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Nationwide gas stove ban?
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justjunque
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I'm more concerned about all the talk of what the government will try to ban next.
Is it just me, or does that not feel "right"?
Sure. People don't care so much when it's a ban on something they don't like or don't use. But, if the government is given the power to ban whatever they want, whenever they want, it's eventually going to affect something that they do use or care about.
An out of control government scares me more than my natural gas boiler or dryer.
Is it just me, or does that not feel "right"?
Sure. People don't care so much when it's a ban on something they don't like or don't use. But, if the government is given the power to ban whatever they want, whenever they want, it's eventually going to affect something that they do use or care about.
An out of control government scares me more than my natural gas boiler or dryer.
Reply #39
Raising rates and raping people are two entirely different things. Going up 50% is gouging in my book. Esp since several years ago they also went up 50% on residential and 75% commercial users. And our power hungry turd of a governor does nothing about looking into it. The other thing is they bought the local natural gas company several years ago. Can you say monopoly? I thought that was illegal. If you've got unlimited money to burn to make your utility companies rich then have at it. I'll bitch about it and feel something should be investigated.
Raising rates and raping people are two entirely different things. Going up 50% is gouging in my book. Esp since several years ago they also went up 50% on residential and 75% commercial users. And our power hungry turd of a governor does nothing about looking into it. The other thing is they bought the local natural gas company several years ago. Can you say monopoly? I thought that was illegal. If you've got unlimited money to burn to make your utility companies rich then have at it. I'll bitch about it and feel something should be investigated.
There is no perfect answer. Some claim Big Govt. has too much power, but on the other hand should Big Business be allowed to run rough shod disregarding public health and environment? There needs to be a counter balance.
Millions of us have lost IQ points due to leaded gasoline, and millions more of kids are still exposed to lead paint compromising their mental facilities. Is it wrong to prevent more damage? Kids exposed to gas ranges appear to have a significantly greater preponderance of asthma. What if you were one of those kids and as an adult to found out it was a know contributor to a condition that plagued you all your life- And it could have been prevented.
Big business is not going to do anything that will hurt their bottom line, now more so than ever. They are not going to easily abandon a segment of the market willingly just to prevent asthma or climate damage.
Millions of us have lost IQ points due to leaded gasoline, and millions more of kids are still exposed to lead paint compromising their mental facilities. Is it wrong to prevent more damage? Kids exposed to gas ranges appear to have a significantly greater preponderance of asthma. What if you were one of those kids and as an adult to found out it was a know contributor to a condition that plagued you all your life- And it could have been prevented.
Big business is not going to do anything that will hurt their bottom line, now more so than ever. They are not going to easily abandon a segment of the market willingly just to prevent asthma or climate damage.
Reply #45 is spot-on. What part of it do you think is bogus/disinformation?
Everybody can unclench. No ban is on the table, just investigations.
Also of note, a large peer-reviewed study published by the National Institutes of Health found as follows: "We detected no evidence of an association between the use of gas as a cooking fuel and either asthma symptoms or asthma diagnosis."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24429203/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24429203/
@ Reply #48
Huge amount of noise instantly generated likely prompted that clarification PR release more like.
Even Biden is walking back some earlier statements and or issuing clarification.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-gas-stoves/index.html
That's all very well on federal level, but local governments have their own agenda.
State and local governments in CA, NY and elsewhere have gone after or plan to ban gas appliances to some extent.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/ny-fired-up-over-gas-stove-ban-not-wanted
If such contagion spreads sooner or later market for various gas appliances will collapse leaving fewer players if any.
Huge amount of noise instantly generated likely prompted that clarification PR release more like.
Even Biden is walking back some earlier statements and or issuing clarification.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-gas-stoves/index.html
That's all very well on federal level, but local governments have their own agenda.
State and local governments in CA, NY and elsewhere have gone after or plan to ban gas appliances to some extent.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/ny-fired-up-over-gas-stove-ban-not-wanted
If such contagion spreads sooner or later market for various gas appliances will collapse leaving fewer players if any.
Only issue (if there is one) with burning gas or any fossil fuel indoors is that over decades buildings have become tighter and less drafty.
That's all very well from an energy saving point of view but less fresh air leads to poor indoor ventilation. Yes, you can go with various forms of mechanical ventilation, but from some people's standpoints once you've got both feet firmly on that slippery slope best move to heating and cooling that air at same time it's being circulated.
Entire passive house movement works in whole or part on said principles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house
That's all very well from an energy saving point of view but less fresh air leads to poor indoor ventilation. Yes, you can go with various forms of mechanical ventilation, but from some people's standpoints once you've got both feet firmly on that slippery slope best move to heating and cooling that air at same time it's being circulated.
Entire passive house movement works in whole or part on said principles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house
Lets all push to switch over to electric energy and be totally dependent on the power companies because they're our friends right?? They wouldn't ever think of gouging us right??
https://ctexaminer.com/2022/02/17/e...llion-in-profits-for-second-consecutive-year/
https://ctexaminer.com/2022/02/17/e...llion-in-profits-for-second-consecutive-year/
Regardless of whether you use gas or electricity you’re dependent on a power company, unless you are able to produce your own gas or electricity. At least with electricity you can have solar panels to generate you own electric power.
Eddie
Eddie
Eliminate all dependence on power companies ...
