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From Cape Cod to Brooklyn...a KitchenAid KDS-58
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Originally posted on 5/13/2017
Well it's finally home. It was a long drive, but always so nice to see the cape. It was already in the driveway when I pulled up, an old sea-dog (or pirate) was the proprietor.
So after we sang a few sea shanties, he and his grandson, (or boy?) helped me load it on to the truck. He sure was gushing about the condition of the KDS-58. "Only used on Thanksgiving and Christmas, it's virtually new!" The way he went on, it was sounding like a sales pitch. I have to say, it does look minty. Clean inside and out. The butcher block top has some marks on it, but nothing that can't be sanded out. There are some detergent stains, but apparently those can be cleaned off. Anyway, be posting pictures in a bit.
Oh did I mention it was FREE?
Thanks again Phil!
P.S. This is the second KDS I've gotten from Cape Cod. Whats up with that?
Original Craigslist ad thread:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...
My original wanted thread:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...
Well it's finally home. It was a long drive, but always so nice to see the cape. It was already in the driveway when I pulled up, an old sea-dog (or pirate) was the proprietor.
So after we sang a few sea shanties, he and his grandson, (or boy?) helped me load it on to the truck. He sure was gushing about the condition of the KDS-58. "Only used on Thanksgiving and Christmas, it's virtually new!" The way he went on, it was sounding like a sales pitch. I have to say, it does look minty. Clean inside and out. The butcher block top has some marks on it, but nothing that can't be sanded out. There are some detergent stains, but apparently those can be cleaned off. Anyway, be posting pictures in a bit.
Oh did I mention it was FREE?
Thanks again Phil!
P.S. This is the second KDS I've gotten from Cape Cod. Whats up with that?
Original Craigslist ad thread:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...
My original wanted thread:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...
First wash. Originally posted 5/25/2017
Originally posted 11/5/2017
While switching the upper rack from the KDS-19C to the KDS-58 I discovered a small piece of the China Guard had been broken off from the KDS-19C rack. Not too noticeable. Also, the upper rack is in better condition than the one one the 58. The tines are immaculate.
KDS-19C Upper rack:
KDS-19C Lower rack:
Installed on KDS-58:
While switching the upper rack from the KDS-19C to the KDS-58 I discovered a small piece of the China Guard had been broken off from the KDS-19C rack. Not too noticeable. Also, the upper rack is in better condition than the one one the 58. The tines are immaculate.
KDS-19C Upper rack:
KDS-19C Lower rack:
Installed on KDS-58:
Originally posted 11/24/2017
Did a bit of a switcharoo with the KDS-58 butcher block top. I had a base cabinet that I was discarding but the top was in great condition, and it of course matched the rest of the counter tops. As luck would have it, it was the perfect size for the '58. Even though it's a portable, it will be installed permanently where the Maytag 107 currently is. So now the KDS-58 will have a "built-in" look.
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Did a bit of a switcharoo with the KDS-58 butcher block top. I had a base cabinet that I was discarding but the top was in great condition, and it of course matched the rest of the counter tops. As luck would have it, it was the perfect size for the '58. Even though it's a portable, it will be installed permanently where the Maytag 107 currently is. So now the KDS-58 will have a "built-in" look.
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It's new, permanent location...
Between the Frost Guard and the Ultramatic:
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Between the Frost Guard and the Ultramatic:
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Beautiful!
A Hobart Grows in Brooklyn!
A Hobart Grows in Brooklyn!
UH-OH!!!
While draining from prewash, a high pitched whine started and water started to leak from under the KitchenAid. I immediately hit drain and cancel and the noise and leak stopped once the machine turned off. HOWEVER when I turned it on again the same high pitched whine came back. I haven't looked yet where the leak is coming from, but the whine seems to be coming from the water pump. Am I looking at a new pump for the KDS-58?
While draining from prewash, a high pitched whine started and water started to leak from under the KitchenAid. I immediately hit drain and cancel and the noise and leak stopped once the machine turned off. HOWEVER when I turned it on again the same high pitched whine came back. I haven't looked yet where the leak is coming from, but the whine seems to be coming from the water pump. Am I looking at a new pump for the KDS-58?
toploader55
Well-known member
Ewwww
I hate when that happens. Probably a seal.
Stevet should know what the deal is. Sorry to hear about this. But that machine is so pristine it is definitely worthy of a repair.
Can't believe that was so close to me. I just put my KDS 20 back in service. They are such great cleaners.
Good Luck.
I hate when that happens. Probably a seal.
Stevet should know what the deal is. Sorry to hear about this. But that machine is so pristine it is definitely worthy of a repair.
Can't believe that was so close to me. I just put my KDS 20 back in service. They are such great cleaners.
Good Luck.
I want to run the dishwasher to see where exactly the leak is coming from. Now I know you can remove the bottom panel, but looking at my prior images, I don't see how. Perhaps you can't because this is a KDS-58?
toploader55
Well-known member
Louis...
Did you "build the machine in" yet ?
I once had a Mobile Maid that I had lifted up and set on 4 milk crates (one on each corner) in such a way that the center was open so I could shine a flashlight up under while the machine was running to find a leak.
Hope this helps.
Did you "build the machine in" yet ?
I once had a Mobile Maid that I had lifted up and set on 4 milk crates (one on each corner) in such a way that the center was open so I could shine a flashlight up under while the machine was running to find a leak.
Hope this helps.
The machine is not built in. It's still on wheels, with long hoses so I can clean underneath it. The four crates is a good idea, but I wouldn't be able to do it by myself.
Leaking KDS-58
Hi Louis the lower front panel removes with a couple of #2 Phillips head screws under the lower edge of it, take off the panel and run a R-N-H and see where its leaking.
