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“Gas NEVER should have been allowed in residential dwellings”

Again, send someone a check who has an all electric home and you’ll dread it since it’ll be $500 or close to $1000.

It’s really ironic since your username is from a company that builds gas fired water heaters, too.
 
"Anybody still using fuel oil to heat their homes? "

Oil, propane, and even coal are all used to heat homes where natural gas isn't possible or even desired.

Large parts of certain areas of NYS such as Long Island have homes and other buildings heated by oil. Largely because natural gas service isn't available.

If there isn't an already existing gas main down one's street or whatever it can cost plenty to get local utility to not just bring service to area, but then from main at street to one's property/building.

Laws and regulations regarding buried oil tanks (along with issues when it comes time to sell) have prompted many to switch over to natural gas if available.

Many large buildings have dual fuel boilers that can run either on gas or oil. This allows owner to hedge costs by burning whatever is cheaper or switch for other reasons.

 
Approx 35% of people cook with gas.

Just like with Covid, if the stupid people(republicans) don't want to listen and continue to act like fools, I say <span style="text-decoration: underline;">let them</span> as long as they aren't hurting others.
I'm not a liberal Progressive afraid of blood shed or loss of life when it comes to disposable republicans.

A bit over a million U.S. "Americans" have died of Covid and studies have shown the majority of those were people of the republican persuasion that resisted wearing masks and taking precautions that were prescribed by those who know best.  These, no doubt, were people who bad mouthed Dr. Fauci, gathered at frump rallies in 2020, and made spectacles of themselves in public places resisting self protections. 

 

About 20 states put forth legislation that banned the BANNING of gas stove.  These were all mainly under the typical corrupt republican leadership.  Yes, those legislators dislike their citizens that not only do they have worse health care coverage insurance and other public safety nets for people than those in Progressive states, they also don't care if people are suffering with gas pollution in their homes.  

 

Another side bit of info: about 33% of U.S. "Americans" have guns.  A percentage that shrinks every year.  So, they have a lot of them.  There's over 120 guns in the U.S. per 100 people, far FAR more than any other country.  They obviously don't need them for their stated purpose.  Gun accidents and deaths of people with guns are much more likely, statistics show.

 

Just for fun:

I'm wondering if the 33% of gun owners are also gas stove consumers who resent Dr. Fauci and those who try to protect the public.  lol

 

I'm also starting to think that republican legislators, by default, are actually working for people like me.

 

 




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This is my concern with outlawing gas stoves. What would happen whenever there's a power outage? That's why my grandmother wanted a gas stove in the first place because the small little town they were living at in Utah, the power goes out a ton especially during the winter. Unfortunately for my aunt that lives next door in that same town, even their backup generator wouldn't power up their electric stove.
 
#20

Laundress, there are certain areas in the U.S. that still have oil burners, mainly in the N.E.

I don't think coal is still a thing(?) It seems like most places have banned that due to the horrible soot, just as there are communities that have banned burning wood.  uggg.

 

What should/should have happen(ed) is there should be no wasted efforts bringing gas lines to peoples residence. 

It would be better to simply have a gas fired electric power plant in each city, and we have some already, and have people use all electric appliances. 

It would be a lot easier to bring (in theory) ONE gas line to a city to a power plant, have that power plant make electric for the homes where they could use it for heat and everything else. 

Again, there is already electric EVERYWHERE. 

Far simpler than digging up all the streets and putting in deteriorating gas lines.

 

What morons, in the 1950/60s when ever, DIDN'T think of this before?  God ridiculous.  This crap really angers me.

 

Most likely, the U.S. in our abundant wealth, Yes we are one of the RICHEST countries collectively on the planet don't ever forget that,  was trying to cover all the bases and had healthy tax incentives for communities and contractors to install all these stupid, dangerous gas lines.  

 

That's sh*ts gotta stop if it hasn't already.  
 
#23

What is with this weird thought by some people that when the utilities go out

they are all of a sudden going to be in the mood

to make an elaborate six course dinner for a formal party of Twenty?

 

In the rare event the the electric goes out I'm more concerned about making sure the stuff in the freezer and frig doesn't spoil plus a bunch of other things.  

 

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If your lucky enough to have a generator, perhaps a single burner plug in stove or a microwave will be enough to satisfy your guests insatiable appetite for cooked food until the electric comes back on?   Get some Ritz crackers

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"I don't think coal is still a thing(?)"

Then you thought wrong.

While numbers may pale in comparaison to say before WWII, plenty of people still burn coal across USA and even in Canada.

Just as with us here there are plenty of forums and other groups devoted to those who burn coal.







https://coalpail.com/coal-forum/

From upstate New York down through PA into the Appalachia and down onto the south yes, people burn coal. Things pick up again in areas of mid-west or west where coal can be had such as Wyoming.

If one is living out in the boonies or whatever and there isn't natural gas, propane (if it can be found) costs dear and ditto for oil, coal and or wood makes sense. USA like Canada and many parts of Europe have vast reserves of coal.

