Incandescent light bulb BAN goes into effect next week
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No big deal for me, 99% of my many bulbs are LED. I am wondering about specialty bulbs, like oven lights that would be difficult to convert to LED.
It really makes me wonder, what’s going to happen with
With appliance bulbs, oven bulbs nightlight bulbs stuff with specific applications that could potentially require a filament
With appliance bulbs, oven bulbs nightlight bulbs stuff with specific applications that could potentially require a filament
Night light bulbs have been available as LED for several years now, also my 2018 fridge uses LED lighting, and I have had an LED bulb in my dryer, that I replaced the incandescent one for about 7 years ago.
I do wonder about ovens too though, and microwaves.
Incandescent lightbulb, phase out
There’s no problem using LED bulbs in microwave ovens. Also, the bulbs under over the range. Microwave ovens are switching out to LEDs.
Lightbulbs inside ovens will continue to be incandescent and be readily available. You’re heating the oven with resistance electric heat anyway so the bulb is actually assisting the heating of the oven that’s really what incandescent lightbulbs are best at anyway is heating Lighting efficiency is very low with incandescent bulbs.
John.
There’s no problem using LED bulbs in microwave ovens. Also, the bulbs under over the range. Microwave ovens are switching out to LEDs.
Lightbulbs inside ovens will continue to be incandescent and be readily available. You’re heating the oven with resistance electric heat anyway so the bulb is actually assisting the heating of the oven that’s really what incandescent lightbulbs are best at anyway is heating Lighting efficiency is very low with incandescent bulbs.
John.
"Specialty" incandescent bulbs will reasonably continue to be available for applications such an oven cavity where exposure to high temperatures is a factor.
I tried dimmable LED flood bulbs as a test in one of the auditoriums at the theater. Didn't work with the electronic dimming system so I put them in the lobby.
I wonder, however, about halogen bulbs. I have a couple puck-lights with three levels via a touchpad to illuminate chatchkas on a shelf above my family room TV. One of the bulbs went out so I changed them both to LED bulbs which claim to be dimmable but the levels are erratic. Low is medium, medium is high, high is barely visible. My OTR microwave with high/low levels has halogen bulbs.
Incandescent bulbs non non=existent here and staring next year, all florescent bulbs are outlawed here, including curly ones. Its LED only from now on in this state.
bradfordwhite
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I can't believe there was this big push a while back to get everyone using fluorescent and compact fluorescents.
Those contain mercury.
And of course the compact ones, though they need special handling and disposal requirements, most people probably just throw them in the garbage.
I don't think there is any application remaining that fluorescent was doing that LEDs can't do better and in less space. It's just amazing.
Those contain mercury.
And of course the compact ones, though they need special handling and disposal requirements, most people probably just throw them in the garbage.
I don't think there is any application remaining that fluorescent was doing that LEDs can't do better and in less space. It's just amazing.
LED bulbs are fine but... I bought a 12 pack of curly compact ones for 99 cents at Walmart, lowest cost LED bulbs I have seen is at least 2 bucks each.
I can live with this as long as it’s not mandatory as in backed by and conveyed by some gestapo patrolling every structure actively ordering bulbs taken out which are in an active use not yet ready to burn out and the LED’s replacing them be as ready to use and as bright, efficient and long-lasting as meeting these government standards as well as my own—ditto for that yellow-like, amberish glow we're so used to as well!
Someone should have raided Thomas Edison’s laboratory, then, a long time ago…
— Dave
Someone should have raided Thomas Edison’s laboratory, then, a long time ago…
— Dave
bradfordwhite
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Ban starts today
AFter 16 years of b.s.
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Dave, I have no doubt the FBI has you on top of their list. They're coming for any kind of incandescent bulb and will punish you big time. They'll also be confiscating all the potato chips and tubs of ice cream you've been hoarding. You're going to be blubbering like a pu..... on the side of the road when they're done with you.
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For normal people, it just means retailers can't sell most incandescent bulbs.
I wonder how this will play out on Ebay and the like with things like 1960s GE C7 or C9 Christmas light sets.
AFter 16 years of b.s.
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Dave, I have no doubt the FBI has you on top of their list. They're coming for any kind of incandescent bulb and will punish you big time. They'll also be confiscating all the potato chips and tubs of ice cream you've been hoarding. You're going to be blubbering like a pu..... on the side of the road when they're done with you.
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For normal people, it just means retailers can't sell most incandescent bulbs.
