Nationwide gas stove ban?

[maytag85]

Reply #19

“What does this mean”

It means you keep on beating on the same dead horse over and over and over and over and over again. You are making yourself look like a fool since you keep on talking about how natural gas is bad along with spamming your posts with bogus and false news articles along with false information.

It really amazes me how someone who’s 30 years older than me is acting like this over something that people use on a daily basis for cooking, heating, clothes drying etc.

Again, I could form the very same arguments on how electricity is dangerous but there’s no sense in arguing over something trivial since it’s not worth my time to argue over something that silly. Too mature to argue about such nonsense.

 

[launderess]

"Gas NEVER should have been allowed in residential dwellings."

Oh really?

It was arrival of gas and oil for domestic heating and hot water that allowed spread of automatic heating and hot water systems.

In particular move away from solid fuels allowed heating/hot water technology to grow including Low Water Cutoff (LWCO) for boilers. Such devices had been invented during days of coal but couldn't really be used to full or any benefit due to nature of solid fuel fired boilers.

Automatic firing of boilers or furnaces meant entire huge apparatus needed to store coal, get it to whatever heating source, then remove ashes was made redundant. This in turn freed up huge amounts of cellar or other real estate.

Automatic firing meant one could leave a house or building unattended for a day, days, weeks or months and still maintain a level of heat if desired. Automatic firing also meant end of "banking" coal or wood fires overnight so in morning you had a warm building.

On other end of things arrival of gas for cooking, heating and hot water lifted a huge weight off housewives. "Keep The Home Fires" burning is not just name of a witty WWI ditty; but what actually governed women's lives.

From range in kitchen to boiler/furnace in basement to stoves in various rooms there were solid fuel fires everywhere and they had to be kept going. In particular kitchen range was important because not only did it supply family meals, but in some cases hot water and major heat source.

Since men were either out at work or otherwise out of house it fell to women to manage all those fires, this included shoveling or otherwise moving scores of pounds of coal or wood per day.

 

[petek]

Prior to natural gas being piped into homes there was coal gas which was even worse.

 

[bradfordwhite]

#30

Thank you for showing us all what 23 y.o. denial looks like.

 

I'm sure we've all been there at some point in our lives over something.

 

Thank- you also for letting us know that you are too mature to return to discuss this  issue that the Consumer Product Safety Commision is dealing with.

 

[bradfordwhite]

#32

There was a time when they were using gas to light houses.... until that blew up.

 

Really, if they knew back then how bad of an idea that was, why in the world did they continue with other appliances.   It's shameful.

 

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Gas lighting today would demand a lot of fuel--and stoves were burning coal and wood, so that seemed at the time nearly the only thing piped gas was used for...

 

Gas lights that were a novelty on posts in yards got taken down fast and furiously more for inefficiency than any safety factors...

 

By the time electric lights were invented and more widely used, gas lights for general lighting were about done away with, then along came the gas lines used for furnaces, water heaters, boilers and stoves... (Then along came the gas clothes dryer!)

 

 

 

-- Dave

 

[bradfordwhite]

#31

Yes, it was a stepping stone in history.   There are lots of them.

 

Even I have fond memories when I bought my first gas GE stove.  Also the house I grew up in had FA oil heat.  We upgraded to NG in about 1975 with a gas FA furnace. I've even installed a couple of gas high efficiency furnaces myself.

 

But we move forward with better ideas.

 

[panasonicvac]

Reply #25

Actually it was VERY smart for my grandparents to go with a gas stove when they did. Even if they did had a generator, that burner wouldn't had been enough for alot of people that went down there and visited. Especially if we were shearing corn on a day we'd only plan to do it for.

 

[robbinsandmyers]

All those electric stoves, hot water heaters, and heating systems etc will be rocking your world, until the power company does this to you every several years like they keep doing it to us here in CT. Then you'll be taking mostly cold showers, washing mostly in cold water, and keeping the heat low in Winter and be bundled up bigger than the Michelin Man to stay warm. The only real bargain to run in the house will be that 60W equivelent LED bulb that draws 8 watts and only costs you $25.00 a month to run.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...oking-to-increase-rates-by-nearly-50/2918208/

 

[bradfordwhite]

#38

Do you think that ANY other utility can't raise their rates?
How about NG or oil suppliers raising their rates?

At least people can easily make their own electric through solar installations that are more affordable than ever.

A person can't make their own NG or oil well.

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Maybe I should start drilling?

-- Dave

 

[qsd-dan]

Maybe I should start drilling?

Won't be long until there's a ban on Texas Tea.

 

[justjunque]

I'm more concerned about all the talk of what the government will try to ban next.
Is it just me, or does that not feel "right"?
Sure. People don't care so much when it's a ban on something they don't like or don't use. But, if the government is given the power to ban whatever they want, whenever they want, it's eventually going to affect something that they do use or care about.
An out of control government scares me more than my natural gas boiler or dryer.

 

[maytag85]

Reply #42

The government simply has too much power, many of the things they’ve done since the 70’s and on completely violates certain amendments of the constitution, mainly freedom and privacy.

 

[robbinsandmyers]

Reply #39

Raising rates and raping people are two entirely different things. Going up 50% is gouging in my book. Esp since several years ago they also went up 50% on residential and 75% commercial users. And our power hungry turd of a governor does nothing about looking into it. The other thing is they bought the local natural gas company several years ago. Can you say monopoly? I thought that was illegal. If you've got unlimited money to burn to make your utility companies rich then have at it. I'll bitch about it and feel something should be investigated.

 

[mattl]

There is no perfect answer.  Some claim Big Govt. has too much power, but on the other hand should Big Business be allowed to run rough shod disregarding public health and environment? There needs to be a counter balance.