Bonus points is that if one knows where to look that coal supply can be totally free. Abandoned mines, culm heaps, etc....
 
The natural gas industry has known for some time now that they have a limited time before the public is fed up with their b.s.  

Remember all the big gas line projects that were in the works in the NE that voters finally said NO during the 2020 election.  

When I lived in VA.  There was one going through the state to N.C. that had been haulted. I used to have to drive passed the open spots where the trees had been cut out and the ground graded but no pipe put in.

The same thing in Minnesota, a pipeline coming from Canada passing into Illinois.

 

The majority hate this sh*t.  Oil companies knew that they had limited time to push through their environmental destructive projects. And the banks are also pulling the cash because they can put their money in easy to install solar projects that don't cost anywhere near as much and have an almost guaranteed return.

 


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#26

Like I stated, few

 

A medium city's worth of people are still polluting the air in abundance and pissing off their neighbors.

 

The majority of coal is used in electric generation and even that is declining due to increased regulation.

 

Renewable has actually taken the lead over coal this year.

 

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Reply #19

“What does this mean”

It means you keep on beating on the same dead horse over and over and over and over and over again. You are making yourself look like a fool since you keep on talking about how natural gas is bad along with spamming your posts with bogus and false news articles along with false information.

It really amazes me how someone who’s 30 years older than me is acting like this over something that people use on a daily basis for cooking, heating, clothes drying etc.

Again, I could form the very same arguments on how electricity is dangerous but there’s no sense in arguing over something trivial since it’s not worth my time to argue over something that silly. Too mature to argue about such nonsense.
 
"Gas NEVER should have been allowed in residential dwellings."

Oh really?

It was arrival of gas and oil for domestic heating and hot water that allowed spread of automatic heating and hot water systems.

In particular move away from solid fuels allowed heating/hot water technology to grow including Low Water Cutoff (LWCO) for boilers. Such devices had been invented during days of coal but couldn't really be used to full or any benefit due to nature of solid fuel fired boilers.

Automatic firing of boilers or furnaces meant entire huge apparatus needed to store coal, get it to whatever heating source, then remove ashes was made redundant. This in turn freed up huge amounts of cellar or other real estate.

Automatic firing meant one could leave a house or building unattended for a day, days, weeks or months and still maintain a level of heat if desired. Automatic firing also meant end of "banking" coal or wood fires overnight so in morning you had a warm building.

On other end of things arrival of gas for cooking, heating and hot water lifted a huge weight off housewives. "Keep The Home Fires" burning is not just name of a witty WWI ditty; but what actually governed women's lives.

From range in kitchen to boiler/furnace in basement to stoves in various rooms there were solid fuel fires everywhere and they had to be kept going. In particular kitchen range was important because not only did it supply family meals, but in some cases hot water and major heat source.

Since men were either out at work or otherwise out of house it fell to women to manage all those fires, this included shoveling or otherwise moving scores of pounds of coal or wood per day.



 
#30

Thank you for showing us all what 23 y.o. denial looks like.

 

I'm sure we've all been there at some point in our lives over something.

 

Thank- you also for letting us know that you are too mature to return to discuss this  issue that the Consumer Product Safety Commision is dealing with.
 
#32

There was a time when they were using gas to light houses.... until that blew up.

 

Really, if they knew back then how bad of an idea that was, why in the world did they continue with other appliances.   It's shameful.

 

 
Gas lighting today would demand a lot of fuel--and stoves were burning coal and wood, so that seemed at the time nearly the only thing piped gas was used for...

 

Gas lights that were a novelty on posts in yards got taken down fast and furiously more for inefficiency than any safety factors...

 

By the time electric lights were invented and more widely used, gas lights for general lighting were about done away with, then along came the gas lines used for furnaces, water heaters, boilers and stoves... (Then along came the gas clothes dryer!)

 

 

 

-- Dave
 
#31

Yes, it was a stepping stone in history.   There are lots of them.

 

Even I have fond memories when I bought my first gas GE stove.  Also the house I grew up in had FA oil heat.  We upgraded to NG in about 1975 with a gas FA furnace. I've even installed a couple of gas high efficiency furnaces myself.

 

But we move forward with better ideas.
 
Reply #25

Actually it was VERY smart for my grandparents to go with a gas stove when they did. Even if they did had a generator, that burner wouldn't had been enough for alot of people that went down there and visited. Especially if we were shearing corn on a day we'd only plan to do it for.
 
All those electric stoves, hot water heaters, and heating systems etc will be rocking your world, until the power company does this to you every several years like they keep doing it to us here in CT. Then you'll be taking mostly cold showers, washing mostly in cold water, and keeping the heat low in Winter and be bundled up bigger than the Michelin Man to stay warm. The only real bargain to run in the house will be that 60W equivelent LED bulb that draws 8 watts and only costs you $25.00 a month to run.

 

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