Hate to rain on your parade, but you need to slow down on the posts and focus more on quality, not quantity.
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- Thread starter Chetlaham
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My posts are of quality, in that they are rooted in evidence based reasoning. Yours are not.
You make claims about 240 volts being more dangerous which is not the case based on fire, shock and energy data gathered from around the world.
Tradition and chauvinism can be fun, but it isn't always a reflection of reality especially when emotions take precedence over reason.
Just my 2 cents
phillymatt53
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Oh well, so much for all those SO CALLED Energy Saving Appliances!
Lotta good they do, eh?
More Marketing bullshit to convince the masses with.
Yup!
The American public was never told the truth or shown the whole picture in the 2000s. Unless the US is willing to change its infrastructure it needs to stick with what it started off with. Otherwise it will never work out. Front load technology is built around starting off with a cool or cold fill and then using a 230 volt heater to reach a target temperature letting detergent work in stages. This not only provides the best cleaning, but also the most energy savings. Hence why 230 volt power is so energy efficient.
In order to provide reasonable cycle times with 120 volt power, most US front loader skip water heating which leads to wash water being to cool to provide effective cleaning and gunk removal.
If Speed Queen offered a 240 volt 60Hz front load washer with an assured targeted water temp for each cycle and option I would gladly take a cold fill and run a 240 volt line up to the machine. However until then I will stick with my top load and keep my water heater above 140*F.
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Oh, Oh, I think Chet and Matt are short of fiber in their diets.
phillymatt53
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LOL!
It's not the voltage, its the electricity prices that encourage less electricity consumption. Energy labels have been hugely effective in the UK at encouraging people to choose more efficient appliances.
Appliances designed for 240v are no less safe than 120v ones, and the current flowing through the cables and flex are lower for the same wattage, so less heat produced.
Doesn't take much voltage to kill you.
Death by USB:- https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-la...holding-charging-phone-in-bath-inquest-hears/
I seriously doubt our energy consumption has a thing to do with the differences between 110/220/60hz and 220/50hz. It's due to our many years of keeping up with the Joneses, and cheap electricity, partly thanks to the TVA and other programs. Most of Europe and many other countries have always had relatively higher electricity costs, and therefor an incentive to conserve. The lower cost of wiring for 220V for a given amount of power was also a consideration. While it's true that 220V can remove the need to pay attention to efficiency, there have always been efficient choices if you cared to look. And I disagree that 220V is inherently less safe than 110, you'll cook your goose either way... Frankly, if I'm gonna electrocute myself, I'd prefer to get it over as quickly as possible anyhow!
Now I have to ask. How old is that building and when was the last time the practice renovated its space? Cool to see in service despite being so obsolete. Now you just have to show me their electrical panel(s)
phillymatt53
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You've just explained and clarified what I've always said about Corporate Greed and it's many ways to milk the consumer for money.
Raise the electric rates, then people will BUY energy efficient products.
Both the electric companies gain profits, and so does the appliance manufacturers.
They both win..... and you spend more.
Simple manipulation.
They didn't raise electricity prices here to sell more appliances, it is simply always been more expensive because we don't have the gas reserves, and we had traditionally relied on burning coal which is costly and polluting and unreliable due to strikes, and now drax burns biomass, it is even more costy, then expensive to build nuclear power stations, we were slow to exploit wind power, are still slow to exploit tidal, supposedly affordable modular nuclear reactors have been on the drawing boards for decades, and currently due to a somewhat misguided net-zero policy, an unwillingness by government to allow the exploitation of the few remaining untapped gas fields left, and the russian war on ukraine.
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