 

Millions of us have lost IQ points due to leaded gasoline, and millions more of kids are still exposed to lead paint compromising their mental facilities. Is it wrong to prevent more damage?  Kids exposed to gas ranges appear to have a significantly greater preponderance of asthma. What if you were one  of those kids and as an adult to found out it was a know contributor to a condition that plagued you all your life- And it could have been prevented.

 

Big business is not going to do anything that will hurt their bottom line, now more so than ever. They are not going to easily abandon a segment of the market willingly just to prevent asthma or climate damage.

 

 

[maytag85]

Reply #45

You’re falling for bogus and disinformation the news media puts out there.

 

[lowefficiency]

Reply #45 is spot-on. What part of it do you think is bogus/disinformation?

 

[supersuds]

Everybody can unclench. No ban is on the table, just investigations.

 

[supersuds]

Also of note, a large peer-reviewed study published by the National Institutes of Health found as follows: "We detected no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24429203/

 

[launderess]

@ Reply #48

Huge amount of noise instantly generated likely prompted that clarification PR release more like.

Even Biden is walking back some earlier statements and or issuing clarification.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-gas-stoves/index.html

That's all very well on federal level, but local governments have their own agenda.

State and local governments in CA, NY and elsewhere have gone after or plan to ban gas appliances to some extent.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/ny-fired-up-over-gas-stove-ban-not-wanted

If such contagion spreads sooner or later market for various gas appliances will collapse leaving fewer players if any.

 

[launderess]

Only issue (if there is one) with burning gas or any fossil fuel indoors is that over decades buildings have become tighter and less drafty.

That's all very well from an energy saving point of view but less fresh air leads to poor indoor ventilation. Yes, you can go with various forms of mechanical ventilation, but from some people's standpoints once you've got both feet firmly on that slippery slope best move to heating and cooling that air at same time it's being circulated.

Entire passive house movement works in whole or part on said principles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house

 

[robbinsandmyers]

Lets all push to switch over to electric energy and be totally dependent on the power companies because they're our friends right?? They wouldn't ever think of gouging us right??

https://ctexaminer.com/2022/02/17/e...llion-in-profits-for-second-consecutive-year/

 

[ea56]

Regardless of whether you use gas or electricity you’re dependent on a power company, unless you are able to produce your own gas or electricity. At least with electricity you can have solar panels to generate you own electric power.

Eddie

 

[DADoES]

 
Eliminate all dependence on power companies ...

Light bulbs
Refrigerators
Freezers
Computers
Modems & routers
Printers
Scanners
Cell phones
Washers
Dryers
Dishwashers
TVs
Blenders
Toaster ovens
Microwave ovens
Food processors & mixers
Water well pumps
HVAC blowers
Range hoods
Bathroom exhaust fans
Garage door openers
Pool pumps
Gasoline pumps
Point-of-sale systems at stores
ATMs
Traffic lights
Security systems
Industrial & factory automation
X-ray, MRI, & other medical equipment

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Good luck with that.

 

[fan-of-fans]

I’m afraid of gas stoves and appliances to be honest, but don’t want them banned. Wish the govt would stop pretending to know it all and constraining choices in everything. Why don’t they do something useful that’s obviously directly and indirectly harmful like cigarettes?

I’d be in favor of better ventilation requirements in new construction… like vent hoods and micro hoods that actually vent outside regardless if gas or electric. And bathroom exhaust fans that are actually required to be powerful enough and located close enough to the shower to actually vent moisture properly. Builders keep putting them directly over the toilet because for some reason they think they’re for farts and not steam… along with using the weakest nosiest fans available…

 

[sudsmaster]

<blockquote>
The White House on Wednesday asserted that President Joe Biden does not support a ban on gas stoves after a federal consumer safety official suggested that such a proposal was on the table.

 

The White House response follows a recent Bloomberg interview with Biden-appointed US Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr., who called the household appliance a “hidden hazard” and said that “any option is on the table” in relations to regulating them.

 

“Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” he added. Besides a ban, other options include “setting standards on emissions from the appliances,” Trumka said.

 

Pollutants from gas stoves have been linked to asthma and worsening respiratory conditions. A December 2022 study in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health found that indoor gas stove usage is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children. The study found that almost 13% of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use. ...

</blockquote>

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-gas-stoves

 

[launderess]

For those who haven't made the connection, Richard Trumka, Jr. is son of late union leader Richard Trumka, Sr.

https://www.michigancapitolconfiden...ffort-to-regulate-and-possibly-ban-gas-stoves

Furthermore Trumka isn't exactly backing down either.

"For now, Trumka said, CSPC has not “coalesced” around a solution and is still gathering information and preparing to ask for public input.

“We try to look at ways to make things safe. That is goal one. And if we can do that, that’s fantastic. But every option, if we fall short of that, is on the table,” Trumka said.

The CSPC commissioner also pointed out that consumers who wish to switch from a gas stove to an electric one are eligible to a rebate of up to $840 through the Inflation Reduction Act.

Trumka did not retract his comments to Bloomberg News earlier this week where he said that “products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/business/gas-stoves-trumka/index.html

 

[sudsmaster]

The simple fact is that Trumka has zero authority to enact a ban on gas stoves. Period.

 

 

[bradfordwhite]

We should start an ongoing thread of the latest gas explosions.

No way will I allow gas appliances in my home but also, I don't want to live within at least several hundred feet of gas mains or other buildings that have gas in them either. Because when they go up, I don't want my home affected.

I wonder how property insurance reacts.

I'm sure the increasing property insurance rates are taking into account the aging gas pipelines that can rust out and leak ANYWHERE. ughhhh

Get these damn things out of our neighborhoods NOW!

The good news is it's very easy and inexpensive to cut off a rusting old gas line that feeds a neighborhood and remove the meters. No need to dig up streets or anything.