Miele W3033 Washer / T8003 Dryer

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opps, the Brits still havent the 8 Kg model

... but we have it (W5983) :

http://www.mieleitalia.it/ProductSearch.asp?idProductGroup=101011011&idSerie=73&idmen=907

 

[chestermikeuk]

Coming to a home near you...Soon!!!

Oh Carlo, you are such a tease!!!...LOl, I hear they are on their way!!! my best seller at the moment is the W5740...classic & functional, and thank goodness they have brought out the matching Vented Dryer, the T8722, they also listened to customer & retailer feedback about the grey doored models and so we got the W1756 with its big chrome door!!!

 

[ronhic]

Size isn't everything...

...when it comes to actual capability of doing a good/excellent job on the wash....

These machines are rated in our market at 6.5kg (14lb) and are designed to be filled to capacity. That is right to the very top of the drum....

To put this into some perspective...

2 x Queen sized sheets
4 x pillow slips
1 x Queen size quilt cover.....

is NOT a capacity load in these machines.....

My mother had a 4.5kg (10lb) ASEA and washed for a family of 4 without any issues....

I can only say that you shouldn't be afraid to use the full capacity and capability of a Europeean machine. Having seen videos of American front load machines in action I am always amazed at how underloaded they are given the size of them....

If you're concerned about if a Euro sized machine will suit, ask a retailer of Bosch/Miele/Asko if you can bring a basket of CLEAN laundry in one afternoon or morning (near close/open) to load a machine with what you would normally consider a 'full' load....just remember there is a method to load just like a top loader (where you 'drop')...don't 'scrunch' or 'ball' but rather 'lie' them in. I grab shirts, tracks and jeans around the middle and put them im 'folded' if that makes sense...keep loading until you can just get your hand up over the top of the load....or load till it is really full (and the drum moves front to rear as you try to put things in) and take a heavy shirt out...

That will be close to a capacity load in a European machine.....

 

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teasing again ...

Mike,
why HA toploaders don't catch in UK ?
Elux, Whirlpool, BSH, Merloni and Miele don't export them there ... just Candy does ? I saw in your website a Hoover HA TL

http://www.thewashingmachineplace.co.uk/productCategory.aspx?product.id=108&t.tag=Nextra HNT6414 Hoover Top Loaders & Heavy Duty

 

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Underloaded FLs in the US ?

Chris,
that makes sense with our machines whose wash bath is *at least* half an hour long....

But if I think of those american E'lux with extremly low water levels .. their wash part of the cycle is max 21 minutes long ... well I guess I'd underload them too. A full load (as we mean it) takes 5 or even 10 minutes to saturate . Not a case in "our" machines the quick 30 mins cycle is made for very small loads only.

For real full loads I'd always push "Extended" in the US mieles

Ironically the 220 Volt version of the Affinity sold here takes forever (3 hours !!) to complete a cotton 60°C cycle

 

[vacfanatic]

Shipping Struts

I thought I would share what the Miele shipping struts look like. They are very heavy steel, which could handily be used for a weapon if anyone tries to steal the new baby. LOL. I cleaned all the much off of them and took some pictures, then placed them in their respective holders on the back of the machine. Can't lose them this way!

Andrew

 

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[mielabor]

Interesting to see that the transport rods haven't changed since I bought my Miele W765 in 1985.

The provision for storing them on the backside is new for me.

 

[nclh77]

Very nice thread and thanx for putting in the time.

I watched your videos. I did notice a lot of suds, I never get that close in my LG when using the recommended amount.

The water level in your Meile seems the same as my LG with permanent press and the extra water button pushed. What I did notice was a lack of "pause" time to allow the water to soak thru the cloths. Your machine seems to be always spinning, ergo I think that may be creating more suds than my LG.

Once again, thanx for one of the best washing machine threads I have ever seen.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Congrats on the 3033... tis basically the American version of the UK model W2652 I own. 70*C is still a very reasonable temp, I wouldn't worry too much about it as you will very rarely need above 60 degrees/140*F anyway.

nclh77... in terms of water soaking through the clothes, that is actually why the drum tumbles in such a way. It will start off slowly to allow water to be plunged and squeezed through the load, speeds up to the distribution tumble to agitate and force water and detergent through the fibres, slows down again to squeeze and plunge the load, and then reverses. Although this action only takes place for the first part of the wash cycle - the last portion of the cycle, at least on the EU machines, is standard 55rpm tumbling backwards and forwards, with a couple seconds pause in between. You are right though in that this action is what causes a lot more sudsing; in fact I've found you don't need that much detergent compared to other frontloaders thanks to the distributing portion of the tumbles.

