Does anyone REALLY know what the 2700pages of this ruling contains?I smell a rat here.From some of the things I have seen existing health benefits you currently receive may be taxed-is this the answer---NO!!!Its defeating the purpose-I feel the bill should have been more clearly explained to people rather than just blindly passing it-Come November I think the Democrats have commited polictical sucide and Obama will be lamed ducked.And clearly over 50% of the population oppose this legislation.Guess Obama will now sign this boondoggle into law.
I have never heard someone get on TV and
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Just how cutting 500 billion in payments to hospitals and healthcare providers is going to HELP! It needs to be INCERASED by that amount NOT taken away.The load increase is going to be huge and yet their will be LESS money .. IT dont work that way..
Just how cutting 500 billion in payments to hospitals and healthcare providers is going to HELP! It needs to be INCERASED by that amount NOT taken away.The load increase is going to be huge and yet their will be LESS money .. IT dont work that way..
corporate ball & chain
Politics aside, i like the term Job-locked. How many of us have worked at jobs we hate? Far worse is working WITH someone that hates their job. I know we have all,known someone just hanging onto a job for the benefit package, soon they can leave the corporate BS and have a chance at a dream. I once overheard a CEO remark about a lady, she only works because she is on an expensive Rx medication. This alone could help the job situation. Retirement age people have been afraid to retire, especially folks that have worked hard and have real estate or other assets. alr2903
Politics aside, i like the term Job-locked. How many of us have worked at jobs we hate? Far worse is working WITH someone that hates their job. I know we have all,known someone just hanging onto a job for the benefit package, soon they can leave the corporate BS and have a chance at a dream. I once overheard a CEO remark about a lady, she only works because she is on an expensive Rx medication. This alone could help the job situation. Retirement age people have been afraid to retire, especially folks that have worked hard and have real estate or other assets. alr2903
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I dont think that the peace is shattered..... yet
Civility has been the rule so far despite the extremes in views that exist - of course that could change but it is always nice to be able to voice opinion, debate, or just plain BS even in a very spirited and passionate way. I mean I started the whole thing with equating Pelosi to a witch which is a pretty spirited thing to get it going - sorry CA folks I know some agree with that description others don't but it was definately said in a moment of anger listening to her spout all that junk on the floor last evening.
I've already written both my Senators (both republicans) and told them I have no problem seeing them gone in November along with the dems if they don't want to listen to the people they represent and I generally vote that party but have no problem going the other way either if the person stands for things I believe in and support.
So, folks have at it and have fun doing it even if it is passionate/spirited..... least we can still do this without fear...... for now anyways. Have fun and enjoy!
Civility has been the rule so far despite the extremes in views that exist - of course that could change but it is always nice to be able to voice opinion, debate, or just plain BS even in a very spirited and passionate way. I mean I started the whole thing with equating Pelosi to a witch which is a pretty spirited thing to get it going - sorry CA folks I know some agree with that description others don't but it was definately said in a moment of anger listening to her spout all that junk on the floor last evening.
I've already written both my Senators (both republicans) and told them I have no problem seeing them gone in November along with the dems if they don't want to listen to the people they represent and I generally vote that party but have no problem going the other way either if the person stands for things I believe in and support.
So, folks have at it and have fun doing it even if it is passionate/spirited..... least we can still do this without fear...... for now anyways. Have fun and enjoy!
