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Hey maybe they did find a way to squander some of the Katrina money that was left on the table. I am all for the auto plant and the jobs but my goodness, i thought this technology was available in the NLA Yugo.
 
I read this the other day. Though Fisker is somehow involved, I wouldn't necessarily say that this is to be the Fisker assembly plant. The Fisker car is good looking, but I have not seen a specific product tied to this plant yet.

Short answer: don't hold your breath for this to be some sensational product. If it is, good, just don't bet on it.
 
I'm a "green" nut as well. I like my Prius hybrid but GEEZ, the price you gotta pay for one of those.

I can understand going from a big honkin' SUV to a small car to save gas but depending on what you get for the SUV, you can get a Honda Fit or Civic or even an Insight Hybrid and totally save money. I'm very conservative with money so bang for the buck and mpg for the buck is the key. And if you want to keep the monster, just slow it down a little. Drive in the right lane, give it enough gas to get up to speed and let it coast to the next redlight, keep a huge distance between you and the other car. Then you can LAUGH at the aggressive drivers because they're WASTING their money driving like that.

My 2003 Beetle TDI is paid for and gets 48mpg, which is respectable except for the crazy extreme hypermilers who think they can get 100mpg out of their cars (by driving weird).

The Prius is nice but I guess I'll start liking it when it's paid for as well.

I do believe in building homes as energy efficient as possible with going overboard with expensive "green" or "recycled" stuff. Again, you get your kWh for the buck.
 
Delco (GM) used to have a manufacturing facility in Monroe for about 20 years before GM closed it down, so some of the auto work force may still be present in Monroe. Also GM built some models of the S10 pickup in Shreveport for several years. So north Louisiana has some experience with this industry.

But a few years ago the state of Louisiana was pumping money into developing its own state airline, Air Louisiana or something like that to provide intra state and carribean services. They pumped money and pumped money into it and there is still no airplanes at the gate ready to fly. And nobody seems to know where this money went, either!
 
I know where it went

Somebody's pockets as usual.

I could imagine flying Lousiana Airline...

"How y'all doin'? Dis is Boudreaux, I'm da pilot and Thibodaux's da co-pilot." and I'M Cajun so I can talk like that.
 
$4500 trade in deal

The Presidents trade in deal is a great idea. However, those of us that have the "old cars, or gas guzzlers" can't afford a new car! That's why we drive these older cars, for heaven's sake!! I would love to have a hybrid vehicle, but, how can I afford one on $8.55 an hour?
 
"The Presidents trade in deal is a great idea. However, those of us that have the 'old cars, or gas guzzlers' can't afford a new car!"

I couldn't put it any better myself.
 
However, those of us that have the 'old cars, or gas guz

And some of us prefer older cars, whether we can afford newer or not :)

I have never had an issue with any of my vehicles passing well below the standard for California's strict emissions requirements. That's what happens when you properly maintain your vehicle.

I just smogged my 25 year old Toyota pickup with all of the original emission equipment, even the cat. Troy (the guy smogging the truck) looked baffled at the readings. He said it passed with fewer emissions than some newer cars and most new trucks. He said if I were to install a new cat, all of the readings would probably be "zero" across the board.

Don't buy into the hype that newer automatically equals fewer emissions!
 
Put Your Money Where Your Heart Is..

Our electric company offers a normal residential rate of 0.11 per Kwh. They offer a "green option" where you can get electricity supplied by using green equipment for 0.18 per Kwh.

Which one do you think people are going to opt for?
 
qsd-dan . . .

You’re right that older can sometimes be better, but not always for the reasons you think. I’ve known a variety of older cars here in CA that pass smog testing with little or no trouble, and some others that are a big pain in the tail even if perfectly maintained. ‘80s stuff IMO is often the best, in that it was new enough to have fairly decent fuel injection, but old enough to have some real adjustment capability. I had a couple of Fiat/Bertone X1/9s that gave very little trouble with their simple but intrinsically clean 1.5 liter single overhead cam engines and Bosch L-Jetronic injection. By contrast, my ’87 Saab 900 Turbo had a known history, ran like a clock and used no oil, but was difficult to smog in spite of having a much more advanced twin cam, four valve per cylinder engine and supposedly superior Bosch LH-Jetronic injection. The difference in injection was the secret: L-Jetronic uses a crude flapper valve potentiometer to measure airflow, and an equally crude adjustable bypass to alter the air-fuel ratio at idle. LH-Jetronic uses a fully electronic hotwire airflow meter with a tiny electronic “pot” to allow for adjustment. This is mostly useless and can’t compensate for old electronics that don’t quite meet their design parameters anymore. On the Saab (and Volvos too, according to my smog man), this results in lean running and ever so slightly high Nox. The fix? A brand new several hundred dollar airflow meter. Meanwhile on the Fiat one just put a voltmeter on the lambda probe, and adjusted that fat bypass screw until it fluctuated correctly. Like the smog tech on your Toyota, I had at least one man look at the old Fiat and ask what on earth I'd done to make it so clean!

A ’92 Eagle my family had from new and maintained very, very well was virtually impossible to smog once it was eight years and 75,000 miles old – Chrysler’s engine management systems by then had no adjustment for either mixture or timing, and no distributor either. I managed to build a trick EGR valve that would barely enable the car to run, but would pass smog. Like the Saab, it wasn’t very dirty, just on the edge. No doubt a replacement of every sensor on the engine and the ECU would have fixed it, but only at a cost of thousands of dollars, assuming that Chrysler would even have had the parts (not likely in my experience). Until I went through this, I thought stuff like fully electronic airflow meters and distributorless ignition systems was fabulous, now I know better.
 
hydralique..

Yeah, some of the older 80's vehicles had a difficult time passing smog, even when they were new. Jeeps are a known one. Once, when one of my friends was complaining about spending huge $$$ to get his late 80's jeep to pass smpg every 2 years, I asked him to crawl under the thing and count how many cats are in line (they usually have 3-4). That was an eye opener for him. I guess that 4.0 liter was a dirty motor.

Luckily, I've never had to tamper with any adjustment on the Yota. I always check the timing before a smog, but it's never ventured away from being 5BTDC, just like the book calls for. I guess I could drill out a plug and mess with the Mass Air Flow sensor, but it runs great and passes with flying colors.

One interesting thing I find funny about older vehicles is that some of them get better mileage then the brand new ones today. My brother bought a new Toyota truck a year and a half ago. I visited him for a week and drove it around for a tank full. Even with my feathered right foot, I barley archived 24 MPG. My 84 pulls 31 on a regular basis. Before MTBE and ethanol, it would pull over 36 on the highway. The worst it ever got in 25 years was 24 MPG in below zero temps. My dad had a 1975 Datsun B210 that would regularly pull 45 MPG, yet 35 years later a hybrid struggles to get those figures.
 

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