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DAA do recirculate clothes efficiently. However, I need to see how my clothes get washed. DAA will have problems with large piece of clothing. I remember opening the lid (yes, I had to bypass it) to see how my winter coat was getting washed. The coat was buttoned and zipped and it lay the way I put it in the machine for the entire wash... with one sleeve filled with air out of the water. It never turned over as it could never pull the coat down in the water. DAA were introduced first in laundromat to compensate for people overfilling the machines (less strain on trans/motor).

SQ has the same type agitator (minus the flex vane) that my mom used to have on her late 60's washer. If the largest manufacturer of washing machines still use this type of agitator... It's because it is efficient as it will pull everything down in the water.

Some will say it ruins clothes. I say... Buy quality clothes. I don't remember anybody complaining in the 70's, 80's or 90's.
 
@agiflow: I agree. Speed Queen knows what customers want. They knew what I wanted and then some. I have NOT used a BETTER washer outside of two vintage machines (Supersurgilator belt drive and 1970's Maytag Helical) and if they put a $2000 price tag on my machine I still would have bought it. In fact I am even musing with the idea of buying a TL SQ now for the feature. I have no doubt Speed Queen will make a serious effort despite the restricted water usage.

I agree that GE and Whirlpool have lost their way, but in all fairness part of that comes from energy regs. With restricted water use there is only so much you can do- you practically need to re-invent the top washer. Manufacturers wish they did not have to go that route.

But going back to the agi- if thats it then I have a feeling SQ will use those veins to "stir" the clothes; intermittent pules in between stirring to roll them over, trying to mimick a front load but on a vertical scale. I have to admit thats very simple yet ingenious. In that case I can certainly see the need for a VFD.
 
And I forgot to address this:

"Lid locks are cheaper then brakes, yes. The only way to stop a 700rpm drum in seconds notice is a heavy duty break.
Given that there is no use in opening the lid while the spinning is going (can't add laundry during a spin, can you), locking the lid while spinning is far more economical then the breaks."

Only way? Then how did a Hydrowave brake without an actually brake assembly? I have a feeling people are selectively reading my posts :P
 
The Millennials and Generation Z'ers I work with are bright, creative, enterprising, and work smarter rather than harder. Their priorities are sometimes as different from mine (born 1959) as my sister's (born 1947) were from our parents' (born 1914 and 1921). And that's as it should be. Any group that isn't different enough to spark the ire of the ones who came before them isn't doing its job.👍
 
"Does the SCAW2GEN requires to be connected to the power outlet for use? If not, why doesn't it come with internal batteries to save electricity? The same question with the hoses, do I really need to connect the fill and drain hose to operate the equipment?"

Honestly i wanted to send a not-so-polite reply, but of course i would never do that. then I went to the customer profile and discovered she was born in 1999.

People nowadays are so dumb that think that if you use a battery it is saving electricity, and protecting the environment as the device is not plugged in "during" the use.

They don't really realize that a battery is just a "container" for electricity and you need to "fill that container". Protect the environment, with batteries? Oi? Hola? Hello?

About the hoses.... What the f-word? What is the washer going to do? take water from the air and then evaporate the water back to the air?

And the other email.... why rinse? with the technology we have nowadays (because everything pre 2000 is outdated and super obsolete and miraculously we started doing witchcraft and magic just like Harry Potter exactly on jan 1st 2000) washers should wash.

I won't mention the literally hundreds of emails from people that saw a machine (on Facebook) that folds the clothes and they ask us to make something similar and cheaper.

They literally want a machine that the user flip the dirty laundry basket in it and the washer will sort, wash dry, iron, forld and put the clothes in the closet. And of course controlled by an app in their iPhones.

Talkign about apps.... Yes, some customers ask us why we don't make a spin dryer with an app, because it would be EASIER to operate if it could be controlled by their smartphones.

