Whirlpool-Maytag-KitchenAid dishwashers: 2020 Redesign

[volsboy1]

I can't tell if it alternates wash arms or not. I am thinking that it does just because of that new 3rd rack 360 bottle wash.

The motor looks the same that is on Maytag dishwashers now. It says 1/3 H.P. on Maytags web-site but on the motor it says .24 H.P.  and 2.1 Amps of current . The motor is much more powerful than all of them out there that I have found. Most dishwasher pump motors today are 50 to 100 watt Askol Aquarium type motors.

I wonder if Whirlpool will use this type of pump with all there dishwashers like Amana,Jen-air and there own brand.

 

 

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Good question.

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[appnut]

Wex, Maytag was the last of the old Point Voyager pump design (all wash arms rotating at the same time) to be sold since the Clean Water Wash/MicroClean wash system was released sometime in 2014 with the initial model KA KDTM354DSS.  Then in 2015 KA released 4 additional models that made up their high-end models . Then 2 years ago they announced 2 or 3 more models that were less featured, but still included this pump design.  Sears released their own version in August 2015 with 4 base models and announced 1 or 2 more in 2016 before Whirlpool ceased selling their branded products in Sears.  There's only like 2 or 3 base models from the Sears MicroClean wash system left.  All Sears' new high-end models have been by LG since 2016 and 2017.     

 

[retro-man]

I had a feeling

Woke up yesterday morning to a dishwasher that I had turned on the night before, with no finish cycle light. Oh no. I tripped and reset breaker no change. Opened and check glasses, they were clean and looked rinsed. Pulled out bottom rack and there is clear water still in tub. No nothing when trying to start again. Completely dead. Between service call and parts mind as well buy a new one. It is a 7 year old Whirlpool tall tub. It was a good dishwasher but time to move on. Will go look at the new Whirlpool and Maytags on Monday. Actually this is shortest time I have ever had on a dishwasher. I guess I have had good luck.

Jon

 

[appnut]

These new models have not been announced formally yet. Sometime in February.

 

[combo52]

Woke Up To A Dead DW

Hi Jon, you probably just have an open Thermal Fuse in the control area, if you find this to be the case be sure to install the heavier wires that come with the new TF to prevent a repeat failure.

 

Post Your model # and I can tell you which one is needed.

 

Throwing away a 7 YO DW is like buying a new car when the battery is bad. I would not take the chance of damage to your kitchen, floor cabinets etc to have a simple to fix problem solved.

 

John L.

 

[logixx]

KDPM804KBS and MDB9979SKZ are some of the new KitchenAid and Maytag models listed on plessers.com. Besides an installation manual on Mayag's Canadian website, there's no information on the manufacturer's websites yet.

 

[retro-man]

Hi John,

Thanks for your response. The model # is WDF530PLYW3. Any info would be appreciated.

Jon

 

[combo52]

Dead WP DW

Hi John, thanks for the model #, This DW does not use an external TF, it is built into the main control board.

Try turning off the breaker for 10 minutes, if that does not help confirm that the power connections in the junction box are good and that power is actually getting that far.

Other than these items it could have a bad control board, unfortunately the board lists for around $175, Sorry I though this DW still had an external TF which was a very common problem.

John L.

 

[DADoES]

 
Assuming SearsParts data is correct, board original P/N W10461370 subs to W10473200.

RepairClinic.com has it $144.79.

Sears lists $141.95.

PartsDr.com $124.56 ($7.99 shipping)

ApplianceParts4All.com $121.62

PartsIPS.com $93.42 (but shipping is high $26.95)

CertifiedParts.com has choices of $79.00 (Refurbished, 1yr warranty), $147.20 (New - Salvaged/Open Box, 1yr warranty), and $168.00 (new, factory warranty).

eBay has a range of choices.  One I see is described as NIB / Open Box for $54.95 with free shipping.

 

[retro-man]

Thanks guys, I tried shutting the breaker for a day and no change. Getting power right up to the machine. Was online yesterday checking prices for parts and along with this there is a problem with the fill valve. It is making a very high pitched whistle when filling. This just started a month ago. So that would be needed to be replace also. So me and the mrs went dishwasher shopping yesterday and picked out a Maytag MDB49490SHW. It was in stock and will be delivered and installed this week.

Jon

 

[appnut]

New Maytags & Kitchenaids are on Goedeckers web site.  The user manuals aren't updated to correspond with new models yet.  Maytag's Dual Power Filtration combines microfiltration and 4-blade stainless steel chopper.  The 3rd rack has a specialized wash zone.  

 

The KA 3rd rack can take on glasses & mugs up to 6" tall.  Has rotating wash jets.  

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Wash arm alternation

Does this Maytag dishwasher alternate wash arms, or do they run simultaneously? I'd like to know.

 

[johnb300m]

We got photos, people!

https://www.amaytag.com/en/catalog/product/600012-Maytag-MDB9959SKZ#600012_product_11

Looking good!
Maytag model.

 

[appnut]

THANKS JOHN!!!

 

Here's a KitchenAid

 

And the owns' manual is still the old document, doesn't go with the new model.  

https://www.amaytag.com/en/catalog/product/600218-KitchenAid-KDFM404KPS

 

[appnut]

Quick Start Guide

Mentions & shows about the foreign objects cup.  

http://media.datatail.com/docs/additional/600221_en.pdf

 

[appnut]

I know I"m beieng picky

Just wish their TOL 804 model came with a water softener.  

 

[appnut]

Well, new models are finally showing up on their corporate web pages.  And unfortunately, again, they don't provide the correct owners manual and other material, it's still the old product use & care.  Just, as indicated upthread, the appropriate quick start guide for the KA.  whirlpool did the same thing when they announced their new front load line late fall/early winter 2018.  Wonder if any interested potential customers realize it's the wrong documentation.  

 

[logixx]

Maytag and KitchenAid - Cycle Guides

 

[appnut]

Alex, thank you!!  You had to have been sensing my frustration all the way to Germany.  This information is lacking in any and all documentation associated with the new models online next to product descriptions.  I also wish they had more graphics demonstration of various loading approaches especially for the new Flex 3rd rack.  Two things I did notice: (1) Water usage for the Maytag PowerBlast cycle is no longer up to 9 or more gallons a cycle and (2) estimated cycle length for comparable cycles is longer for the KitchenAid than Maytag by a few minutes--about 10 minutes actually.  The only thing I'm still wishing is for what the time addition/subtraction and water usage is for when the Upper 2 racks option is selected.  Also some graphic illustration of various ways to load the new flex rack 3rd rack and even the newly designed middle rack.  The "instruction sheet" was pretty pathetic at this.