New energy star washers - good or bad?

[logixx]

Suds-Saver

Bosch dishwashers in Europe already do this, as well as Whirlpool ones. KtchenAid has or will release a model in the US.

 

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/09/kitchenaid-dishwasher-recycles-water-as-it-washes/index.htm

 

[mrb627]

Suds Saving Pedestal

Instead of a stupid drawer, use that space as a holding tub for a suds saver mechanism. Sems to make sense to me.

Malcolm

 

[launderess]

Or, Simply Follow Commercial Dishwasher's

And save the final rinse water to be used for the next wash. This could mean also having separate feeds for "fresh" water and water pumped from the "tank".

 

[mark_wpduet]

110 V limitations

So is the dishwasher..and it gets hot.

At first, I was very surprised how hot my Duet got on sanitary, but the entire outside of the machine feels like a dishwasher that's been running over an hour when it's doing the sanitary cycle......which, incidentally, I've been using a lot lately for all my whites and sheets

 

[logixx]

It's actually the final rinse water that is saved.

Pedestals should be used in a different way?

Pipe:

EP2540895A1 - Heat pump coupled washer and dryer pair - Google Patents

An appliance system (10) that includes an appliance group containing at least two appliances (12, 14), a first appliance (12) designed to perform a first consumer function (12) and a second appliance (14) that is separate from said first appliance (12) and is designed to perform a second...

www.google.com

 

[frigilux]

PassatDoc-- The change in model numbers you referenced coincided with lengthened wash times for certain cycles, notably the Normal cycle, which is used by Consumer Reports for testing purposes. They test all washers using the heaviest soil option available with the Normal cycle. When choosing the heaviest soil option, wash time is nearly doubled compared to the 2010 machine I have. The length of a complete cycle went from around 50 minutes to 80. That took the Frigidaire's cleaning score from "Good" to "Excellent". Water consumption was not increased. The machine retains its Tier III Energy Star rating, which is the highest Energy Star designation.

Don't get me started on all the flaws with the way Energy Star assesses water and energy use for kitchen and laundry appliances. Their protocols are beginning to improve, mostly due to Consumer Reports' constant (and valid) criticism of their assessment methodology. CR's water/energy-use assessments are grounded in real-world use. I pay no attention to the yellow Energy Star sticker on any appliance I purchase---except to use it for the utility rebate, of course!

logixx-- Thanks for the link to Whirlpool's proposed heat pump-coupled washer/dryer pair. I'll bet AW member Jamie (Pulsator), who works for Whirlpool, has all kinds of inside information on what's to come concerning household appliances. Unfortunately, he can't share much of it with us.

 

[henene4]

The thing is: ONE brand sells a german toploader with suds saver kind thing, but It uses the sotner-rinse-water for the mainwash. That's senseless. The softener reduces the wash performance of the detergent. And it is TL...
So i think on, why don't FL or, especially, washer-dryers use it. Like the washer-dryer using it's last rinse water for the dring-cooling OR the next first rinse. The condensor could be flushed with water as the BSH air condenors do and if it is used for the rinse, the softner-residue could be helpfull on increasing rinse performance while decreasing suds. And the washers would get more stability by the tank in the bottom and they could have enough space if they would build in short-way dampers or use any kind of ropes and pulleys so the downwards forces can be converted into upwards-forces so the dampers are only at the top of the drum. Same could be used with TLs so the sideway-forces would be transfomed into vertical forces so the dampers could work more effective...

 

[kenmorewasher10]

bad

they are really bad and it doesn't fill up to where you see the water fill up to the top