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Coldspot...

Advise your Sister to send the machine back...

I would be surprised that Lowe's would attempt rewiring the preset rinse level, and that sounds like the only remedy...

A friend here in Atlanta purchased the same machine a few months ago...

Upon discovering the rinse cycle, Lowe's delivered a replacement machine (not sure of the brand) the next week with no problem...

And Tom, that's exactly what we did on subsequent loads...

Stopped the machine after the first spin, reset to "wash", and achieved as close to a real "rinse" as possible, stopping again after the first spin...

Subjecting your clothes to the rinse cycle is tantamount to death...

Wonder how many owners of this machine, as well as the comparable Admiral, Estate, and Inglis models, don't realize how the rinse works...

And I think the entry level price makes this one of Lowe's best sellers...

 

George

 

 

 
 
This isn't just sad

it is alarming. Clothing WILL get ruined. The oldest directions in the land insist on sufficient water in top loaders that will allow the load to circulate freely to prevent damage to clothing. How can they get away with this? How long will it take non-washer people to realize that their machine is destroying their wardrobe and their linens. Shouldn't we alert the media? What am I missing here? This is really crazy. Have we really come to this? W H I R L P O O L is making a machine that destroys clothing? Give me the gas pipe.
 
Lowes

I wasn't necessarily suggesting that Lowes attempt the rewire or anything like that. More of a solution for washer folks that may end up with one of these machines and like to tinker. It's a sad ending to the DD machines, these Ropers and the like Inglis and Estate models were a very good value. The 2.5 and later 3.2 cu. ft. Roper is a good, simple machine, and I don't really like the new BD machines that are coming out. The real issue is, like mentioned earlier, the possible clothes damage. DD machines are not particularly kind to garments sometimes with a full load when overloaded, let alone with 1/3 the water. It's a cheap cop-out to get their water usage down since the US is all desert now and there apparently is not enough water to wash clothes properly. I mean they're killing T/L machines soon enough anyway why bother with this song and dance?

 

It really bothers me, I'd take a new Frigidaire T/L over this...

 

-Tim
 
Rinse Agitate Time

Out of curiosity, how long was the agitation portion of the rinse cycle? I would expect they would increase the time so that the load would be evenly beaten...

Malcolm
 
Thats the standard for Top load washers today

Its sad to say but for washers i would say that its the standard today and the only thing that comes into my mind is if we went a decent washer in a vacation home it would be to buy a vaction home and place a washer dryer that we chose usaly the appliances in a rental vacation home are chosen by the staff of the rental agency and i know for a fact that i have use for my family a roper washer in a rental home but i think it was a 2009 model before the change in water normes for rinse and it wash and rinse pretty well. This is just my 2 cents here in this thread.
 
My sister is in a fight with lowes and the maker, Loes says they will not take it back then the maker says they will fix it and so on and so on. She today just called me mad the serve guy now clams it needs a new shell that is the problem with it . lol

The problem with it is the thing is leaking oil not cleaning and sounds like a fright train. no joke.

About rinse that part is computer thing in a black box you can see it in the parts guide. Today my sister got to see it run for the first time with no shell on it. She said it joke. beside no water at all half the time. It is also very hard and splashed water all over the place.

After this guy left she made the last call to the maker of it, In the next week if no reply then bbb and she is taking to the store in person. She is not happy and I can not blame her, She and her family worked hard for this washer they got the set dryer is great washer is junk.

It is more like a portable since the load size is so odd on it.
 
W H I R L P O O L is making a machine that destroys clothing

In another thread, I tell the story of how Disney created a ride that insults guests so I guess anything that a business does that does not make sense is possible.

I guess Whirlpool figures no lawyer would have a Roper in the their basement so they aren't too worried about lawsuits.
 
OMG! Are they kidding?

This is just my oppinion but I think top loaders were alway a bit hursher with clothing because of the agitator, but doing it almost without water is like putting the laundry in a blender!

I would never be that towel in this Roper washer. The rinse water level is just scary!
Poor washing :(

Ingemar
 
Has WP completely lost it?

Or are the green police who think we can clean things without water, heat or good detergent that strong. This is a joke at best. All you will get with that joke of a rinse is shredded clothes and skin irritation not to mention a broken machine. I'm thoroughly disgusted at this.
 
2011 energy compliant washer

This design tweak on the infamous DD washer owes its thanks to the U.S. energy standards set fourth for 2011.