I know that some of our group have serious medical conditions. I would hope that we can be happy for them that their future medical care is no longer subject to the whims of the insurance industry where money paid in by working people goes to CEO salaries of multiple millions of dollars per year along with dividends to shareholders and big fees to lobbyists. Maryland refused several years ago to let our big BC/BS organization switch from non-profit to for profit and nothing has suffered except the fortunes of a few crooked directors. As for the government putting bureaucrats between you and your doctor, the situation already exists except that it is some low wage insurance company employee telling you what your policy will or will not cover. I do not understand how people with any morality or religion can say it is proper to exclude people from health care. Did not Jesus say that what you have done to the least of these you have done unto me? Now it's true that if some religious bodies spent less on influencing legislation and spreading hate and misinformation here and in Uganda, they might have more money to take care of the sick, but that is not the way it is right now. I would like to have seen a cleaner bill that does more to help people, but a lot of lobbying money went into the fight and its influences can be seen. I was sickened by the corruption among the Democrats who were crafting the legislation. I hope that relief comes quickly enough that all of us will have the joy of celebrating with a friend or family member an escape from the fear of living without medical insurance. We need to remember that life holds no guarantees. Those of us blessed with reasonably good health and health insurance could just as easily be among those with serious medical conditions and no health insurance. I think it is a good idea to consider what you would want for yourself and then see that it is possible for others to have it also.
Both party are not perfect but......
Eight years we sat and listen to the great lame President that put us in two wars, killed innocent people to this day on BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE and you don't want to put blame of how we got into this financial mess. Get real with yourselves. For eight years Dick Chaney been in and out of the hospitals, rising from the dead and want to speak badly about the current President is rude and callous, the lists goes on and on. Now the American people has a bill that will help those who are in need and I will benefit from it when and if I get sick or need to change medical coverage because my current policy lacks the coverage that I need makes me proud that I AND A HOST OF OTHERS WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY OF BEING DROPPED BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANY DON'T WANT ME TO LIVE LONGER THAN I SHOULD.
This bill is not perfect, but the door is kicked wide open so everyone can benifit and not be denied.
Eight years we sat and listen to the great lame President that put us in two wars, killed innocent people to this day on BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE and you don't want to put blame of how we got into this financial mess. Get real with yourselves. For eight years Dick Chaney been in and out of the hospitals, rising from the dead and want to speak badly about the current President is rude and callous, the lists goes on and on. Now the American people has a bill that will help those who are in need and I will benefit from it when and if I get sick or need to change medical coverage because my current policy lacks the coverage that I need makes me proud that I AND A HOST OF OTHERS WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY OF BEING DROPPED BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANY DON'T WANT ME TO LIVE LONGER THAN I SHOULD.
This bill is not perfect, but the door is kicked wide open so everyone can benifit and not be denied.
See what the social network
are saying with tweets.....
www.huffingtonpost.com
are saying with tweets.....
Health Care Reform: Deep Twitter Thoughts on The Health Care Vote
Stupak is like a boyfriend who starts saying all the right stuff after you've decided to break up with him.
This thread is sickening.
How thick do you have to be to think that health care for profit is a good thing? You really think that Bear Stearns and Goldman-Sachs are going to take good care of you and your families when faced with catastrophic illness? Do you not read the newspapers?
I'm the son of a responsible and good physician who busted his ass daily fighting a greed-run Republican juggernaut EVERY SINGLE DAY OF HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE to bring decent health care to his fellow veterans at the VA hospital in Manhattan. Dad was no picnic but he was proud to fulfill the promise of a nation to care for those men and women who sacrificed themselves to protect this country. A promise that pigs like Joe Lieberman and John Coburn feel should be reserved for an elite corps of Senators and Congressmen and not wasted on ordinary soldiers and citizens.
I am celebrating today as it's a victory, small, but significant. Anyone that doubts this needs to do a little math. Calculate what you spent in taxes last year and compare it to what you paid in health insurance premiums. And if you're one of those lucky few that are covered by government policies, shut your mouth or forfeit your policy to someone who really needs it.
By the way, Dad and most of his colleagues, old-school doctors many of them political conservatives, were convinced, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, that socialized medicine was an inevitability. They had seen models of it working in other modern countries, including Israel and Japan, and knew it was going to be the only way to address costs that were spiraling out of control by providers, pharmaceutical corporations and medical technology.
If you insist on maintaining your status as sheep for the slaughter, do it quietly and go away so the rest of us can live.
