I just say I would kill to have a dishwasher with a disposer, having dealt with european filtered dishwashers and currently keep seing them I here say they've generally nothing to do with the disposer kind ones for easyness and cleaning, tell all you want to, but they cleans better to me, and yes, in europe dishwashers since long now tend to have weak pumps lazy sprays, take forever and not clean well, now more than ever before...
I already said how unhappy I've been all these years after our 80s left us....
Now I am really happy with vintage indesit, even though being a filtered type all I needed was an actual washing action, not some random sprinkling on stuff modern US eco and european dishwashers averagely do from awhile now...
All clean and dry!
Oh and I finally see again some cups turned from the water if I don't block them like in the old days we had an almost functional machine, a thing I never saw with the 6+ machines I changed in these years!
I am quite unsure about certain affermations here, and what are mere ponts of view (outdating)..based on what??? Because of eco theories and what they tell you? The fashion? Ah ah!
I want my dishes clean!
Then, the matter is that while till few years ago in the US you had even the most BOL dishwashers with PV, powerful pumps and real washing that costed as much as 200 bucks or less and took the hell out of your dishes as the TOL models did (TOL just meant more features), now you've "modern"Eco dishwashers with filters costing on the several hundreds full of trinkets but of which though many people laments of about cleaning, and can't quite figure it out how's possible! Add to that longness of cycles etc...and here you have people unhappy. Infact is absurd for an american, in europe is now decades that it all is standard!
There're people happy with their TOL export Mieles and Bosch you'll say... well..not my uncles with their 900 bucks bosch anyway, and how does a Miele or Bosch cost???
Installation matter:
Yes, I can't really say that for an european the way dishwashers are installed in the US is weird! It is.
But it has it's reasons why.
Always remember that in the US the dishwasher "came" or became common in homes earlier than it did in generally in europe.
The US have much an earlier and much more commonnes of kitchen in blocks, customed kitchens and built in appliances than europe, and that's historically so.
So for built in or permanent installation there's just another attitude, and that is meant to be permament, unlike in Europe was.
That meant that while in Europe getting a dishwasher meant just put it under something or along other kitchen appliances, in the US it was just something you did put there and secured it.
Not a case in the US there's the distinction among portable dishwashers you'd connect and take away and permanent ones, this was for those not having built in, where in europe is such a thing? Nowhere! All dishwashers had to be sort of mobile for these reasons! So they were kind of hybrid in this sense and so remained.
In the US not.
Then of course comes funny exagerations such as those drain valves, building codes etc..but that's California and we now know US have a huge problem of nanny statism and this kind of laughable silly crap ....California more than other states.
About front servicing.
Now....there's not a most logical way of doing things, I see both the benefits of front servicing as well as being able to take the whole thing out, even though removing the pump from inside I think it's easier and avoid much troubles and damages to the machine paint etc...maybe also quicker than for european models where you have to open it...
But remember that was for specific reasons..copper pipes last longer, no need to change, no plugs that burns..etc..there is more like a permanent appliance mindset for built in, no need to move for clean, no stuff dropping behind etc..in europe instead there was and there still is another attitude a kind of mix for both portable and built in concepts.
I'd love to learn why it's simpler over there.