A leaking main seal is certainly a possibility, you might have also gotten a foreign object caught in the drain impeller making the high pitched noise.
On KAs like this you disassemble the pumps and fix, there is no replacing a drain pump, unless you replace the entire main motor and pumps.
Let us know what you find, John L.
Hi Louis the lower front panel removes with a couple of #2 Phillips head screws under the lower edge of it, take off the panel and run a R-N-H and see where its leaking.
A leaking main seal is certainly a possibility, you might have also gotten a foreign object caught in the drain impeller making the high pitched noise.
On KAs like this you disassemble the pumps and fix, there is no replacing a drain pump, unless you replace the entire main motor and pumps.
Let us know what you find, John L.
Yes, I know, the G.E. is waiting, but I need to do some appliance shifting, so this has taken priority. I ran the 58 and this time no screeching, no big leak. It went through an entire cycle and some drops came from this tab (see image). There was barely a tablespoons worth on the floor at the end. So what seal can it be?
dripping KD-18 KA DW
I would run it a few more times, this leak may go away.
If not pull the pump and motor and either replace or clean and re-set the original sump gasket.
John.
I would run it a few more times, this leak may go away.
If not pull the pump and motor and either replace or clean and re-set the original sump gasket.
John.
You were right John...
The leak did go away. How odd. But I'm not complaining. On especially greasy loads, I have been using Cascade Fryer Boil Out. Without a doubt the best detergent available. Leaves everything squeaky clean. I am aware it can damage the insides of the dishwasher, so I use it sparingly. So far, the KDS-58 is working beautifully.
The leak did go away. How odd. But I'm not complaining. On especially greasy loads, I have been using Cascade Fryer Boil Out. Without a doubt the best detergent available. Leaves everything squeaky clean. I am aware it can damage the insides of the dishwasher, so I use it sparingly. So far, the KDS-58 is working beautifully.
I know this may be a silly question. I have a tall item to wash. Would removing the top rack be detrimental to it's washing ability? Thanks.
Removing The Top Rack From A KA KDS-18 DW
It should not hurt anything, just keep an eye on the DW, When we have removed the top rack from WP PC DWs with the rear feed tube the rush of water will cause the DW to leak a little under the door, but I don't think a KA will do this, WP PC has much stronger top water pressure.
Has anyone here tried this on a KA 18-22?
John L.
It should not hurt anything, just keep an eye on the DW, When we have removed the top rack from WP PC DWs with the rear feed tube the rush of water will cause the DW to leak a little under the door, but I don't think a KA will do this, WP PC has much stronger top water pressure.
Has anyone here tried this on a KA 18-22?
John L.
I experimented with this on my KDS-18 and and had very poor results. Next, I made 2 attempts at jamming a rubber stopper in the upper rack water orifice tube against the back wall. It blew it out immediately on both occasions. Following that, I tried jamming the stopper backwards (It took every ounce of strength I had). That lasted about 4-6 seconds on all 3 attempts before shooting it out again. Threw in the towel.
If one has the space, I recommend purchasing a one arm wonder KD-17 or older unit and removing the upper rack.
If one has the space, I recommend purchasing a one arm wonder KD-17 or older unit and removing the upper rack.
Water diverter
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">My last Bosch dishwasher came with a water diverter for this purpose. With this one it is an accessory you can purchase. You screwed it over the opening and it directed the water away from the door. Too bad there isn't something like this for all machines that have this kind of set up.</span>
<span style="font-family: helvetica;">My last Bosch dishwasher came with a water diverter for this purpose. With this one it is an accessory you can purchase. You screwed it over the opening and it directed the water away from the door. Too bad there isn't something like this for all machines that have this kind of set up.</span>
Thanks John. I'll keep an eye on it. I am washing a splatter shield I purchased to help protect the real panel of the Caloric. It measures about 33" X 17". Perhaps I can place it in a way that it disrupts the stream from the top wash arm orifice.
My first attempt for a Bobload Certification.
Good Sized Load
But its hard to see how dirty the dishes were, If they are fairly clean with you fairly soft water I would not use much more than 1 Tb of detergent in each cup to minimize damage to the machine or YOUR dishes.
John L.
But its hard to see how dirty the dishes were, If they are fairly clean with you fairly soft water I would not use much more than 1 Tb of detergent in each cup to minimize damage to the machine or YOUR dishes.
John L.
I thought of that.
No dark based sauces were used. I figured the load wouldn't show up as too soiled. Nevertheless thanks for the dosage advice.
No dark based sauces were used. I figured the load wouldn't show up as too soiled. Nevertheless thanks for the dosage advice.
Today I used the Normal cycle instead of the Soak and Scrub cycle that I normally use. I noticed only the prewash compartment activated. The normal wash compartment remained closed. Everything came out clean. Is this normal for a KDS-58?
Detergent Dispenser Not Oping On A KDS-18
No, Hopefully the Bi-Metal activator is just out of adjustment.
It could also be a tight shaft or bad BM or a wire burned off the BM.
If the main pump motor is not drawing enough watts it may not open either, usual causes are low water fill, clogged fine mesh filter or even a bad wash arm support.
John L.
No, Hopefully the Bi-Metal activator is just out of adjustment.
It could also be a tight shaft or bad BM or a wire burned off the BM.
If the main pump motor is not drawing enough watts it may not open either, usual causes are low water fill, clogged fine mesh filter or even a bad wash arm support.
John L.
Oh boy...
Let's hope it's just a dirty filter. Thanks John.
Let's hope it's just a dirty filter. Thanks John.
Hmmm, maybe I should clean the filter more often.
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