How thick do you have to be to think that health care for profit is a good thing? You really think that Bear Stearns and Goldman-Sachs are going to take good care of you and your families when faced with catastrophic illness? Do you not read the newspapers?
I'm the son of a responsible and good physician who busted his ass daily fighting a greed-run Republican juggernaut EVERY SINGLE DAY OF HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE to bring decent health care to his fellow veterans at the VA hospital in Manhattan. Dad was no picnic but he was proud to fulfill the promise of a nation to care for those men and women who sacrificed themselves to protect this country. A promise that pigs like Joe Lieberman and John Coburn feel should be reserved for an elite corps of Senators and Congressmen and not wasted on ordinary soldiers and citizens.
I am celebrating today as it's a victory, small, but significant. Anyone that doubts this needs to do a little math. Calculate what you spent in taxes last year and compare it to what you paid in health insurance premiums. And if you're one of those lucky few that are covered by government policies, shut your mouth or forfeit your policy to someone who really needs it.
By the way, Dad and most of his colleagues, old-school doctors many of them political conservatives, were convinced, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, that socialized medicine was an inevitability. They had seen models of it working in other modern countries, including Israel and Japan, and knew it was going to be the only way to address costs that were spiraling out of control by providers, pharmaceutical corporations and medical technology.
If you insist on maintaining your status as sheep for the slaughter, do it quietly and go away so the rest of us can live.
What is wrong with
disallowing insurance companies from cancelling their client's cover, because they suddenly don't want to pay anymore for the treatment of chronic conditions, or refusing cover for children with pre-existing conditions?
How many of the people whingeing about this new policy are actually high income earners, I wonder? Being a high income earner, whatever premium increases this policy may cause
to their insurance premiums will still be relatively small in terms of their total disposable income. Those who are not high income earners, well, isn't this new policy meant to make health cover more affordable/accessible?
For those who are complaining about being 'forced' to buy health insurance - as long as you are healthy that may well be an acceptable perspective; until the unthinkable happens of course.
So, do I understand this correctly? Under the present system, if I develop a heart condition, for which I am never checked, because I haven't the insurance or the cash to pay for specialist services; I just rock up at any hospital ER, when I go into cardiac arrest, to have my bypass surgery free of charge?
How does it work with insulin for those with diabetes, who have no insurance or sufficient income to pay for it out of their own pocket?
What if I am HIV positive? Do I still get AZT and other important medications if I don't have insurance/money?
Would it, perhaps, have pleased people more if Obama had introduced euthanasia packages as part of his health care reform? Targeting those with chronic and/or terminal illnesses, who earn less than $50 k per annum, the poor, long-term unemployed, mentally ill/retarded. Perhaps anyone with a BMI in excess of 25? They could be placed on an accelerated euthanasia program that offers cash incentives for their families or a charity of their choice. Imagine, from an economic perspective this would solve all of America's financial woes. Anyone who visits an ER without insurance should be forced to sell their organs to pay for their treatments maybe.
Just some creative ideas to think about.
Good night
Olav
disallowing insurance companies from cancelling their client's cover, because they suddenly don't want to pay anymore for the treatment of chronic conditions, or refusing cover for children with pre-existing conditions?
How many of the people whingeing about this new policy are actually high income earners, I wonder? Being a high income earner, whatever premium increases this policy may cause
to their insurance premiums will still be relatively small in terms of their total disposable income. Those who are not high income earners, well, isn't this new policy meant to make health cover more affordable/accessible?
For those who are complaining about being 'forced' to buy health insurance - as long as you are healthy that may well be an acceptable perspective; until the unthinkable happens of course.
So, do I understand this correctly? Under the present system, if I develop a heart condition, for which I am never checked, because I haven't the insurance or the cash to pay for specialist services; I just rock up at any hospital ER, when I go into cardiac arrest, to have my bypass surgery free of charge?
How does it work with insulin for those with diabetes, who have no insurance or sufficient income to pay for it out of their own pocket?