Jon =)

 

[nclh77]

lavamat_jon, interesting choices the manufacturers are making. My LG never spins the cloths like the Miele. It will spin maybe three times in one direction rather slowly, then pause for a while to let the water flow thru the cloths, then spin the other direction a few times, then pause. It does this for the entire wash cycle. I had a Siemens in Germany which would fill to 1/3 of the window and spin constantly with no pause. I think because of the amount of water in it, I never had any sudsing issue with it. May be tough to empirically say which method actually cleans the best.

 

[appnut]

NCLH77, welcome from another Texan.

 

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hi nclh77,

I guess your Siemens was a very old machine that uses high levels even in the regular cycle and you were in a place with very hard water.

High water level matched with a intensive tumbling cadence is usually a sudsdmaker with medium hard water and really a disaster with soft water. Delicate (hi level) cycles have slow motion not only to be gentle but also to control suds

Here we've some places having very soft water. I remember several years ago there was no chance to avoid oversudsing with those high water level machines in those places

Still have one of these old water hogs in the garage (it's a Zerowatt) These machines aren't able to wash properly unless they are really full loaded. partial loads tend to roll rather than tumbling. This is the reason for vintage mieles used Hi levels in every part of the cycle except in the main wash. the low level enhances the tumbling action and controls suds. Too much suds reduces cleaning performance in normal cycles as it has a cushioning effect (gentler wash action with rolling and no tumbling)

 

[bernina]

what a great machine

hi, Andrew, Congratulations on your new 3033!

You said" after the initial sanitize cycle the machine requires to remove it's spin lock, I decided to do a huge load of towels to help clean out the drum further. Not sure how sudsy it would get, I just used the manufacturer recommendation on the Tide TotalCare to line 2 for a large load. I did sudslock, but line 1 would probably have been about right for the load size.

Do you mind telling me, what this "spin lock" is?

and how did you know you had "suds lock" and what did you do to fix it?

I'm a lurker in this forum... am in the market for a 3033, too. And have been researching as much as I can.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you sharing your updates! Thanks!

 

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spin "lock"

Hi Bernina,

since miele washers have the ball valve between tub an drain pump, their manuals recommend to run a 140°F cotton empty cycle not only to clean the tub from cutting oils but also as a sort of initial set-up for sensors. They say the machine can spin just after this "welcome" cycle is done.

Indeed I believe this has more to do with the initial activation the "eco ball-valve" . The drain pump moves water to the drain hose and to a small tank behind the detergent drawer. When the pump stops the water in the tank goes back to te pump towards the tub. This way the ball in the valve starts floating and shuts the valve : no water goes back to the tub and -more important- on the next fill the incoming water will fill just the tub and not the drain pump. Detergent and conditioners aren't wasted in the pump and the very only water in the tub is heated.
When the pump engages the ball is no more pushed by the tank pressure so the tub is drained.

The small tank had been emptied before shipping the machine to the US. They just slightly opened athe coin trap (that can be also used as a emergency drain in case of long time power failure). For the same reason after cleaning the coin trap is better to pour half a gallon of clean water inside the drum

Somewhere I have a drawing of this valve. I'll post it as soon as I'll find it

 

[nclh77]

The Siemens machine was about an 89 model and we lived in a small town outside of Bremerhaven called Imsum. Not sure what the water hardness was. I really liked the machine and when I came back to the USA I felt like I had gone back in time with the lack of front loaders in this country. I vowed to get one and am just about as happy as a pig in slop with the variety available now in this country. Just too bad it takes us so long to catch up. I think I was labeled a "communist" once for stating that maybe a front loader may be a good idea in the US.

 

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Spin Lock Description

Hi Bernina,

Here is the description of the spin lock per the service manual for the W 3033.

 

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eco-valve

here it is . Indeed this a drawing of a Lavamat AEG, anyway I'm aware also Miele, Whirlpool/Bauknecht and B.S.H use the same principle.

The tank for the valve is on the left, here the drawer is still on the right ("old fashion" side).

@ NCLH77 : now I get why there Elux and GE sell somewhat cherry red frontloaders *LOL*

 

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Brushless Motor

Apparently, in spite of what the Miele brochure indicates on the W 3033, 3035 models, they must be brushless according to this data in the service manual. The service manual has no reference to carbon brushes, either. Also, the motor sounds somewhat "dc brushless" when it rotates, not quite like my LG's, but you can tell it's a different kind of motor than your average brushed motor. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong).