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Shane:

First and foremost, I agree with you 100% on the subject of Nancy Pelosi. Voters put her in office in an effort to get Bush's impeachment rolling, and she has resisted fulfilling that mandate every way she knows how, and oy, does she know how. I hope she has a lot of projects around her home waiting for her, because she's going to need something to keep her busy after the next mid-terms.

Bush's AIDS initiative in Africa is not really a benefit to gays. First, AIDS transmission on that continent is largely heterosexual. Second, it does nothing for American AIDS sufferers, who have seen programmes and services cut during the past eight years. Also, while it is definitely good that Bush did something constructive during his two terms, I think the bad outweighs it by a pretty broad margin. After all, the Volkswagen Beetle was the result of a design programme begun and funded by Adolf Hitler. What is Hitler remembered for? Not the car, that's for sure.

I'm glad you see Obama for the politician he is, because a lot of people don't. There's a sort of Messianic fervour among many of his followers. He's going to have to cut deals and do business like every politician before him, and that's already disappointing many people. Politicians are not nice people, plain and simple. I've long said that anyone who has the outsized ego and talent for machinations necessary to run for President should not be allowed anywhere near the job.

But of the two we've got running, I do think Obama the lesser of two evils, and if you're thinking that it's a damned shame our electoral process has come to that, I could not agree with you more.
 
Perhaps you are not a racist Shane, but many Hillary supporters that now support McCane are racist. The fact that the very first thing you posted is your claim that you are not racist does leave one to wonder.

Personally, I could care less if you are racist or not. I could not care less who you vote for either.Everyone has their own choice. I just think it is odd that you jump at the chance to express your intense dislike for Obama at every chance you have. And then you go on to post how much you are supporting McCain after Hillary lost her chance. Most people do not understand the reasoning behind this. After all, Hillary and Obama are much closer on the same issues than Hillary and McCain are. So whatever, do whatever you like.It is your right. But do not expect people here to believe that you are not a sore looser, or perhaps even racist. Most I have spoke with feel the same of all the people that went from supporting Hillary to McCain, and then keep going on and on about it.
 
I was talking to my cousin in Arkansas the other night. She was talking politics. I always thought she was a Republican. She said "No, Her husband was the Republican." "She was a Yellow Dog Democrat."

I said I wasn't familiar with that term,
She said it's like this, if there were only a Republican and a Yellow Dog running for office, I would vote for the Yellow Dog.
 
I usually loathe getting involved in political discussions online, but for the life of me I do not understand why some Hillary supporters would not support Obama.

Sure, he is not perfect...but who is?

If McCain wins I fear for my country, I really...really do...
 
Rick~

To say that many Hillary supporters who now support McCain are racist is a bit over the top don't ya think? Granted, some might be, but the people that I know, who supported Hillary and now support McCain, care about experience and judgment, plain and simple. On a personal level, I don't feel comfortable voting for a nominee that has 3.5 years in the Senate to lead our nation.

Obama is vulnerable and the polls show it. 2 new polls came out today, one showing McCain leading and the other showing a tie. Obviously many Americans have doubts about Obama because of his questionable ties, (Wright,Ayers,Rezko) and lack of political experience.

Given all the money he has raised and the media's overwhelming support, he should have the wind at his back, and he doesn't.

Now, with that being said, it was a great thing to see the nomination of an African American by a major political party. Progress is a great thing! Maybe one day, an openly gay man or woman could be nominated??

I still believe Hillary was the stronger candidate and in the end, I believe McCain is going to win.
 
Thanks rickr

you expressed very well something I also wondered about in that post. I would not pick Obama except he is the only real choice we have. I would prefer he have more experience but the things Shane pointed out about McCain are some of the reasons I don't like him. I believe it was a political choice for him to stay in the prison camp because his father was a Senator at the time and it would look like daddy pulled strings to get him out. I am over having the Vietnam era war mongers running things. That was another war we should not have been in. And if you want to talk about experience then McCain should darn well be able to use a computer, -to hear him say "I'm learning to log onto the internet by myself now"...does not inspire confidence. McCain = McSame.... as Bush.
 
While I voted for Hillary in primary mainly because she'd piss off the religious right more than Barack probably would, we now proudly have a big Obama lawn sign out in our front yard. The whole neighborhood has them and I have yet to see one McCain sign.

