Right, in the event the heater gave out. Otherwise the machine would run forever.
With residual heat from the main wash and water heating going on before and/or after the thermal hold those 30 minutes are more than enough time to achieve 140*F.
Why Has Whirlpool Never Sold a BOL Power Clean Module?
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Right, in the event the heater gave out. Otherwise the machine would run forever.
With residual heat from the main wash and water heating going on before and/or after the thermal hold those 30 minutes are more than enough time to achieve 140*F.
You’re contradicting yourself again.
YOU said the thermal holds can’t be overridden. When they in fact can be via a time out.
The heaters will not heat in that time frame if the fill charge is too cold. It yields depending on a hot tap fill in US households.
Indeed. However, eventually, all the water gets filtered through and its associated particles.
If you're getting periodic yibbles, might have an issue with the machine.
At the cost of a long cycle. At best. No thanks.
The real credit belongs to Maytag. If you want true 100% filtration, go with a Maytag Jet Clean. You can tell, because those spray arm holes won't clog. Not that they clog on the Power Clean.
Brown stuff on the screen? No thanks. A real filter gets hit with a continuous powerful spray from underneath the wash arm. Or in the case of Jet-Clean, a wall of four powerful sheets of water 100 times a minute.
No issues whatsoever. It’s running as designed. It simply cannot filter 100%. It only does fractional filtering. It will run a THEORETICAL full amount of the water volume at a rate of 2x a minute through the filter.
But that’s not reality.
Nope, false, they can not be over ridden. Whether you select Normal, Heavy, Light , Pots and Pans, no options, ect the thermal hold will always commence and not advance until either the target temperature is reached or 25-40 minutes have elapsed. Which ever comes first. But the user can not skip the thermal hold altogether. Whirlpool made sure of that.
Based on cycles and options the user can skip the pre-wash thermal hold, the main wash thermal hold, but not the final rinse thermal hold in most cycles.
Whirlpool knows you need a hot final rinse to get the job done and get good drying results by starting off with a known, stable temperature when entering the dry period.
Power Cleans are meant to be connected to the hot water line and not the cold. In Europe it tends to be the opposite. They have machines that require a cold connection.
Right. If you run a fraction of water through the filter, the odds go up that in some point time all of the water molecules will have passed through the fine filter mesh.
Right, though I'd rather use a dishwasher by pressing a few buttons instead of manually riding it through service mode. Or turning the dial beyond the start point on an EM model. At that point your dishwasher is no longer automatic.
Simple is better. Less labor is better.
lavamat_jon
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That is quite frankly disgusting, and not reflective of an average dishwasher with a filter. Not even the very neglected dishwasher of my family member was that bad when I used it.
If you choose to believe filter dishwashers don’t work, or simply prefer one with a macerator that’s absolutely fine - but one can’t deny that the system works quite fine for me, friends and family, other European members on here, and millions of other households outside America, and no doubt within too.
BTW - our dishwashers can be connected to hot water, however they are so water efficient nowadays that by the time the combi boiler has initialised and heated up, in most cases only the lukewarm (at best) water resting in the pipes is used - by the time hot water reaches the machine the fill cycle has long been and gone. In some rare installations with solar hot water or pressurised hot water systems it would be somewhat useful, but more often than not it isn’t worth the bother in normal installations without wasting water by purging the system.
As I said, it works because people are pre-rinsing. It works because people are willing to put up with a 3 hour cycles. It works with soup, bread and salad diets- vs a pan a layer of baked on egg.
With the Whirlpool Power Clean Module you could truly load with minimal prep and have everything done in 1 hour and the machine would never stink. have build up, ect. Broiler pans, frying pans, baked on casseroles, batter bowls, choppers, dishes, ect all come out clean and nothing left behind in the machine.
The Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module also works with lukewarm water. They do thermal holds until the right temperature is reached and then shut the heater off if 140*F (or another temp based on the cycle like sani rinse ect) is reached so that excessive energy is not used. High end models had a pressure switch which would determine if a short cycle or a longer cycle with more water change outs was needed.
