we have released in the Middle-East with this "conflict". Perhaps if we made photo-electric solar collectors on every roof mandatory, and had Uncle Sam pay to install and maintain them, our dependence on foreign oil would drop and we would stop financing the unrest from that region of the world. We would not need to go there and spend billions of dollars.
But I digress don't I?
Don't you be touching my washer now, honey.
P.S It takes about 150 gallons (600 L) of water to make a Sunday newspaper. Is there any reason we can't get this info via internet and only print what we need/read?
Now THAT is a waste of water in my limited way of thinking!
P.S It takes about 150 gallons (600 L) of water to make a Sunday newspaper. Is there any reason we can't get this info via internet and only print what we need/read?
Now THAT is a waste of water in my limited way of thinking!
Good point, Ross.
Obviously, energy efficient washing machines are just part of the solution - especially in desert areas. That's why I'd like to see more action in the area of water reclamation. "Grey" water (from all of those swimming pools and other non-sewage applications) can and should be available to water the lawns and golf courses - perhaps even used for industrial applications where potable water is not necessary (cooling systems and car washes? Maybe even some industrial laundry applications?)
As far as energy conservation goes, the Southwest is ripe for solar, and the existing electrical grid can support small scale generation. It just needs a nudge from the feds.
With intelligent planning and infrastructure investment, we don't have to sacrifice our lifestyle. But, so far, we are unwilling to go there. Maybe California will shame the feds into action.
Obviously, energy efficient washing machines are just part of the solution - especially in desert areas. That's why I'd like to see more action in the area of water reclamation. "Grey" water (from all of those swimming pools and other non-sewage applications) can and should be available to water the lawns and golf courses - perhaps even used for industrial applications where potable water is not necessary (cooling systems and car washes? Maybe even some industrial laundry applications?)
As far as energy conservation goes, the Southwest is ripe for solar, and the existing electrical grid can support small scale generation. It just needs a nudge from the feds.
With intelligent planning and infrastructure investment, we don't have to sacrifice our lifestyle. But, so far, we are unwilling to go there. Maybe California will shame the feds into action.
We could also burn garbage to generate electricity and "scrub the stack" to prevent particulate effluent.
But why "THINK" we we can just keep sucking oil out of the ground and giving our money away to other regions of the world, instead of reinvesting it in our own areas.
Yes water usage is the devil. I can see that clearly. O M G
But why "THINK" we we can just keep sucking oil out of the ground and giving our money away to other regions of the world, instead of reinvesting it in our own areas.
Yes water usage is the devil. I can see that clearly. O M G
neptunebob
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I never thought as Duets as ugly and I wanted the blue one..
But when my younger sister bought the He4t I showed her the Duet and her husband, my BIL, who is very much into fitness, blurted out "No, It's Too Gay, I don't want it looking at me when I work out!" That was the end of the Duet, which I wanted because it had a clear window and you can barely see into the He4t. Meanwhile, I have to wonder if whoever came up with the name "Duet" is still working at Whirlpool.
But when my younger sister bought the He4t I showed her the Duet and her husband, my BIL, who is very much into fitness, blurted out "No, It's Too Gay, I don't want it looking at me when I work out!" That was the end of the Duet, which I wanted because it had a clear window and you can barely see into the He4t. Meanwhile, I have to wonder if whoever came up with the name "Duet" is still working at Whirlpool.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but if your brother-in-law is concerned about a 'gay' washer looking at him while he works out.........
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Well he is Italian and very much into fitness (triathlons, marathons, martial arts, swimming)but my sister is so happy since they have been together. But he is better looking than that other Italian, Rick!.
arrrooohhh
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Whatever happened to Whirlpools water saving traditional top loader that used spin rinses instead of the deep rinse?
Fisher and Paykel and Simpson/Westinghouse both offer the option of normal deep rinse and eco rinse which showers the clothes.
I believe its a slow spin with a long spray of water that then speeds up providing a flushing action. Havent ever seen one in action though someone I know who has F&P says that she finds the eco rinse fine.
Fisher and Paykel and Simpson/Westinghouse both offer the option of normal deep rinse and eco rinse which showers the clothes.
I believe its a slow spin with a long spray of water that then speeds up providing a flushing action. Havent ever seen one in action though someone I know who has F&P says that she finds the eco rinse fine.
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Ah, the old Top vs. Bottom,
..ah, ummm, I mean side loading preference. I guess it just depends on your preference. ;-0
Butte, ah, really,
as far as energy standards are, it is not as simple as simply not using as much water.