What if I am HIV positive? Do I still get AZT and other important medications if I don't have insurance/money?
Would it, perhaps, have pleased people more if Obama had introduced euthanasia packages as part of his health care reform? Targeting those with chronic and/or terminal illnesses, who earn less than $50 k per annum, the poor, long-term unemployed, mentally ill/retarded. Perhaps anyone with a BMI in excess of 25? They could be placed on an accelerated euthanasia program that offers cash incentives for their families or a charity of their choice. Imagine, from an economic perspective this would solve all of America's financial woes. Anyone who visits an ER without insurance should be forced to sell their organs to pay for their treatments maybe.
Just some creative ideas to think about.
Good night
Olav
I, too, am angry
at many of the responses in this thread.
No, it is not perfect, but it is a major step ahead for this country.
The insurance companies should be regulated, but that probably will not happen any time soon.
I now have medical coverage, but did not have coverage for over twenty years. During that time, I had a heart attack, developed Type II diabetes, had several broken bones.....
Yes, people have to be treated up to stable condition in ERs, but that is no substitute at all for a regular practitioner and regular preventative care.
I wish I could say I was shocked by some of the attitudes expressed in this thread, but I am not, not at all.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
at many of the responses in this thread.
No, it is not perfect, but it is a major step ahead for this country.
The insurance companies should be regulated, but that probably will not happen any time soon.
I now have medical coverage, but did not have coverage for over twenty years. During that time, I had a heart attack, developed Type II diabetes, had several broken bones.....
Yes, people have to be treated up to stable condition in ERs, but that is no substitute at all for a regular practitioner and regular preventative care.
I wish I could say I was shocked by some of the attitudes expressed in this thread, but I am not, not at all.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
I've never heard anyone get on tv and
blantantly lie like the bastard by the name of George W Bush .... Up lying his, so rich he can't count it, not enough fingers, ass off about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How many kabillions or trillions of dollars not to mention thousands of lives lost was that whopper worth?
blantantly lie like the bastard by the name of George W Bush .... Up lying his, so rich he can't count it, not enough fingers, ass off about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How many kabillions or trillions of dollars not to mention thousands of lives lost was that whopper worth?
"Free medical care for serious problems"
I am a cancer survivor who cannot get insurance and I say it is about time!
To the person that said, "anyone can walk into any county health clinic in the U.S. and receive free medical care for serious problems", you are wrong.
Yes I received free medical care after I was dropped by my insurance company, after I got rid of all of my assets, after I spent over 70k of my own money making me nearly destitute.
Yeah, anybody with serious medical conditions can get free health care...go on and believe in your little fairytales if you wish...those of us who have been there know better.
I am a cancer survivor who cannot get insurance and I say it is about time!
To the person that said, "anyone can walk into any county health clinic in the U.S. and receive free medical care for serious problems", you are wrong.
Yes I received free medical care after I was dropped by my insurance company, after I got rid of all of my assets, after I spent over 70k of my own money making me nearly destitute.
Yeah, anybody with serious medical conditions can get free health care...go on and believe in your little fairytales if you wish...those of us who have been there know better.
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The government forcing people to pay for a service against their will is WRONG... Are they going to start mandating what groceries we must by each week next and what car we must drive? Are they going to tell us that we must all have a cell phone? Are they going to put bar codes on our hands? If this was such a good thing, why did they have to resort to "coercing" people that were dead set against it to change their minds?
Wow . . .
I am amazed at the amount of vitriol expressed here. Given the complexity of the bill, nobody will agree with it 100%, but that's no excuse for seeing only the negative aspects of it.