I get that your filters are staying clean, but for many Americans filters are getting stinky/dirty and food remains behind on the grates without pre-rinsing.
That's gross, I would be checking the plumbing of the waste pipe, because that looks like the aftermath of back syphoning of dirty wastewater from a sink.
lavamat_jon
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Again - people don’t pre rinse here, it’s of the exception rather than the norm if they do and that’s born out of misinformation. People stack as they go and then turn on the machine when it’s full. The only pre rinsing that happens in our house is from the dog who tries to stick her nose in while we are loading the dishwasher
.Comes across as quite assumptive with what you think we eat here. I take it you’ve never made a traditional English Sunday roast and tried to get the roasting pan or Yorkshire pudding tin/mixing bowl clean. I do a lot of baking, all my own bread, I food prep a lot of casseroles and tomato based dishes (chilli etc.). My partner cooks a lot of Asian dishes, I cook a lot of Italian dishes (pasta bake, lasagne etc), we often have a lot of scrambled egg etc so we are no stranger to food soiling. We certainly don’t just eat soup and salad, perhaps my waistline would be better if we did
.Like I said before, if I want a quicker cycle I can have that done in just over an hour at the expense of slightly more water and energy. But I’m really not bothered about the cycle times as it tends to go on overnight and I will unload it in the morning, all I have to “put up” with is pressing the start button and going about my day (or night), and come back to unload at a time there convenient to me. The whole point of a dishwasher (and other appliances) is that they do the work for you in the background while you can get on with your day elsewhere. I really don’t understand the hurry or the rush for it to be done as quickly as possible everytime unless you are entertaining.
Can confirm what you say Chet as I'm sure anyone who has ever had a WP power clean dishwasher can attest to. I had my portable Whirlpool quiet wash for 30 years and not once... and I mean not once has the machine ever left any bits on the grate or the bottom of the tub. I sprayed very lightly and I didn't rerinse. Never took a dirty dish out of the bottom of that machine. Never had any foul orders or stench.
My current China pride GE occasionally gets weird smells in it because of the sitting water and you have to be more diligent of scraping off dishes and getting rid of stuff like tomato sauce, otherwise the filter clogs easily. The power clean would handle it like nothing ever entered into it.
We are definitely going backwards by adopting filters you have to clean yourself in a dishwasher. Oh I forgot. That's right. We have to save the planet.
vacerator
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Agiflow, do you have the newer GE dishwasher that is the Haier design? The other GE models have nothing in common with it. China Pride? Haier lets GE run the company the same way as Volvo is operated in Sweden.Can confirm what you say Chet as I'm sure anyone who has ever had a WP power clean dishwasher can attest to. I had my portable Whirlpool quiet wash for 30 years and not once... and I mean not once has the machine ever left any bits on the grate or the bottom of the tub. I sprayed very lightly and I didn't rerinse. Never took a dirty dish out of the bottom of that machine. Never had any foul orders or stench.
My current China pride GE occasionally gets weird smells in it because of the sitting water and you have to be more diligent of scraping off dishes and getting rid of stuff like tomato sauce, otherwise the filter clogs easily. The power clean would handle it like nothing ever entered into it.
We are definitely going backwards by adopting filters you have to clean yourself in a dishwasher. Oh I forgot. That's right. We have to save the planet.
The dishwasher with the gross filter is very typical because people don’t know how to use dishwashers. We see it fairly frequently.
This comes from using the one hour cycle that has no heat. It also is from using cheap Eco detergent that do not work, and we constantly see people who literally throw the detergent in The dishwasher rather than putting it in the dispenser which further ruins performance there’s a lot of idiots out there that’s for sure.
American dishwashers are the end of the world for their great performance while probably half the people in the US do prerinse they’ve always done it. They don’t understand how machines work they don’t understand that your dishes actually get cleaner if you put them in dirtier
Maytag jet, clean dishwashers constantly had clogged wash arms little bit of plastic things go right around that filter system. It was not that great a system. It was one of the most frequent service calls. We did on the plastic tub jet clean Maytag.