What can be easier than close the lid to start and open the lid to stop? We even got rid of the timer because of that... no locks, not switches, not buttons... nothing. literally just lower the lid to start a spin dryer and lift it to stop.

Again, back to the millennials... I even posted here "ipsis litteris" a phone call i received from a customer. I listened to the call recording while typing the conversation here at AWO. Why user manuals? Why shipping brackets to protect the product during shipping? Millennials complain even for that! because cutting 2 zip ties is so "last century".

Should i start designing a spin dryer that comes in a box like those life rafts? you just jerk a cord and the box opens itself, the spin dryer goes jumping to it's installation place, the power plug finds the outlet and plugs itself then two mechanical arms will collect the clothes and put them in the drum? Oh, and the box and shipping material will also fold itself as compact as possible and then walk to the curb and jump in the dumpster.

Why user manuals? Believe it or not the same customer felt OFFENDED because of a user manual. again the same excuse starting with "this is 2017". Who needs a user manual in 2017? Of course we know how to do everything, we're smarter than a spin dryer, we don't need to read the manual and if something goes wrong because we did something that we shouldn't do we can simply sue the manufacturer. It's easier, and more profitable than reading a manual.

So yes, millennials are the disaster in our lives. Some years ago, because of them we (designers and engineers) had to run the extra mile to offer more technology. Now we were literally forced to dumb down our products. We could and we can do wonders, we are creative enough to "create", but we can't do that because this F-word generation will continue lazy and will continue expecting more and will sue us as never before.

mid 80s to mid 90's one would use common sense and sue a manufacturer IF we did something really wrong that resulted in losses (from a damaged shirt to a personal injury). For example suing a manufacturer because of a dog or a cat that was killed or injured because it was "washed" in a washer was unthinkable. If a "client" looked for an attorney, much before the process start, the first thing the attorney would say is "i won't get your case because you will never win, that's stupid"

Nowadays, we have to put stickers "do not spin dry dogs, cats, birds, etc..." and we could be still sued and we would have a super hard time explaining to the judge that a washing machine is made to wash clothes, not pets, the instructions are very clear on the user manual and we also put stickers, just in case, on the product lid.

The new sticker we added this week (9th sticker) was "do not remove stickers before reading and understanding them" because the new reason used by attorneys is that their clients didn't know they should read the safety stickers or it wasn't clear that that instruction was really serious.

For this same reason we find peanut bags with a huge alert "contains peanuts" or egg gartons saying "contains eggs" or milk gallons saying "contains milk".

Milleninals don't know knives cut... next time you go to a store, just go to the cutlery aisle and start reading the boxes... "knifes are sharp and can cause injuries - they can cut!" WOW, really? I didn't know knives cut.... did they start making knives that cut recently? Impressive!
 
I too, am fed up!

As someone born in the year 2000 and who attends high school, I wholeheartedly agree with your comments.

My generation is a lump of lazy, inpatient, entitled, know-it-alls. Why do you think that shipping companies now feel the need to put their database online so that impatient people can stare at it, no matter how long one stares it the tracking data, the item isn't coming any sooner. I also remember seeing something about landlords coming for a 6 month inspection and finding half the light bulbs burnt out and not replaced because their millenial tennents don't know how to replace them or care to learn.(LEFTY Loosy, RIGHTY Tighty!!!) I think part of the problem lies in the lack of critical thinking taught by parents and educators as well as the fact that math and science now outweigh history as a component of schooling. Historical education teaches common sense and practical knowledge, math and science seldom do.

People of my generation are often more swayed by emotion than logic and facts by comparison to previous generations.

As I have mentioned many times, I am autistic, I'm rather proud of that fact because I look around myself and think, "That's supposed to be normal, thank God I'm not." While others in my generation cannot swap a light bulb, I am rebuilding a carburetor on a late 1960s Toro Power-Handle with Snowhound 20" attachment. By these standards, who really are the crazy ones?
 
