cfz2882
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Sitting in a junk line up: -decently clean WP: larger than usual horizontal split capacitor wash pump and wet rotor drain pump. 2006. Might grab it for repair evaluation if these are decent.
(dishwasher) are these any good? mid-'00s WP horizontal motor.
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michaelz08
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Sounds like a point voyager.
I think the general consensus is that they're good, but the plastic shaft connecting the motor to the chopper blade seems to wear down over time. But there's a rebuild kit you can get to fix that.
I think the general consensus is that they're good, but the plastic shaft connecting the motor to the chopper blade seems to wear down over time. But there's a rebuild kit you can get to fix that.
That's probably a point voyager. I'm curious about the spray power. I had a 2007 Whirlpool Gold which left glasses cruddy in the corners and upper rack later in 2008.
vacerator
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I thought the Point Voyager was the first low water use design. Not a side mount.
The Point Voyagers were “less water use” than the PowerCleans they replaced.
They were a horizontal pump design that replicated a PowrClean module on its side. It did this with moderate success.
The PointVoyagers came out right when detergents were reformulated without phosphates and really suffered from that. After the detergent companies sorted things out within several years, the PointVoyagers were as good as any other dishwasher.
But that initial combo kinda dinged their reputation.
They were a horizontal pump design that replicated a PowrClean module on its side. It did this with moderate success.
The PointVoyagers came out right when detergents were reformulated without phosphates and really suffered from that. After the detergent companies sorted things out within several years, the PointVoyagers were as good as any other dishwasher.
But that initial combo kinda dinged their reputation.
Disagree, lower rack performance is acceptable but upper rack performance is miserable. I'm still on the lookout to replace mine that's aggravating the hell out of me. Worst performing dishwasher I have owned in 40 years.
It's quiet though, if noise is an important factor.
michaelz08
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Have you made sure the seals in the spray arm both where it connects to the back of the tub and where the arm mounts to the rack are in good shape? IIRC there is a nylon washer on the latter.
Mine quit cleaning the glasses in 2008. I thought the point voyager came out in 2000-2001.
magic_clean
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Qsd-Dan, please check:
*is there sufficient water in the machine? If it is a stainless steel tub model; the water level should be up to the bottom of the heating element at minimum. Also confirm the unit is level! It might be time to replace the water inlet valve.
*is the chopper blade and screen clean? While you have the pump cover off, inspect the rubber check valve. It may be deteriorated or have swelled impairing its operation.
*depending on the age of your machine, a new upper spray arm would help. The arm and jets were modified to improve overall cleaning. Especially in the corners. As mentioned by MichaelZ08, check the water path to upper spray arm.
*Be sure to use a quality detergent.
The parts mentioned are modestly priced. So from a cost standpoint, it shouldn't cost much to tune up your machine. They are quite capable of doing a good job with dishes that have been just scraped or perhaps very lightly rinsed to remove gross amounts of food residue.
-LP
*is there sufficient water in the machine? If it is a stainless steel tub model; the water level should be up to the bottom of the heating element at minimum. Also confirm the unit is level! It might be time to replace the water inlet valve.
*is the chopper blade and screen clean? While you have the pump cover off, inspect the rubber check valve. It may be deteriorated or have swelled impairing its operation.
*depending on the age of your machine, a new upper spray arm would help. The arm and jets were modified to improve overall cleaning. Especially in the corners. As mentioned by MichaelZ08, check the water path to upper spray arm.
*Be sure to use a quality detergent.
The parts mentioned are modestly priced. So from a cost standpoint, it shouldn't cost much to tune up your machine. They are quite capable of doing a good job with dishes that have been just scraped or perhaps very lightly rinsed to remove gross amounts of food residue.
-LP
Are you sure? When my mom's point voyager whirlpool gold was at her house, she had to use pots and pans and soak and scour due to the cleaning performance. I have an LG which cleans like a power clean.
lakewebsterkid
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We had one. The seal for the top spray arm in the back of the tub failed. Replaced that and removed inlet flow restrictor. Performance was largely improved.
So, what else is there to do during Thanksgiving for someone who's not into Turkey or fraternizing about useless nonsensical babble? Tear into an appliance, of course!
Enter the Piece-of-Shitenaid KUDS03CTSS3
I'm reminded why I don't like self cleaning dishwashers (at least this design for sure!!), lots of crap in the sump/chopper screen/filter mesh/upper contant rinse arm/rear mounted shower...thingy in just 1 year although not anywhere as bad as the first time I dug into it. I recently dug into my KDS-18 a couple of weeks ago and it was still perfectly clean after 15 years except for a little bit of hard water deposits from the previous residence (needs more use/love on the current water softener). Re-checked height of lower drain impeller shim and upper wash impeller shims with the gauges....still on the money!
https://www.appliancepartspros.com/upper-wash-rinse-parts-for-whirlpool-kuds03ctss3.html
As for the upper spray arm seal, it doesn't look worn but I could replace it.
As seen in this picture, the roof is still a mess from crappy spraying performance from the upper rack wash arm.
Here's a picture of the rubber check valve. It not deterioated nor has it swelled.
Enter the Piece-of-Shitenaid KUDS03CTSS3
I'm reminded why I don't like self cleaning dishwashers (at least this design for sure!!), lots of crap in the sump/chopper screen/filter mesh/upper contant rinse arm/rear mounted shower...thingy in just 1 year although not anywhere as bad as the first time I dug into it. I recently dug into my KDS-18 a couple of weeks ago and it was still perfectly clean after 15 years except for a little bit of hard water deposits from the previous residence (needs more use/love on the current water softener). Re-checked height of lower drain impeller shim and upper wash impeller shims with the gauges....still on the money!
The 2 little doors where the water supply manifold probe opens? The unused lower one is fine and shuts tightly. The upper one (used 100% of the time) no longer closes and remains open.
https://www.appliancepartspros.com/upper-wash-rinse-parts-for-whirlpool-kuds03ctss3.html
As for the upper spray arm seal, it doesn't look worn but I could replace it.
As seen in this picture, the roof is still a mess from crappy spraying performance from the upper rack wash arm.
Yes, it's filling to its proper water level. The dishwasher has been on a water softener since day one.
Beer-can-metal chopper blade and screen replaced last year. Overall performance increased but upper rack performance remains dismal.
Here's a picture of the rubber check valve. It not deterioated nor has it swelled.
This is the spray arm I have. Corners are not a problem, it's the middle that has the worst dead spot zone.
Cascade powder 100% of the time. Pods/tabs sudslock it. Gel detergent produces mediocre results at best.
Are you considering that condition a current operational problem? The upper flap remains open while the rack is in the upper position which you reference is 100% of the time.
That was my point. I don't think it would make a difference if that seal was replaced or not. However, the poster made this comment...
Have you made sure the seals in the spray arm both where it connects to the back of the tub and where the arm mounts to the rack are in good shape?
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