Unfortunately the RNC convention begins here next week, and that's an embarrassment to the Twin Cities in my opinion, but we'll take the money. I said at work today that the gay bars are gonna be extra fun next weekend with all the republicans here. That got a huge laugh, but unfortunately I wasn't kidding lol, they'll be away from home and you know what happens then. What happens in Minneapolis, stays in... It's going to be quite interesting around here over the course of next week.
 
"John McCain has proven that he is a leader throughout his military and political career."

Not really.

"As a Naval aviator, McCain flew 23 combat missions over Vietnam before he was shot down and captured as a POW. While a POW, McCain was given the choice to be released early but chose to stay because other American POWs had been held captive longer."

McCain lost five expensive military aircraft during his time in the military. Only one of those was lost in combat. Two were lost due to his incompetence. Another one to mechanical failure (engine flame out) and on deck accident (accidental detonation and fire). He's been described as an ok flyer, nothing special. McCain likely was given special treatment - both postive and negative - because his captors knew he was the son and grandson of US Navy admirals. But as Wesley Clark says, getting shot down and being a POW is not really connected with the qualifications one needs for the presidency.

"After 5 and a half years of captivity McCain was finally released and returned home. He recovered from his injuries and regained his flight status. Then he commanded one of the Navy's largest attack squadrons."

McCain commanded a training squadron, not an attack squadron. While he did improve its morale, this was through breaking Navy rules that forbid fraternization between officers and enlisted.

"In Congress, McCain has fought hard to eliminate pork barrel spending. He's challenged Republicans and Democrats to work together in Congress and has led by example in doing so."

Arizona is a relatively wealthy state in little need of special projects. Additionally, McCain has packed his campaign staff with Washington lobbyists. He was implicated in the Keating Five S&L scandal of the Eighties.

"John McCain has a long track record of working with members of both major political parties in Congress to craft and pass legislation that is in the country's best interests. Some people call him a maverick for breaking party lines and following an independent streak...I call him a true American. He understands that he's working for the American people and that's the kind of politician we need more of in Washington."

McCain's supposed independent streak is a myth. He's voted for Bush legislation 95% of the time. When he was fighting for the party nomination, he swore up and down how he supported Bush 100%.

"McCain was also right on the surge in Iraq. Whether you agree or disagree with the decision to invade Iraq, the fact is we're there. McCain has said since the beginning that we didn't have enough troops there to get the job done right. It took way too long, but President Bush finally realized this and sent more troops last year. The result has been a reduction in the level of violence and an opportunity for the necessary political changes to occur."

We still haven't seen the end of things in Iraq. McCain also said we'd be there for 100 years. He's made a joke out of our foreign policy by singing "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" at a townhall meeting.

"McCain is right on torture. If anyone is qualified to speak out about torture, it's John McCain. He was tortured for over 5 years while a POW in Vietnam and has sharply criticized the Bush administration for its use of water boarding and other torture techniques."

This is one area where McCain has dared to split with the Bush administration.

But there are too many disturbing facts about McCain for me to consider voting for him for president. Foremost is his hair-trigger temper and tendency to erupt in foul mouthed outbursts with his peers. I think he'd be a disaster as our head of state.
 
There might not be an RNC convention next week.~

If that hurricane heads towards New Orleans, I think it would be in poor taste to hold a convention given the poor response to Katrina 3 years ago.

Those poor people. My thoughts are with them and I hope they are spared.
 
Dan~

I will respond to Rich via email when I get the chance.
Since it seems you always have the need to be right,I am not going there with you.
 
oh, I am thicker than you will ever know..

LOL..but, you and I could really get in it.

I don't want this thread to get out of hand, mostly due in part out of respect for Robert.

I will follow up, I always do
 
McCain will win? Not if people do even the slightest bit of

You want to talk flip flopping?...Look no further than John McSame

McBush McSame is playing with fire by throwing around flip flop accusations. Republicans get all up in arms when Obama changes nuances of his position or words a statement differently. McCain has done complete 180's and changed his fundamental position on virtually every important issue for years...sometimes within the same interview or within the same few sentences.