I wonder how this will play out on Ebay and the like with things like 1960s GE C7 or C9 Christmas light sets.
it does make me wonder,
Why can’t we put in high intensity discharge bulbs, the kind that use a ballast and igniter, such as say for outdoor lighting and fluorescent for indoor lighting
Why can’t we put in high intensity discharge bulbs, the kind that use a ballast and igniter, such as say for outdoor lighting and fluorescent for indoor lighting
HID lamps can actually be more efficient than LED-in lumens per watt.Esp ceramic metal halide.Used by plant growers,some streetlights and indoor highbay lights.Also BETTER color quality than LED.Some LED lamps do allow you to adjust their color.That is something HID can't do-you have to change lamps.
Years ago....
......PG&E (our gas/electric provider) was subsidizing the cost CFL bulbs making them extremely inexpensive to purchase.
I bought a LARGE supply at the local hardware chain store (OSH) and still have MANY.
I am one to use things up before buying new so will most likely be using CFLs for many years to come.
I do have some LED bulbs (refrigerator, hanging light with candelabra bulbs, post lamp...) Christmas lights as well.
CFLs have presented some issues for me. When they fail, they tend to do so with smoke and burning smells.
CFLs also don't "play nice" with lighted wall switches. In a 3 way switch application, the CFL flashed on and off when it was turned off so I had to replace it with an incandescent bulb.
On the flip side, LED bulbs require compatible dimmers and don't work well with "old school" dimmers.
......PG&E (our gas/electric provider) was subsidizing the cost CFL bulbs making them extremely inexpensive to purchase.
I bought a LARGE supply at the local hardware chain store (OSH) and still have MANY.
I am one to use things up before buying new so will most likely be using CFLs for many years to come.
I do have some LED bulbs (refrigerator, hanging light with candelabra bulbs, post lamp...) Christmas lights as well.
CFLs have presented some issues for me. When they fail, they tend to do so with smoke and burning smells.
CFLs also don't "play nice" with lighted wall switches. In a 3 way switch application, the CFL flashed on and off when it was turned off so I had to replace it with an incandescent bulb.
On the flip side, LED bulbs require compatible dimmers and don't work well with "old school" dimmers.
Incandescent bulbs that are allowed:
- appliances (refrigerators and ovens)
- black lights
- bug lights
- colored bulbs
- infrared
- left-handed threads
- plant lights
- floodlamps
- reflector bulbs
- showcase bulbs
- traffic lights
- other specialty bulbs such as marine and odd sizes
LED lights in ovens
They are a thing.
Most upper end models now have them over here.
They require certain heat sinking systems to be included to keep the LED temps in check - but they even survive self cleaning, so.
Biggest difference there is that the chips themselves can get quite hot if rated for it, thus, these from factory solutions just let that part get hot-ish.
Removing the driving circuit from the actual LED chips means that you can cool the driving electronics with the rest of the electronics somewhere in the system. The chip itself can survive 200F, and you can keep it there quite easily.
Keep in mind cool touch doors exist and aren't particularly thick either.
On another note, we have a large low voltage lamp installation in our house back home.
Used to be halogen - total about 300W. You'd hear the transformer with its nice 50Hz humm.
Replaced all of them with LEDs last year because we wouldn't even turn it on because of how much it used.
It's now a tenth of the power with the same lighting quality.
They are a thing.
Most upper end models now have them over here.
They require certain heat sinking systems to be included to keep the LED temps in check - but they even survive self cleaning, so.
Biggest difference there is that the chips themselves can get quite hot if rated for it, thus, these from factory solutions just let that part get hot-ish.
Removing the driving circuit from the actual LED chips means that you can cool the driving electronics with the rest of the electronics somewhere in the system. The chip itself can survive 200F, and you can keep it there quite easily.
Keep in mind cool touch doors exist and aren't particularly thick either.
On another note, we have a large low voltage lamp installation in our house back home.
Used to be halogen - total about 300W. You'd hear the transformer with its nice 50Hz humm.
Replaced all of them with LEDs last year because we wouldn't even turn it on because of how much it used.
It's now a tenth of the power with the same lighting quality.
I never liked the curly fluorescent ones. Some brands took 1/2 second after flipping switch to light up. Doesn't sound like much but annoyed me when your used to incandescent bulbs instant on. But the bigger problem was using them in cold environments like garages in the winter. Those things would take a minute or more to reach full brightness, and when all you wanted to do was step out for a minute, you couldn't see anything. Plus the mercury issue..good riddance to those things. I just try and make sure the LEDs I buy are 2700-3000 Kelvin for warm white incandescent color inside my home.
There are few things I hate more than CFLs. Hate the flat diffuse quality of their light output. Also hate some LEDs that have that flat light. Much prefer focused lighting in the home.