Filters in modern dishwashers do not accumulate soil if the dishwasher is being used properly filter will self clean. They need very little if any cleaning in the life of the dishwasher.
That said the best system in the world currently is the self cleaning micro screen filter system that KitchenAid and Maytag using their premium dishwashers. It has a much finer filter than any removable filter and since it’s spinning at 3400 RPMs and has two wiper veins on it, it never clogs and never needs any cleaning.
The system also uses the most powerful motor and most durable type of motor of any dishwasher sold in the world right now.
This new filter wash system that whirlpool’s been using for about 10 years on their premium machines is an engineering masterpiece easily as great as the power clean system while using a lot less power it filters far better than the power clean systems ever did. And only whirlpool builds it more proof of their continuing best appliance engineering in the world.
John L
This comes from using the one hour cycle that has no heat. It also is from using cheap Eco detergent that do not work, and we constantly see people who literally throw the detergent in The dishwasher rather than putting it in the dispenser which further ruins performance there’s a lot of idiots out there that’s for sure.
American dishwashers are the end of the world for their great performance while probably half the people in the US do prerinse they’ve always done it. They don’t understand how machines work they don’t understand that your dishes actually get cleaner if you put them in dirtier
Maytag jet, clean dishwashers constantly had clogged wash arms little bit of plastic things go right around that filter system. It was not that great a system. It was one of the most frequent service calls. We did on the plastic tub jet clean Maytag.
Filters in modern dishwashers do not accumulate soil if the dishwasher is being used properly filter will self clean. They need very little if any cleaning in the life of the dishwasher.
That said the best system in the world currently is the self cleaning micro screen filter system that KitchenAid and Maytag using their premium dishwashers. It has a much finer filter than any removable filter and since it’s spinning at 3400 RPMs and has two wiper veins on it, it never clogs and never needs any cleaning.
The system also uses the most powerful motor and most durable type of motor of any dishwasher sold in the world right now.
This new filter wash system that whirlpool’s been using for about 10 years on their premium machines is an engineering masterpiece easily as great as the power clean system while using a lot less power it filters far better than the power clean systems ever did. And only whirlpool builds it more proof of their continuing best appliance engineering in the world.
John L
lavamat_jon
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Whatever your opinion on appliances is and where they’re made, there’s absolutely no need to describe them in a racist manner.
Oh I forgot. That's right. We have to save the planet.
And yes, without opening a can of worms, as much as some deny it we do need to be kinder to the planet whether we like it or not.
vacerator
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Absolutely Lavamat! Most in Europe get it. I know an artist in Norway who is very talented, a senior, and still teaches. However, he is way too far the other way in this, and other ways. I had to unfollow when I saw he liked a racist, etc. post. I explained why beforehand telling him why and that he doesn't live in the USA and doesn't know why we have so much division.
Yes my machine was built in China. It doesn't look like any of the other ge's that are sold in this country. It's clear they were trying to emulate Bosch by the design of the spray arms they used over 10 years ago. GE as an appliance company is not GE anymore.
Unfortunately I needed a dishwasher or I should say wanted a dishwasher and didn't want to wait to get a Whirlpool portable that was about $300 more and that was having supply issues.
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Can confirm what you say Chet as I'm sure anyone who has ever had a WP power clean dishwasher can attest to. I had my portable Whirlpool quiet wash for 30 years and not once... and I mean not once has the machine ever left any bits on the grate or the bottom of the tub. I sprayed very lightly and I didn't rerinse. Never took a dirty dish out of the bottom of that machine. Never had any foul orders or stench.
My current China pride GE occasionally gets weird smells in it because of the sitting water and you have to be more diligent of scraping off dishes and getting rid of stuff like tomato sauce, otherwise the filter clogs easily. The power clean would handle it like nothing ever entered into it.
We are definitely going backwards by adopting filters you have to clean yourself in a dishwasher. Oh I forgot. That's right. We have to save the planet.
This right here was and is the experience of most Americans who did not pre-rinse with a Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module who then switched to a tall tub. I am glad you can see the two for what they are.
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