What Is Your Pre-Treater?

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Well, now,

After living in Europe for over 25 years now...yes, we do so pre-treat upon occasion.
And soak.

It is true that the US has to put up with very weak laundry detergents, but I really doubt that all those shelves of Gallseife and Oxi-diesesundjenes are there because Metro doesn't mind losing valuable sales territory for the fun of it.

Persil color gel, as mentioned above, is a very good pre-treatment, especially if you have to worry about unstable colors.
 
Have to agree with Jon and Rob above

I find things like Vanish and other in-wash boosters absolutely useless when a good detergent like Ariel bio powder is used.

The people I know who swear by it seem to supplement it with crappy detergent like surf, own brand non-bio liquids or colourcare products on whites, so it's really not suprising. I suppose it could be useful for the Quick wash and low temperature abusers too.

The only thing I do find useful sometimes are the pre-treatment sprays, but only on the most stubborn stains like the mud and grass on my brothers football kits. I recently rescued my favouite top that had vicks vaporub on it using one too.

The only thing I would disagree with is that my whites are as white as can be at 40c, although I certainly wouldn't go below that.

Matt
 

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