It costs energy to pump fresh water and treat it and heat it. The faster population grows, and it is, the more water is pumped and this in some places is lowering ground water table levels. In other areas such as LA one is already living on borrowed water. (the Colorado river)
Then there is the treatment of the discharge water. It costs money and energy to treat sewage. In the U.S. it is rather chemical dependant, unfortunately. If your on a Septic system it is preferred not to have large volumes of water drain into it at once. As it can prematurely rush water into the drainage field.
You really can't do much more with small appliances, stoves, micros, vacuums, and periodically used appliances. I can understand the push to make more efficient washing machines. (and A/C units and refrigerators and water heaters). We have come along way with gas furnaces from the days of 50% efficiencies in houses not well insulated. I just installed a 96% efficient gas furnace. There is very little heat going out the exhaust pipe.
As someone mentioned they will gradually push to phase out TLer's. I am guessing that the new Whirlpools are being made with lower grade metal in hopes that they will not last as long. I know they recently changed the drain hose design so that is all one piece from the pump out.?? what ever.
But calm down everyone, there are now over 300 million people in the U.S. and I would think there is probably at least 40 million automatic washers in this our fair land.
Even if our club here of a couple hundred people could get our hands on a mere fraction of those soon to be discarded machines we could, eventually, scrounge, say, 1000 machines or so for each member(shipping and storage not included). not too bad.
)
Well there are countries where millions of people, I think it is like 1/3 of the worlds total population does not have access to reliable potable running water. Forget about softened, treated for iron and heated.
As much as I like my 6 year old Kenmore TL MOL washer I am definately looking at a FL, but I, like the rest here am hesitant. Old habits die hard. I have never even seen a FL in action.
I guess it is time to come out of the laundry room closet for me. ... so I'm keeping an open mind on the Top vs Bottom, I mean side debate, thing.
..ah, ummm, I mean side loading preference. I guess it just depends on your preference. ;-0
Butte, ah, really,
as far as energy standards are, it is not as simple as simply not using as much water.
It costs energy to pump fresh water and treat it and heat it. The faster population grows, and it is, the more water is pumped and this in some places is lowering ground water table levels. In other areas such as LA one is already living on borrowed water. (the Colorado river)
Then there is the treatment of the discharge water. It costs money and energy to treat sewage. In the U.S. it is rather chemical dependant, unfortunately. If your on a Septic system it is preferred not to have large volumes of water drain into it at once. As it can prematurely rush water into the drainage field.
You really can't do much more with small appliances, stoves, micros, vacuums, and periodically used appliances. I can understand the push to make more efficient washing machines. (and A/C units and refrigerators and water heaters). We have come along way with gas furnaces from the days of 50% efficiencies in houses not well insulated. I just installed a 96% efficient gas furnace. There is very little heat going out the exhaust pipe.
As someone mentioned they will gradually push to phase out TLer's. I am guessing that the new Whirlpools are being made with lower grade metal in hopes that they will not last as long. I know they recently changed the drain hose design so that is all one piece from the pump out.?? what ever.
But calm down everyone, there are now over 300 million people in the U.S. and I would think there is probably at least 40 million automatic washers in this our fair land.
Even if our club here of a couple hundred people could get our hands on a mere fraction of those soon to be discarded machines we could, eventually, scrounge, say, 1000 machines or so for each member(shipping and storage not included). not too bad.
)Well there are countries where millions of people, I think it is like 1/3 of the worlds total population does not have access to reliable potable running water. Forget about softened, treated for iron and heated.
As much as I like my 6 year old Kenmore TL MOL washer I am definately looking at a FL, but I, like the rest here am hesitant. Old habits die hard. I have never even seen a FL in action.
I guess it is time to come out of the laundry room closet for me. ... so I'm keeping an open mind on the Top vs Bottom, I mean side debate, thing.
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NeptuneBob, you should have explained to your BIL that the Duets are a LESBIAN washer/dryer couple.
He would have looked at them strangely for a few minutes, had a brief but dazzling moment of recognition, gotten really excited about the whole purchase, worked out from then on with much more vim and vigor, and...
Well, think about it. A little imagination, and everyone's needs are met....
He would have looked at them strangely for a few minutes, had a brief but dazzling moment of recognition, gotten really excited about the whole purchase, worked out from then on with much more vim and vigor, and...
Well, think about it. A little imagination, and everyone's needs are met....
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LESBIAN washer/dryer couple
quick, head-count of lesbian appliance freaks!
quick, head-count of lesbian appliance freaks!
neptunebob
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Oxydolfan I didn't know that! Wish I had becuase they would have bought a Duet and I would not have such a hard time seeing the laundry though the tinted window. Oh, well, I'm still happy, the He4t is Sedona. As for my BIL, I notice he is not around me too much, probably senses that he sends chills up and down my spine.