The previous 2009/2010 Estate, Admiral, Inglis, and yes Roper machines, had four old-fashioned water levels. The same models were re-tweaked with the modified 3-level settings using a pressure switch that doesn't fully fill the tub for wash.

Its funny, but I've heard that many consumers complain about these, and some in fact write about splashy low water rinses in online reviews, but are too stupid to see the color printed instruction under the lid, either when they buy the machine or when it is in service.

The U.S. government says a washer should use only a certain number of gallons, etc and this is how WP made the low-end DD machines comply. Without these the company fails its energy complaince (and tax status).

There are a couple simple solutions, one of which WP does not want us to know about apparently. FIRST, the second pressure switch (yes Tim, there is a second pressure switch for the rinse, which is buried in the console) is a two setting switch, but the shaft for turning it is not long enough to protrude into the console. The switch can simply be re-set to the high setting and the machine will fill to high for ALL rinses. SOMEONE TRY THAT!!!

Secondly, I've heard that a jumper wire or set of jumpers is possible at the timer quick connect block. I have no proof of this however as I have not seen the wiring harness, but it seems reasonable.

My solution, and I actually considered buying an Admiral when Home Depot had them on sale for $249 recently, is to disconnect the rinse switch and jump the wiring over to the wash switch, which would give variable rinses.

Couple my solution with a new pressure switch from 2009's Whirlpool WTW5100XQ and you'd have a properly filled 3-level machine again.

I still say it would be fun to buy one of these and modify it into a PROPER washer.

Gordon
 
WE are capable of rewiring the thing to make it work acceptably. But its target buyers aren't.

Without saying so, is the government trying to force everyone into frontloaders? Because even casual users find this 1/3rd rinse fill to be unacceptable nonsense.

I prefer frontloaders, proof they don't eat clothes like a toploader does (my t-shirts last twice as long as with my Maytag). But that doesn't make it right for the government to force people to buy something they don't want.

I also conserve most everything and always have, even before it became "hip" to. But I by-gawd want the detergent out of my clothes and off my dishes and if it takes another dozen gallons so be it.
 
Malcolm...

Rinse time on the Normal cycle was five minutes of beating and thrashing...
Permanent Press was about the same, using a longer initial spray rinse as opposed to the once-traditional cool down...

George
 
Thanks

Thanks for the feedback George. Seems rather sneaky on Whirlpool's part to include a hidden setting to change the rinse level to hi. I guess rather than taking the machine back from an angry customer, it would be better to satisfy the customer's request.

Malcolm
 
Coldspot

tell your sister to take the machine itself, back to Lowes, and PARK it right along the doorway into the store, blocking the doors from closing, or allowing people to get in........

trust me you will get a crowd......if they threaten to call the Police, threaten back to call the news station.......

I did this with BestBuy in 1999........PARKED the Neptune in their doorway......and I had FOX News on the phone.....blocking the entrance......had all paperwork from the repair guys.....the Cops wouldn't interfere, as long as the Exit was available for Fire Safety.....

20 Minutes later, they loaded a new machine in my truck!!!

sometimes you have to go to extremes!
 
I mean.....Doesn't it seem like if you're going to have a washer that uses little water like that that it would be in the wash portion for more concentrated detergent & it would fill higher for rinse? Sad that they did this but if they're going to do this, it seems to me it should be the other way around.
 
i just have to step in

I think that you need to live with it low water usage washing machine is the norm today and i can also think that with all the new tech in front loading washers i can estimate that by the end of 2013 2014 tops that toploading washers will no longer be sold in department stores they may still be avalable but they will be avalable as special order items and coldspot i would suggest that you have your sister return her defective washer and get a refund for her purchuse and have her try to find a 1990 or earlier vintage washer where she would not have to worry about the rinse water level and also have your sister talk direcly with the store manager not the sale clerk that sold her the machine and have your sister write a complaint letter to the store as well that she is not satisfy with the service and maybe you should suggest to yur sister that she buys a speed queen washer but not in the store where she would return her defective washer but in another store. well this is my 2 cents in this thread as well just by seeing this i can also say that this is making me think more as well.
 
