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In today's world, I'm sure they have to do this because some dummy would put a pizza with meat and pepperoni on it, or a whole cake with walnut chunks inside or something, and then file a lawsuit because their pump assembly had to be torn out because the insoluble food gummed it up.

I wouldn't even attempt the cake test in my PowerClean if there were any food ingredients involved that don't dissolve in heat and water. Most people don't have common sense though, hence our society of "this could burn you/hurt you" labels on everything we buy.
 
Somewhat impressed

Those rotating spray arms for the third rack are very cool. I just hope this design works as well as they state. However, if the dual filter whatever system works as good as they claim, shouldn’t a normal cycle take care of those soils of the pizza, cake, and PB&J? Sensors should pick up on that extra junk. The power blast cycle in current machines uses about 7 fills if I remember correctly. I’d certainly hope it would be capable of doing that.
 
@lakewebsterkid - It should. I suppose they also like to showcase the marketing to their “PowerBlast” cycle on the Maytags. To be honest, the overuse of the word Power on the Maytag products is cheesy to me. On the dishwashers it’s literally just the same as Heavy cycle on all the sister machines. It doesn’t increase pressure or anything, just forces the max number of prewashes and rinses and heats the main wash.

That said, the cake tests I’ve done on the Whirlpool 920 and KitchenAid KDFE104, along with the scorch test I did on thread floating around this site somewhere, I believe I used the Sensor or Normal cycles, and the machine decided to run with the max three prewashes with purges between, plus three full rinses. So I’d imagine these new machines would operate in a similar fashion.

Also, that manual seems to be for the 2015 to 2019 MicroClean/CleanWater system like I believe appnut(Bob) has.
 
I can't tell if it alternates wash arms or not. I am thinking that it does just because of that new 3rd rack 360 bottle wash.

The motor looks the same that is on Maytag dishwashers now. It says 1/3 H.P. on Maytags web-site but on the motor it says .24 H.P.  and 2.1 Amps of current . The motor is much more powerful than all of them out there that I have found. Most dishwasher pump motors today are 50 to 100 watt Askol Aquarium type motors.

I wonder if Whirlpool will use this type of pump with all there dishwashers like Amana,Jen-air and there own brand.

 

 

 
 
Wex, Maytag was the last of the old Point Voyager pump design (all wash arms rotating at the same time) to be sold since the Clean Water Wash/MicroClean wash system was released sometime in 2014 with the initial model KA KDTM354DSS.  Then in 2015 KA released 4 additional models that made up their high-end models . Then 2 years ago they announced 2 or 3 more models that were less featured, but still included this pump design.  Sears released their own version in August 2015 with 4 base models and announced 1 or 2 more in 2016 before Whirlpool ceased selling their branded products in Sears.  There's only like 2 or 3 base models from the Sears MicroClean wash system left.  All Sears' new high-end models have been by LG since 2016 and 2017.     
 
I had a feeling

Woke up yesterday morning to a dishwasher that I had turned on the night before, with no finish cycle light. Oh no. I tripped and reset breaker no change. Opened and check glasses, they were clean and looked rinsed. Pulled out bottom rack and there is clear water still in tub. No nothing when trying to start again. Completely dead. Between service call and parts mind as well buy a new one. It is a 7 year old Whirlpool tall tub. It was a good dishwasher but time to move on. Will go look at the new Whirlpool and Maytags on Monday. Actually this is shortest time I have ever had on a dishwasher. I guess I have had good luck.

Jon
 
Woke Up To A Dead DW

Hi Jon, you probably just have an open Thermal Fuse in the control area, if you find this to be the case be sure to install the heavier wires that come with the new TF to prevent a repeat failure.

 

Post Your model # and I can tell you which one is needed.

 

Throwing away a 7 YO DW is like buying a new car when the battery is bad. I would not take the chance of damage to your kitchen, floor cabinets etc to have a simple to fix problem solved.

 

John L.
 
KDPM804KBS and MDB9979SKZ are some of the new KitchenAid and Maytag models listed on plessers.com. Besides an installation manual on Mayag's Canadian website, there's no information on the manufacturer's websites yet.
 
Dead WP DW

Hi John, thanks for the model #, This DW does not use an external TF, it is built into the main control board.

Try turning off the breaker for 10 minutes, if that does not help confirm that the power connections in the junction box are good and that power is actually getting that far.

Other than these items it could have a bad control board, unfortunately the board lists for around $175, Sorry I though this DW still had an external TF which was a very common problem.

John L.
 
 
Assuming SearsParts data is correct, board original P/N W10461370 subs to W10473200.

RepairClinic.com has it $144.79.

Sears lists $141.95.

PartsDr.com $124.56 ($7.99 shipping)

ApplianceParts4All.com $121.62

PartsIPS.com $93.42 (but shipping is high $26.95)

CertifiedParts.com has choices of $79.00 (Refurbished, 1yr warranty), $147.20 (New - Salvaged/Open Box, 1yr warranty), and $168.00 (new, factory warranty).

eBay has a range of choices.  One I see is described as NIB / Open Box for $54.95 with free shipping.
 
Thanks guys, I tried shutting the breaker for a day and no change. Getting power right up to the machine. Was online yesterday checking prices for parts and along with this there is a problem with the fill valve. It is making a very high pitched whistle when filling. This just started a month ago. So that would be needed to be replace also. So me and the mrs went dishwasher shopping yesterday and picked out a Maytag MDB49490SHW. It was in stock and will be delivered and installed this week.

Jon
 
New Maytags & Kitchenaids are on Goedeckers web site.  The user manuals aren't updated to correspond with new models yet.  Maytag's Dual Power Filtration combines microfiltration and 4-blade stainless steel chopper.  The 3rd rack has a specialized wash zone.  

 

The KA 3rd rack can take on glasses & mugs up to 6" tall.  Has rotating wash jets.  
 
Well, new models are finally showing up on their corporate web pages.  And unfortunately, again, they don't provide the correct owners manual and other material, it's still the old product use & care.  Just, as indicated upthread, the appropriate quick start guide for the KA.  whirlpool did the same thing when they announced their new front load line late fall/early winter 2018.  Wonder if any interested potential customers realize it's the wrong documentation.  
 
Alex, thank you!!  You had to have been sensing my frustration all the way to Germany.  This information is lacking in any and all documentation associated with the new models online next to product descriptions.  I also wish they had more graphics demonstration of various loading approaches especially for the new Flex 3rd rack.  Two things I did notice: (1) Water usage for the Maytag PowerBlast cycle is no longer up to 9 or more gallons a cycle and (2) estimated cycle length for comparable cycles is longer for the KitchenAid than Maytag by a few minutes--about 10 minutes actually.  The only thing I'm still wishing is for what the time addition/subtraction and water usage is for when the Upper 2 racks option is selected.  Also some graphic illustration of various ways to load the new flex rack 3rd rack and even the newly designed middle rack.  The "instruction sheet" was pretty pathetic at this.  
 

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