4.8 cu. ft. with heat pump dryer technology. Said to wash & dry a 10 lb. mixed load in 2 hours (see useer guide) Supposed to be on market June 2023.
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verizonbear
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Here are some details, 120 volt , interesting
Thanks Phil,,.
<blockquote>The UltraFast Combo not only eliminates the transfer step, but it saves time with its ability to wash AND dry a large load in about 2 hours.</blockquote> I'm dubious on this claim until I see it happen ... 2 hrs wash to finished-dry with non-vented heat-pump drying?
normal cycle
How will the washing and drying perform on the normal cycle?
How will the washing and drying perform on the normal cycle?
Neighbors have a 120 volt Whirlpool washer and separate heat pump dryer connected to cold water. Washer shakes alot in spin and dryer takes well over 2 hours to dry any load . And then you have to empty a full container of water. Jerome, an old GE filter flo set would get it done in less than half the time. Unfortunately they are not here anymore.
Aside from Miele (even then only their commercial laundry line) along with IIRC Asko and Bosch no one is offering 208v-240v washers or dryers in USA for domestic laundry appliances.
Since GE is going with a heat pump dryer in theory need for high wattage heating power is diminished. By going with 120v this unit can be marketed as a "plug and play" replacement for standard washer and dryer without requiring special wiring.
Since GE is going with a heat pump dryer in theory need for high wattage heating power is diminished. By going with 120v this unit can be marketed as a "plug and play" replacement for standard washer and dryer without requiring special wiring.
About 6kg give or take does seem to be upper limit for combo units if one wants to avoid hassle of having to take half load out of washer before drying starts.
Unlike USA across pond combo units never truly faded out, there long as been decent enough market for such appliances despite various drawbacks. Switching over to heat pump instead of standard air or water cooled condenser dryers is a game changer however.
reviewed.usatoday.com
Unlike USA across pond combo units never truly faded out, there long as been decent enough market for such appliances despite various drawbacks. Switching over to heat pump instead of standard air or water cooled condenser dryers is a game changer however.
AEG Heat Pump Laundry Combo First Impressions Review
Using hot air to innovate combination laundry machines.
reviewed.usatoday.com
That sounds perfect.
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Here is a short video
Here is a short video
Everything old is new again !!!!
jerrod_six
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This sounds good If I didn't have space for two separate units. However, with the space, I would not consider it. I don't mind the heat pump, but why have hours tied up in one machine doing one load, when I can have one load washed and put into a dryer, and then have the next load washing as the first load is drying? Let's keep it moving!
2h sounds dubious
No, not really.
4.8cuft is about 135l.
10lbs is about 4.5kg.
That - first of all and most importantly for drying - gives you the 1:20 ratio conventionaly regarded as required for fast and even drying.
Then, an EU stand alone heatpump dryer can dry 4kg of laundry spun at just 1000rpm (60% residual moisture) in about 90min.
This has probably a 1200rpm spin or higher in a bigger drum, getting you 50% residual moisture or less.
Given that most washers on the US market offer some kind of TurboWash equivalent, 30min for a wash and 90min for a dry seem reasonable.
I think that 120-180min is reasonable for most loads in this device, dry to dry.
A heatpump dryer can be surprisingly fast - especially at 120V - if you have enough space to give it proper airflow rates and a big enough heat exchanger.
You can do that in 24" EU sized cabinet for a dryer alone no problem.
Now, this machine "only" has a 4.8cuft drum in what appears to be a 27" cabinet but with a greater height than normal and maybe even an inch more depth.
Leads me to believe they basically designed a 27" heat pump dryer base into a pedestal, then added some air flow channels into a 27" washer by shrinking the tub a bit. Stack it and connect it, done.
Basically any current EU A+++ class dryer can dry 8kg of laundry (17-18lbs) with only 1.5kWh of energy usage in less than 3h from 60% residual moisture - that's the energy label testing.
They use a 400W heatpump and a 100-150W drum/fan motor.
That's an equivalent heating/drying power of just about 1.5kW.
If you can fit just that into the cabinet, you are basically already there.
Biggest challenge is getting good enough airflow and fitting a lint filter somewhere.
But given you have the additional space of a 27" cabinet, I don't see why that isn't doable.
I do think the price is absurdly good for that kind of appliance though.
A normal TOL frontload washer and dryer are probably more expensive than that - and they aren't even heatpump.
I am also somewhat of the opinion that the only reason there aren't any good full size heatpump dryers out there for the US isn't price, technical disability or even cost per se.
It really is only the lower margins one would have to accept and the probably lower demand.
Given all that space in a 27" cabinet, you could easily beef up the heatpump power - the already high needed airflow comes natural to US dryers.
No, not really.
4.8cuft is about 135l.
10lbs is about 4.5kg.
That - first of all and most importantly for drying - gives you the 1:20 ratio conventionaly regarded as required for fast and even drying.
Then, an EU stand alone heatpump dryer can dry 4kg of laundry spun at just 1000rpm (60% residual moisture) in about 90min.
This has probably a 1200rpm spin or higher in a bigger drum, getting you 50% residual moisture or less.
Given that most washers on the US market offer some kind of TurboWash equivalent, 30min for a wash and 90min for a dry seem reasonable.