If you're putting stickers on products that say "Do not spin dry dogs, cats, birds..." then your problem is the legal system. An element of stupidity has inhabited any group or generation you'd care to name. For every email you receive that bitches about having to cut two zip-ties, there are many you don't hear from who understand why the zip-ties need to be there.

"People of my generation are often more swayed by emotion than logic and facts by comparison to previous generations." This is actually far more true of Baby Boomers than Generation Z.

 

Certainly we can find common ground in this: Disdain for the next generation has always existed.

 

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Oh, and of course, with bells and whistles. Because nowadays it has to beep, it has to have several fancy names like "tru something" "power whatever" or a series or letters technology".

Add the words Professional, Commercial or Turbo, you sell 50% more.

If it cleans, that's a different story. who cares about that anyway?

And guess what... if you don't do "crap", your competitors will take you out of the market.

We have a few months before we discover what is Speed Queen really doing, but again, don't be surprised if the new model is zillions of times worse than the 2017 models.
 
<p>Thomas: Appending meaningless, fancy names or features to products is not a 'nowadays' trend.  One need only view the vintage ads in POD to see this has always been the case.  The "bullshit factor" has existed since the advent of marketing; only the words have changed/evolved.  Fifty years ago, manufacturers sought to increase sales by using words like 'scientific' or calling their product 'Lady Kenmore' or 'Flair Custom Imperial.' Today, the buzzwords are (surprise, surprise) 'Turbo' and 'iWhatever.'[this post was last edited: 10/12/2017-03:05]
 
Could be, time will tell, but you have to remember there is only so much you can do around a concept designed around lots of water. I have a feeling in the least the longevity aspect will remain. I also hope Speed Queen makes their new machines more service friendly. In the current Speed Queens if you loose the transmission or bearings you basically have to scrap the whole machine. Its a nightmare to change out. But if SQ comes out with something like Whirlpool did, I can picture them winning over many dealers.

And yahhh, I do agree that a lot of machines on the market are nothing but a bunch of gimmicks, chimes and glossy appeal. But at the same time remember that their are plenty of folks buying basic Whirlpool washers who have the means to buy otherwise, so not everyone is falling for it like they used to.

If Speed Queen plays this right, they could win A LOT of customers on many levels. The longevity aspect might actually force Whirlpool to do extended warranties or make more durable machines. And oh- Its just a wish, but if president Trump could visit Alliance in Ripon Wisconsin for being American made... :) Sales will absolutely sky rocket; with GE, Whirlpool and others making note.

It might be a dream, but I long for the day when I can set foot on the Sears, JCPenney or Home Depot sales floor and purchase a one-knob wonder from any manufacturer that will last 30+ years, 5 year unlimited warranty, stainless steal wash basket & steel outer tub, all metal parts, easy service and no lid-lock.

We can make laundry great again!!!!!!!!!!!! (A wish hoping to come true)
 
re crap'

I don't share the pessimistic view that 'thomas' has stated. It has been a truism since the beginning of the last century for people to bemoan the shift of various industries with the demands of the times, and the advance of technology. There was a great movement, familiar to we who are car lovers, to try and bring back the Model T all the way up to WW II. It was simple, very sturdy, made of high-quality materials, and put the world on four wheels. However, it also was very inefficient with its use of gas and oil, required massive amounts of maintenance, was uncomfortable, and wasn't suited for the highways we were building.

I see this industry in the same position that our car industry was in the 70's. Few who know would dispute that that decade was awful for cars in this country, due to demands for greater safety and particularly greater economy. The cars of that decade were characterized by a certain level of unreliability, lack of durability, problems with running, etc. I see this industry in that time.

We may complain about our washers and dryers not matching the simple reliability of those of a half-century ago; having bought my first set 40 years ago, I sure wish I had it back, avocado color and all. However, realistically we also know that the world is growing not only more crowded but more prosperous--and more people can afford home laundry. The efficiency level of our old machines wasn't good enough for today's world, and we should all realize it. I truly believe that in a decade or less, machines like the TL Speed Queen that I just bought will be gone, consigned to collectors' basements and ersatz museums. We will see much improved front loading washers--and I'm confident that detergents will improve also.