Our current for-profit, insurance company lead healthcare system is the most expensive in the world, even though the insurance companies have tried for years to contain costs. Obviously from the standpoint of cost efficiency the current system doesn't work very well. As more people can't afford health insurance due to rising premiums, the total percentage of those with health insurance declines. This reduces the amount of income earned by the insurance companies, and they must raise rates to compensate. That causes more people to drop their policies, and a vicious circle starts. Anthem Blue Cross recently applied to raise rates on many individual policyholders in California by as much as 39%, and at the same time said they were going to be raising rates twice a year instead of once. Once upon a time, a large number of the people in this nation worked for large industries who have the clout to negotiate with insurance companies, but that time is past as we've increasingly become a nation of small businesses that do not have the ability to do this.
The big problem with allowing people to be uninsured is that they still get sick or have accidents, and the "free" healthcare that many of the uninsured receive isn't remotely free. The community pays for it, and it's often extremely expensive because too much of this healthcare occurs in emergency rooms since they can't turn anyone away. For this reason many hospitals have closed their emergency rooms, especially those in poorer neighborhoods. This is bad news not only for people in those areas, but also for well-insured individuals who might have the bad luck to have an accident in an area underserved by emergency facilities.
And what of the many people today who have been priced out of insurance due to a pre-exisitng condition? Unfortunately, the situation that now exists for too many is 1)become ill for no fault of their own 2)be unable to continue working at their job because of their illness 3)lose insurance coverage as a result of the job loss 4)exhaust their savings paying for health care as their illness is now a reason to label them uninsurable. Remember too that many insurance companies have negotiated discount rates with their preferred healthcare providers, and if you don't have insurance you'll pay more for everything.
As was noted above by Bajaespuma, plenty of professionals in the health care industry have known for decades that something would eventually need to be done to ensure that all citizens have access to good health care. Playing ostrich and ignoring the problem isn't going to fix it - this bill is at least a start.
I am amazed at the amount of vitriol expressed here. Given the complexity of the bill, nobody will agree with it 100%, but that's no excuse for seeing only the negative aspects of it.
Our current for-profit, insurance company lead healthcare system is the most expensive in the world, even though the insurance companies have tried for years to contain costs. Obviously from the standpoint of cost efficiency the current system doesn't work very well. As more people can't afford health insurance due to rising premiums, the total percentage of those with health insurance declines. This reduces the amount of income earned by the insurance companies, and they must raise rates to compensate. That causes more people to drop their policies, and a vicious circle starts. Anthem Blue Cross recently applied to raise rates on many individual policyholders in California by as much as 39%, and at the same time said they were going to be raising rates twice a year instead of once. Once upon a time, a large number of the people in this nation worked for large industries who have the clout to negotiate with insurance companies, but that time is past as we've increasingly become a nation of small businesses that do not have the ability to do this.
The big problem with allowing people to be uninsured is that they still get sick or have accidents, and the "free" healthcare that many of the uninsured receive isn't remotely free. The community pays for it, and it's often extremely expensive because too much of this healthcare occurs in emergency rooms since they can't turn anyone away. For this reason many hospitals have closed their emergency rooms, especially those in poorer neighborhoods. This is bad news not only for people in those areas, but also for well-insured individuals who might have the bad luck to have an accident in an area underserved by emergency facilities.
And what of the many people today who have been priced out of insurance due to a pre-exisitng condition? Unfortunately, the situation that now exists for too many is 1)become ill for no fault of their own 2)be unable to continue working at their job because of their illness 3)lose insurance coverage as a result of the job loss 4)exhaust their savings paying for health care as their illness is now a reason to label them uninsurable. Remember too that many insurance companies have negotiated discount rates with their preferred healthcare providers, and if you don't have insurance you'll pay more for everything.
As was noted above by Bajaespuma, plenty of professionals in the health care industry have known for decades that something would eventually need to be done to ensure that all citizens have access to good health care. Playing ostrich and ignoring the problem isn't going to fix it - this bill is at least a start.
Ken, you obviously misunderstood my point. Here in the U.S., along with all other civilized countries, we don't allow people to simply drop dead on our streets. Those who have serious medical problems (I mean emergencies) receive medical treatment regardless of their net worth or whether they carry insurance, and the cost of this treatment is shared by everyone. So our health care system, in fact every health care system I've ever heard of, has been basically socialized.