I think that 120-180min is reasonable for most loads in this device, dry to dry.
A heatpump dryer can be surprisingly fast - especially at 120V - if you have enough space to give it proper airflow rates and a big enough heat exchanger.
You can do that in 24" EU sized cabinet for a dryer alone no problem.
Now, this machine "only" has a 4.8cuft drum in what appears to be a 27" cabinet but with a greater height than normal and maybe even an inch more depth.
Leads me to believe they basically designed a 27" heat pump dryer base into a pedestal, then added some air flow channels into a 27" washer by shrinking the tub a bit. Stack it and connect it, done.
Basically any current EU A+++ class dryer can dry 8kg of laundry (17-18lbs) with only 1.5kWh of energy usage in less than 3h from 60% residual moisture - that's the energy label testing.
They use a 400W heatpump and a 100-150W drum/fan motor.
That's an equivalent heating/drying power of just about 1.5kW.
If you can fit just that into the cabinet, you are basically already there.
Biggest challenge is getting good enough airflow and fitting a lint filter somewhere.
But given you have the additional space of a 27" cabinet, I don't see why that isn't doable.
I do think the price is absurdly good for that kind of appliance though.
A normal TOL frontload washer and dryer are probably more expensive than that - and they aren't even heatpump.
I am also somewhat of the opinion that the only reason there aren't any good full size heatpump dryers out there for the US isn't price, technical disability or even cost per se.
It really is only the lower margins one would have to accept and the probably lower demand.
Given all that space in a 27" cabinet, you could easily beef up the heatpump power - the already high needed airflow comes natural to US dryers.
New GE full-size combination. Washer dryer.
It’s always been in inevitable. that this product will come back to the market both for the US and the rest of the world. And transferring a load of laundry from the washer to the dryer has always been a pain in the neck with the days busy lifestyles. It’s much nicer to throw a load in and come back and have it done. This will also eliminate the mold and mildew problems that some people had with front loading washers.
This should also allow a self cleaning condenser system as it will wash itself compared to other heat pump and condenser dryers.
It makes so much sense now that front loading washers are the smart choice for energy and performance. There’s no reason not to combine trying in the same unit
I think you’ll see a number of other companies introduce similar products to this, and the cost should come down .
Hopefully they’ll make some simpler versions. I don’t like dispenser systems for detergent on washing machines because too many service problems.
John.
It’s always been in inevitable. that this product will come back to the market both for the US and the rest of the world. And transferring a load of laundry from the washer to the dryer has always been a pain in the neck with the days busy lifestyles. It’s much nicer to throw a load in and come back and have it done. This will also eliminate the mold and mildew problems that some people had with front loading washers.
This should also allow a self cleaning condenser system as it will wash itself compared to other heat pump and condenser dryers.
It makes so much sense now that front loading washers are the smart choice for energy and performance. There’s no reason not to combine trying in the same unit
I think you’ll see a number of other companies introduce similar products to this, and the cost should come down .
Hopefully they’ll make some simpler versions. I don’t like dispenser systems for detergent on washing machines because too many service problems.
John.
I would like to see a unit that runs on 220-240 volts for the US market.
Jon
Jon
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Yes, indeed, Jon
With a 208 or 240 V power source they could put a stronger compressor in and shorten the drying time another 20 to 30 minutes. They could also make a Coldwater only machine that could do a decent job of heating the water needed for washing clothing. It would be more energy efficient, especially in all electric houses were using electric heat the water anyway,
Full-size combos will be back.
John.
Yes, indeed, Jon
With a 208 or 240 V power source they could put a stronger compressor in and shorten the drying time another 20 to 30 minutes. They could also make a Coldwater only machine that could do a decent job of heating the water needed for washing clothing. It would be more energy efficient, especially in all electric houses were using electric heat the water anyway,
Full-size combos will be back.
John.
KBIS demo video
This was just put on You Tube about an hour ago.
This was just put on You Tube about an hour ago.
GE
Very impressive - I would wait awhile before I would make a purchase just to make sure it Works good!
Very impressive - I would wait awhile before I would make a purchase just to make sure it Works good!
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I don't think that the design will be fundamentally flawed.
However, there are probably many components in there that could be failure points early on.
They - probably - will use an inverter heatpump and maybe even a variable speed drying fan like Haier uses on the TOL Fisher & Paykel heat pump dryer available in parts of the EU and Australia.
Programming all that is a task, and all these electronics can easily have bugs that can lead to early failures.
Nothing that wouldn't be ironed out in a second or third revision.
But better safe than sorry.
I am very happy about how they layed out the drawer though.
Still lots of manual dosing possibilities even with 2 large automatic dosing tanks.
I don't think that the design will be fundamentally flawed.
However, there are probably many components in there that could be failure points early on.
They - probably - will use an inverter heatpump and maybe even a variable speed drying fan like Haier uses on the TOL Fisher & Paykel heat pump dryer available in parts of the EU and Australia.
Programming all that is a task, and all these electronics can easily have bugs that can lead to early failures.
Nothing that wouldn't be ironed out in a second or third revision.
But better safe than sorry.
I am very happy about how they layed out the drawer though.
Still lots of manual dosing possibilities even with 2 large automatic dosing tanks.