In the meantime, those who build a quality product may not command the majority of the market, but they will have a place. I need a new dishwasher right now and I sure wish there was an equivalent to my old Hobart/KA Superba of 35 years ago. However, it used buckets of water and today's manufacturers are being challenged, as with laundry, to clean with next to no water. In the meantime, I keep washing my dishes by hand...
 
warranties?

Opening up the warranties, it appears that there is a 10 year warranty on the drive motor and the wash basket. I'm no washer guy, but looking on this site it doesn't appear that either of these kills washers as a rule. It appears to be seals, brakes, clutches, transmissions, etc. Furthermore, the warranties for these machines states, in the small print, that the warranted items are only covered for defects present at the time at the machine was purchased. How does one prove that? It states, of course, that it is Maytag's discretion whether such a condition existed.

I applaud the fact that at least some of their washers' parts are covered for more than a year or so, but unless prospective buyers truly read the warranty (which few do) they may be bitterly disappointed further down the road.
 
Wow ! Magic Clean are these the newest Maytags ? I will have to go to a Sears today to see these for myself if they have them.

I can't tell from the picture though,..is the agitator a true dual action ? or is it one piece ? 5 yr. parts and labor on the entire machine ?

Good for Whirlpool. I hope they get serious about building well built machines like they used to. I and i know most others don't want to see our last 2 american washer makers go under.[this post was last edited: 10/12/2017-10:18]
 
5 Years Parts and Labor

Is a great warranty on a home washer, and I give MT credit for responding to the heavy challenge that SQ is causing MT.

 

WP-MT should offer a standard 5 Y P&L warranty on ALL W&Ds costing over $800 if they really want to respond to SQs challenge.

 

I feel that is time for a major manufacturer like WP to launch a campaign emphasizing quality home appliances like WP did in the early 70s, doing so is the only way WP can stand up to the on slot of foreign appliances, WP has the infrastructure to do this.

 

More than anything else consumers want their major appliances to work and not need expensive early repairs and replacement.

 

John L.
 
John I couldn't agree more . Whirlpool was a juggernaut from the beginning of the automatic washer boom. They said as early as 1950- "The world's largest manufacturer of washers and dryers"- or very close to that.

They should position Maytag like they did with Kitchen aid washers and dryers. They certainly have the know how and experience to build the highest quality appliances. COME ON WHIRLPOOL! 😃

Magic Clean thanks for the info . One more question if I may. Will we be seeing more models from Maytag or Whirlpool with these kinds of warranties ? Because if so, I would love to come back to their top load laundry offerings.
 
johnrk

Actually back in the day, speed queen used to give you a lifetime warranty on the stainless steel tub on the washer. Wasn't much good, considering that wasn't what failed when problems arose. It also did not include the pot metal insert in the middle of the tub which housed the agitator tube and drive. All the old speed queen stainless steel tubs were perfect when the machines were junked in the first few years.
 
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I saw a new SQ commercial TL machine in a nice gray color...if I find the pic I'll post it.

Could it be, that depending on local conditions: water/user/settings/detergent/soil level omfg so many variables...that a person may prefer a spin drain to a neutral, or vice-versa?

Hard tellin' not knowin'...but I do believe SQ is the favorite brand to chat about 'round here regardless.

Craigslist ad copy:

NEW....NEW....NEW
(2) ONLY two months NEW Primus/ Speed Queen Top-Load washers.
3- year factory warranty.
New beautiful Gray color.
Simple user-friendly MDC board.
Large-capacity coin boxes included.
$800 each
(My cost was $965).
Installed July 2nd, 2017, removed August 25th.
(Decided to install larger washers instead)
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