As for the "I'm healthy, why should I be forced to carry health insurance" people, they were the main problem with our former system. Because when these people step on a rusty nail, get into auto accidents, have a heart attack or come down with cancer, again we're back to the question of who pays for this medical treatment.
There's no doubt in my mind that within 20 years we're going to look back on our former health care system with enormous amounts of embarrassment and disgust. What's best for patients is rarely what's best for the shareholders of Big Insurance and Big Pharma. This current bill is only half the solution, but it was the tougher half to get through Congress. Reid has promised a separate debate and vote on a public option (hopefully a single-payer system). This will be the final blow to our fundamentally immoral, profit-based "health care" system.
As for the "I'm healthy, why should I be forced to carry health insurance" people, they were the main problem with our former system. Because when these people step on a rusty nail, get into auto accidents, have a heart attack or come down with cancer, again we're back to the question of who pays for this medical treatment.
There's no doubt in my mind that within 20 years we're going to look back on our former health care system with enormous amounts of embarrassment and disgust. What's best for patients is rarely what's best for the shareholders of Big Insurance and Big Pharma. This current bill is only half the solution, but it was the tougher half to get through Congress. Reid has promised a separate debate and vote on a public option (hopefully a single-payer system). This will be the final blow to our fundamentally immoral, profit-based "health care" system.
I REALLY don’t understand you people.
It’s as if you are fighting desperately for some God-given right to be fleeced by a coven of corporations that has so clearly (only to thinkers, it seems) declared war on the "not-super rich". Although I have to admit, when I watch TV it’s becoming more and more apparent that the networks, which were forthright in exposing corruption in the Sixties and Seventies, have been co-opted in recent decades to keep the masses distracted with bread and circuses while the robber barons whose business is to betray this country are relieving us of the foolish burdens of savings and well-being.
I guess the idea is that if we have Miley Cyrus, Jessica Simpson and an SUV we don’t need our money or our health. I’ve always maintained that nothing is as valuable to the Republicans as the cooperative stupidity of its constituency.
I have NO DOUBT that there will be big problems with any government-run health system but this is the first important step towards the inevitability of socialized medicine. Face it, it works in modern civilized countries. Health care is a right, not a luxury.
I wish all of you freedom from harm and sickness, no exceptions. But don't drag the rest of us down with you if you insist on being victims.
If government-run health care is so opprobrious to you, then write big checks to Blue-Cross/Blue Shield every month and DO NOT say a word when you are denied coverage for a serious illness because of a "preexisting condition": ignorance.
It’s as if you are fighting desperately for some God-given right to be fleeced by a coven of corporations that has so clearly (only to thinkers, it seems) declared war on the "not-super rich". Although I have to admit, when I watch TV it’s becoming more and more apparent that the networks, which were forthright in exposing corruption in the Sixties and Seventies, have been co-opted in recent decades to keep the masses distracted with bread and circuses while the robber barons whose business is to betray this country are relieving us of the foolish burdens of savings and well-being.
I guess the idea is that if we have Miley Cyrus, Jessica Simpson and an SUV we don’t need our money or our health. I’ve always maintained that nothing is as valuable to the Republicans as the cooperative stupidity of its constituency.
I have NO DOUBT that there will be big problems with any government-run health system but this is the first important step towards the inevitability of socialized medicine. Face it, it works in modern civilized countries. Health care is a right, not a luxury.
I wish all of you freedom from harm and sickness, no exceptions. But don't drag the rest of us down with you if you insist on being victims.
If government-run health care is so opprobrious to you, then write big checks to Blue-Cross/Blue Shield every month and DO NOT say a word when you are denied coverage for a serious illness because of a "preexisting condition": ignorance.