Some McCain video flip flops:



"...McCain spins more than Linda Blair in The Exorcist" -->



War for oil opinion -->


Hamas negotiations --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0odMKvT9fk&feature=related

McCain vs. Himself --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&feature=related

Gay marriage --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeBw28tX5Nw

Afghanistan policy --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daO8e4y-RHU

GI Bill --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR3FjHIbe_s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzr3pdXqZ98

ANWR --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9QktuW7KM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_qZOjrxEMI&feature=related

bush tax cuts --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw

Campaign Finance Reform -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG2OMJLT5c4

WTF? -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_MrwkyGe1w&feature=related

Here is a short list of just some of McSame's flip flops. These are only the ones I could think of:

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.

8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.

16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

Domestic Policy

19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

22. He argued that the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

24. McCain is both for and against earmarks/pork barrel items for Arizona.

25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. before he supported it.

28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

Economic Policy

31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.

33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling; now he's against it.

40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to be voluntary.

42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't

Immigration Policy

44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

Politics and Associations

53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't.

54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the honorary co-chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.
 
And another thing!

62. McCain was quoted as stating that he believed to be considered "rich" in the U.S., an annual income of $5,000,000 and above would be considered rich. WTF??

63. The hype of the number of he and Cindy's homes has drawn much criticism and disgust from many, including Arizona's governor yesterday.

As Hillary said last night: "No How, No Way...No McCain!"
 
A conservative view of McCain

This was sent to me by one of my clients - a staunch Republican his entire life with the added comment that he has no intention of voting for this "silver-spoon-fed party doll so completely out of touch with the reality of Americans that he doesn't even deserve a second look." This person actually was contemplating voting for Hillary and now intends to cast his lifelong conservative vote for Obama.

1. He has a consistent pattern of shocking verbal abuse, including screaming profanities, against Senate Republican colleagues who oppose his bills in any way; and

2. He has exercised scandalously poor judgment by intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr. in the Savings and Loan Crisis of the 1980s; and

3. He has worked against the principles of the Republican Party, promoting greatly expanding federal regulatory authority in order to combat global warming in ways that would greatly burden the American economy, contrary to free market forces; and

4. He has fought the Republican Party to create the Patient’s Bill of Rights, which allowed the government to impose a set of burdensome mandates on insurance coverage; and

5. He has undermined the principles of a free market economy by voting for an amendment that would authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement price controls on prescription drugs under Medicare; and

6. He has worked against the Republican Party to make a mockery of the rule of law, promoting amnesty for 20 million illegal immigrants; and

7. He has voted to subvert American Sovereignty by granting consulting rights to Mexico concerning the erection of a southern border fence; and

8. He has undermined the Constitution and opposed the Constitutional duties of the Vice President to break a tie on judicial nominations; and

9. He has worked against Conservative principles, undermining the First Amendment by abridging the free speech of citizens partaking in the political process; and

10. He has consistently led efforts undermining Second Amendment rights by promoting bills which regulate all sales at gun shows; regulations which force gun-owners to purchase trigger locks, making their firearms useless for self-defense; regulations which restrict the legitimate transfer of firearms over the internet; and regulations which extend the restrictions of the Brady bill to pawn shops and gun repair shops; and

11. He has voted to use taxpayer funds to harvest stem cells from human embryos; and

12. He has refused to take immediate and direct action to protect the life of the unborn; he opposes the repeal of Roe v. Wade; and he opposes a constitutional amendment to protect all human life; and

13. He sponsored and voted for a 282% tax increase on cigarettes that would have unconstitutionally violated the First Amendment and increased the size of the federal bureaucracy exponentially by giving the FDA unrestricted control over nicotine; and

14. He supports raising Social Security taxes; and

15. He has broken with the Republican Party in strongly opposing President Bush’s tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. He also joined leading liberal senators in offering and voting for amendments designed to undermine the tax cuts.
 
Well now

Shane,

I must ask you for your citations of information.

When someone wants to proclaim to be the information desk I check that claim.

That is why an Archives is important and my republican boss is a B***ch and wants to shut us down. I suspect you would too.

If you cannot prove your sources then belly up.

Everybody here knows republicans are on a money grab for the rich.

And you do not have sources to back you up.

And God help America should the Democrats loose this election.

Your kind might just go the way of Louie the 16th.

And I would welcome that.

If you sorry a** republicans cannot see what the country is on the verge of then you deserve your fate.

Ok Keven, stirred things up enough this go round?

I believe that is your goal.

And you got me stirred.

Happy?

Now tell us, what side are you paid to work for?
 

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