Light bulbs
Refrigerators
Freezers
Computers
Modems & routers
Printers
Scanners
Cell phones
Washers
Dryers
Dishwashers
TVs
Blenders
Toaster ovens
Microwave ovens
Food processors & mixers
Water well pumps
HVAC blowers
Range hoods
Bathroom exhaust fans
Garage door openers
Pool pumps
Gasoline pumps
Point-of-sale systems at stores
ATMs
Traffic lights
Security systems
Industrial & factory automation
X-ray, MRI, & other medical equipment
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Good luck with that.
fan-of-fans
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I’m afraid of gas stoves and appliances to be honest, but don’t want them banned. Wish the govt would stop pretending to know it all and constraining choices in everything. Why don’t they do something useful that’s obviously directly and indirectly harmful like cigarettes?
I’d be in favor of better ventilation requirements in new construction… like vent hoods and micro hoods that actually vent outside regardless if gas or electric. And bathroom exhaust fans that are actually required to be powerful enough and located close enough to the shower to actually vent moisture properly. Builders keep putting them directly over the toilet because for some reason they think they’re for farts and not steam… along with using the weakest nosiest fans available…
I’d be in favor of better ventilation requirements in new construction… like vent hoods and micro hoods that actually vent outside regardless if gas or electric. And bathroom exhaust fans that are actually required to be powerful enough and located close enough to the shower to actually vent moisture properly. Builders keep putting them directly over the toilet because for some reason they think they’re for farts and not steam… along with using the weakest nosiest fans available…
<blockquote>
The White House on Wednesday asserted that President Joe Biden does not support a ban on gas stoves after a federal consumer safety official suggested that such a proposal was on the table.
The White House response follows a recent Bloomberg interview with Biden-appointed US Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr., who called the household appliance a “hidden hazard” and said that “any option is on the table” in relations to regulating them.
“Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” he added. Besides a ban, other options include “setting standards on emissions from the appliances,” Trumka said.
Pollutants from gas stoves have been linked to asthma and worsening respiratory conditions. A December 2022 study in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health found that indoor gas stove usage is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children. The study found that almost 13% of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use. ...
</blockquote>
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-gas-stoves
The White House on Wednesday asserted that President Joe Biden does not support a ban on gas stoves after a federal consumer safety official suggested that such a proposal was on the table.
The White House response follows a recent Bloomberg interview with Biden-appointed US Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr., who called the household appliance a “hidden hazard” and said that “any option is on the table” in relations to regulating them.
“Products that can’t be made safe can be banned,” he added. Besides a ban, other options include “setting standards on emissions from the appliances,” Trumka said.
Pollutants from gas stoves have been linked to asthma and worsening respiratory conditions. A December 2022 study in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health found that indoor gas stove usage is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children. The study found that almost 13% of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use. ...
</blockquote>
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-gas-stoves
For those who haven't made the connection, Richard Trumka, Jr. is son of late union leader Richard Trumka, Sr.
https://www.michigancapitolconfiden...ffort-to-regulate-and-possibly-ban-gas-stoves
Furthermore Trumka isn't exactly backing down either.
"For now, Trumka said, CSPC has not “coalesced” around a solution and is still gathering information and preparing to ask for public input.
“We try to look at ways to make things safe. That is goal one. And if we can do that, that’s fantastic. But every option, if we fall short of that, is on the table,” Trumka said.
The CSPC commissioner also pointed out that consumers who wish to switch from a gas stove to an electric one are eligible to a rebate of up to $840 through the Inflation Reduction Act.
Trumka did not retract his comments to Bloomberg News earlier this week where he said that “products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/business/gas-stoves-trumka/index.html
https://www.michigancapitolconfiden...ffort-to-regulate-and-possibly-ban-gas-stoves
Furthermore Trumka isn't exactly backing down either.
"For now, Trumka said, CSPC has not “coalesced” around a solution and is still gathering information and preparing to ask for public input.
“We try to look at ways to make things safe. That is goal one. And if we can do that, that’s fantastic. But every option, if we fall short of that, is on the table,” Trumka said.
The CSPC commissioner also pointed out that consumers who wish to switch from a gas stove to an electric one are eligible to a rebate of up to $840 through the Inflation Reduction Act.
Trumka did not retract his comments to Bloomberg News earlier this week where he said that “products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/business/gas-stoves-trumka/index.html
The simple fact is that Trumka has zero authority to enact a ban on gas stoves. Period.
bradfordwhite
Well-known member
We should start an ongoing thread of the latest gas explosions.
No way will I allow gas appliances in my home but also, I don't want to live within at least several hundred feet of gas mains or other buildings that have gas in them either. Because when they go up, I don't want my home affected.
I wonder how property insurance reacts.
I'm sure the increasing property insurance rates are taking into account the aging gas pipelines that can rust out and leak ANYWHERE. ughhhh
Get these damn things out of our neighborhoods NOW!
The good news is it's very easy and inexpensive to cut off a rusting old gas line that feeds a neighborhood and remove the meters. No need to dig up streets or anything.
No way will I allow gas appliances in my home but also, I don't want to live within at least several hundred feet of gas mains or other buildings that have gas in them either. Because when they go up, I don't want my home affected.
I wonder how property insurance reacts.
I'm sure the increasing property insurance rates are taking into account the aging gas pipelines that can rust out and leak ANYWHERE. ughhhh
Get these damn things out of our neighborhoods NOW!
The good news is it's very easy and inexpensive to cut off a rusting old gas line that feeds a neighborhood and remove the meters. No need to dig up streets or anything.