 

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[COLOR=black; font-size: 10.5pt]Generally speaking (a very broad generalization), we Americans are a very selfish and wasteful lot. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   [/COLOR]We’ve been so spoiled for so long because EVERYTHING has been so plentiful and inexpensive, we have become complacent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">    </span>"I'm here for me, now, because I can and don’t really care what happens to the rest of the world" kind of thinking.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   </span>I have to admit I’ve been guilty of this thinking too at times.</span>

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[COLOR=black; font-size: 10.5pt]So, I don’t think it’s totally a bad thing the government is trying to protect us from ourselves.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  [/COLOR]<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>HOWEVER…. the Feds have gone WAY too far overboard with all these regulation on EVERYTHING.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   </span>I mean it’s just ABSURD how they’re forcing manufacturers to cut water usage on all washing machines (and dishwashers).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   M</span>any have complained about the new front loaders washing in only “a cup of water” and now some of these top loaders rinsing in just 1 gallon of water?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   </span>What the hell?!?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   </span></span>

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[COLOR=black; font-size: 10.5pt]I cannot believe WP has done that with this machine (well I guess I can with the reasons Gordon outlined above). <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  [/COLOR]<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I hope it’s limited to the lower end Roper line!  <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I would be SO completely pissed at finding poorly rinsed AND damaged clothes after washing them in a machine like this!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   </span>WOW!</span>

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[COLOR=black; font-size: 10.5pt]OK, here’s a conspiracy theory for you: Perhaps the clothing manufacturers are in cahoots with WP to cause premature ware and clothing failure so they can sell more clothing!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">   [/COLOR]HA!   ;-)</span>

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[this post was last edited: 1/6/2012-16:24]
 
Kevin -

Virtually ALL the DDs in production are made this way now, but I believe there is only one or two Amana models, one Admiral, one Roper, one Inglis, and one Estate left. All but the higher-end Amana are essentially identical. There may be one or two builder's model Kenmore DDs left as well (we can't get them at Sears retail stores or online but they sometimes show up in Sears Outlets) but because these are Kenmore and not a WP company product, the low rinse fill may not apply to those.

If you recall, DDs were supposed to end production in 2010. Now that we're in 2012, this is what is left. The deep fill belt-drive top loaders that WP builds are not fill-challenged, but I believe all the WPs have that fabric softener switch that does a spin-rinse only unless the user switches the knob saying they used softener. If I had one of those it would always be "on".

This softener yes/no switch debuted on DDs - why it didn't continue I can't say.
 
With these machines rinsing they way they are doing sales of A&D or Balmex or Destin onitment will be on the rise.  Makes me wonder if Whirlpool Corp. wons one or both or more of the diaper rash brands or even a Zinc Oxide factory.  Could be lots of raw rash private body parts.
 
I plan to keep craigslisting for the old faithfuls,  A wringer machine in good shape could be a lucky thing to have to for  whites, sheets and towels.  was thinking about the kelvinator magic minute, the only agitator could be safely started with low water and concentrated detergent. Well i guess this new Whirlpool dispels that myth :-) alr 
 
roper

martin, i just about rolled off my chair when i read about you putting the maytag neptune right in front of the door at best buy!!!!! that is HALARIOUS!
 
They sell these particular washers as "Estate" washers here. They really are next to BOL.. I've seen the washers selling for slightly under $350 here.

Personally, when I first took a look at the machine, I was impressed that they used an old fashioned porcelain black with white speckled tub. Any washer at this price range usually has a plastic tub. Especially the GE ones.

Then I saw the lid and saw the "Reduced water wash" graphics. I couldn't believe it. What a really lousy compromise. Unrinsed and ruined clothing. Ugh.

If I had the money and knowledge, I would make an instructional video and post it on youtube. "Transform your Roper or Estate washer from a Piece of Junk into a Jewel."

I'm sure if the instructions were clear, anyone with a screwdriver and a small bit of mechanical knowledge could do it.

Then again, I wonder how long the video would stay up before Whirlpool files a lawsuit or something stupid like that..
 
Resource Saver

Whirlpool needs to bring back the resource saver machines. At least they wouldn't damage your clothing.

Malcolm
 
Deep Fill

The wash cycle was your standard deep fill wash phase. Rinsing was accomplished by a series of spin sprays which were recirculated then pumped out and repeated.

I heard it was a pretty effective method.

Malcolm
 
Estate at Fry's

I saw this machine on the sales floor at Fry's yesterday. It was stickered at $278. I sat next to a Haier top loading turbo drum machine that was priced under $300 and probably a better choice for the money.

I also overheard a sale person pushing the Samsung top loader as the best top loading machine for the money. I almost laughed out loud. I suppose it is the best for the money considering the offerings on their sales floor.

Malcolm
 

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