Here in the U.S., along with all other civilized countries,
Wanna bet! people are dying in waiting rooms everyday. And yes people are Dying in the street as hospitals refuse to take them.Read your newspaper! About the hundreds that try to get medical care and cannot are turned away.. I have seen it first hand here. I had a worker in this very plant that was taken to the hospital and was told if she could not put up a 250o.oo deposit or produce a insurance card she would have to leave, After a few mins of heated dissucssion security was called and she was taken to the curb. It happens here EVERY DAY>
Wanna bet! people are dying in waiting rooms everyday. And yes people are Dying in the street as hospitals refuse to take them.Read your newspaper! About the hundreds that try to get medical care and cannot are turned away.. I have seen it first hand here. I had a worker in this very plant that was taken to the hospital and was told if she could not put up a 250o.oo deposit or produce a insurance card she would have to leave, After a few mins of heated dissucssion security was called and she was taken to the curb. It happens here EVERY DAY>
Yeah, the government has done such a fine job for veterans health care. Medicare/Medicaid is so well run they are quickly heading to bankruptcy, and this bill is cutting services. Nice. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, another failed government financial program. U.S. Mail can barely deliver a letter. And we want more government involvement in health insurance? With the beloved IRS in charge?
The problem here is that this is an insurance scam. There is nothing here to lower the cost of doing medicine for any medical care providers. This is all about insurance and insurance companies.
No one has the right to someone else's time, money, service or talent. If they want to give it freely, then no problem. This is what it means to be in America. The government gets out of your way and the private sector takes care of it. And it does, and it does quite well.
What does it really cost you to see a doctor? Will your doctor give you a discount if you pay cash? Why not shop for your doctor instead of just picking a name off an "approved" list? Same with labs, same with drugs. It has been proven several times that if you shop drug stores for prices on prescription medicines, you can save quite a bit of money.
One of a doctor's biggest expense is malpractice insurance (there is that pesky insurance company again). Tort reform and limit to lawsuits would lower this cost significantly.
The government already tried to raise the age limit for mammograms for women. Let's see what they do with late presenting cancers, like pancreatic. Let see what they do with T-cell counts and HIV meds.
Let's see how many of our doctors retire early or leave the practice altogether. Let's see how the nurses unions revolt against working too many hours with too many patients. More government take over? Now comes rationing. "Oh that won't happen". Like hell...
I bet all in all there is only about 100 pages in that bill that actually help people. That is no reason to approve the other 2600 pages of crappy legislating. And then having to reconcile this over the next months/years? They all need to be voted out. We have put the ignorant, power-hungry fools in there, and this is what we get.
The problem here is that this is an insurance scam. There is nothing here to lower the cost of doing medicine for any medical care providers. This is all about insurance and insurance companies.
No one has the right to someone else's time, money, service or talent. If they want to give it freely, then no problem. This is what it means to be in America. The government gets out of your way and the private sector takes care of it. And it does, and it does quite well.
What does it really cost you to see a doctor? Will your doctor give you a discount if you pay cash? Why not shop for your doctor instead of just picking a name off an "approved" list? Same with labs, same with drugs. It has been proven several times that if you shop drug stores for prices on prescription medicines, you can save quite a bit of money.
One of a doctor's biggest expense is malpractice insurance (there is that pesky insurance company again). Tort reform and limit to lawsuits would lower this cost significantly.
The government already tried to raise the age limit for mammograms for women. Let's see what they do with late presenting cancers, like pancreatic. Let see what they do with T-cell counts and HIV meds.
Let's see how many of our doctors retire early or leave the practice altogether. Let's see how the nurses unions revolt against working too many hours with too many patients. More government take over? Now comes rationing. "Oh that won't happen". Like hell...
I bet all in all there is only about 100 pages in that bill that actually help people. That is no reason to approve the other 2600 pages of crappy legislating. And then having to reconcile this over the next months/years? They all need to be voted out. We have put the ignorant, power-hungry fools in there, and this is what we get.