Arrho I don't think the "Resource Saver" Whirlpools sold very well, probably becuase it was not possible to use fabric softener in them - that is just not the American way. Also, they had the "dumbed down" temperatures for barely warm water and when tested by Consumer Reports did not do well. But look for this concept to make a comeback if it would conserve.
Washertalk, you are right about energy used to treat sewage. I went on a tour of Alcosan, the main sewage treatment Pittsburgh and our guide said that the biggest bill they pay is to Duquesne Light for electricity - $300,000 a month. The second largest expense is to Highmark Blue Cross for health insurance, salaries are third place. Alcosan and Allegheny will spend 3 Billion dollars over the next ten years to improve our sewer system, more than two new stadiums combined.
Arrho I don't think the "Resource Saver" Whirlpools sold very well, probably becuase it was not possible to use fabric softener in them - that is just not the American way. Also, they had the "dumbed down" temperatures for barely warm water and when tested by Consumer Reports did not do well. But look for this concept to make a comeback if it would conserve.
Washertalk, you are right about energy used to treat sewage. I went on a tour of Alcosan, the main sewage treatment Pittsburgh and our guide said that the biggest bill they pay is to Duquesne Light for electricity - $300,000 a month. The second largest expense is to Highmark Blue Cross for health insurance, salaries are third place. Alcosan and Allegheny will spend 3 Billion dollars over the next ten years to improve our sewer system, more than two new stadiums combined.
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Oh, yes a gay appliance??
It is interesting that a 'hetero' guy would speak so resentfully. Am I the only person who senses a Washer lover in denial. perhaps someone needs to bring this little buck to the the light and show him the glory of the AW.org community.
It is interesting that a 'hetero' guy would speak so resentfully. Am I the only person who senses a Washer lover in denial. perhaps someone needs to bring this little buck to the the light and show him the glory of the AW.org community.
Lesbian Washer Freak Head-Count Update: (insert sound of crickets chirping)
I don't understand the fuss. FL machines do quickwashes in 20 to 30 mins. You don't have to put everything in on a 2 hour extra soak cotton cycle if you don't want to
The european approach to laundry generally is "Set and forget" i.e you put the clothes into the washer and let it wash. E.g. on the way out to work in the morning we'd often put in a large load of towels. They're done to perfection when you get back.
I haven't found top loaders THAT much more convenient or all that much faster either.
They also can't take enormous loads even though they've vast drums. All you end up with is laundry not turning over / not moving or getting damaged.
At least with a front loader you can pack the drum and get decent results.
The european approach to laundry generally is "Set and forget" i.e you put the clothes into the washer and let it wash. E.g. on the way out to work in the morning we'd often put in a large load of towels. They're done to perfection when you get back.
I haven't found top loaders THAT much more convenient or all that much faster either.
They also can't take enormous loads even though they've vast drums. All you end up with is laundry not turning over / not moving or getting damaged.
At least with a front loader you can pack the drum and get decent results.
Seeing a FL in Action
WT, besides the infrequent trip to the laundromat to wash a comforter, the only FL I've been intimate with (does that sound perverted even to this group or what?) is the old '50-ish Westy Laundromat I got for free when I was a kid. The drum leaked so had it hooked up outside and washed old shop rags etc in it and even my dad remarked about how it made more sense to lift the clothes out of the water and let them drop down, much like the old beating on a rock in the river routine. I really liked to watch that machine in action, and even though it was a beater (so to speak!) it went about its business quietly. I've preferred FL's ever since and now that there are many to choose from here in the U.S. I'll have mine before too long. I still have the Laundromat but I'll never be able to fix it myself so I'm sure it will go to a good home sometime soon now that I've found this site. . .
Ralph
WT, besides the infrequent trip to the laundromat to wash a comforter, the only FL I've been intimate with (does that sound perverted even to this group or what?) is the old '50-ish Westy Laundromat I got for free when I was a kid. The drum leaked so had it hooked up outside and washed old shop rags etc in it and even my dad remarked about how it made more sense to lift the clothes out of the water and let them drop down, much like the old beating on a rock in the river routine. I really liked to watch that machine in action, and even though it was a beater (so to speak!) it went about its business quietly. I've preferred FL's ever since and now that there are many to choose from here in the U.S. I'll have mine before too long. I still have the Laundromat but I'll never be able to fix it myself so I'm sure it will go to a good home sometime soon now that I've found this site. . .
Ralph
