Nationwide gas stove ban?
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bradfordwhite
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#60
They also make efficient electric water heaters.
What's your point? It's a screen name. It can be anything.
The message is what's important though at 23 y.o. you may not have learned the importance of substance over style yet.
You stated above that you were done with this thread.
They also make efficient electric water heaters.
What's your point? It's a screen name. It can be anything.
The message is what's important though at 23 y.o. you may not have learned the importance of substance over style yet.
You stated above that you were done with this thread.
“The message is what’s important though at 23 y.o you may not have learned the importance of substance over style yet”
Well, as someone who’s 54 years old, you are acting like one of those 12 year olds I once knew in middle school and believe anything you see on the internet.
If you want people to take you seriously, don’t act so childish about things.
Well, as someone who’s 54 years old, you are acting like one of those 12 year olds I once knew in middle school and believe anything you see on the internet.
If you want people to take you seriously, don’t act so childish about things.
bradfordwhite
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#30, 46, 60, & 62
Stop attacking people personally.
This is a civil discussion of the planned ban on gas stoves per the Consumer Product Safety Commision and other credible agencies.
If you can't act respectful please prove what you said above: "Too mature to argue about such nonsense."
Please follow the rules that Robert has set for his group and use some common sense.
Stop attacking people personally.
This is a civil discussion of the planned ban on gas stoves per the Consumer Product Safety Commision and other credible agencies.
If you can't act respectful please prove what you said above: "Too mature to argue about such nonsense."
Please follow the rules that Robert has set for his group and use some common sense.
bradfordwhite
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Our cars wouldn't have seat belts and other restraints if it weren't for those who move to help people live safely. I'm grateful.
I'm grateful for the smoking bans in buildings, for the emergency and hospital services available when needed, and for public health agencies that help with all kinds of life affecting illnesses that occur.
No way would I even think to insult or hurt these agencies.
https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3620612-why-cities-are-banning-gas-stoves/
I'm grateful for the smoking bans in buildings, for the emergency and hospital services available when needed, and for public health agencies that help with all kinds of life affecting illnesses that occur.
No way would I even think to insult or hurt these agencies.
https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3620612-why-cities-are-banning-gas-stoves/
“Stop attacking people personally”
Not attacking you personally, just don’t want to see and hear people argue about such silly things such as natural gas.
“This is a civil discussion of the planned ban on gas stoves per the Consumer Product Safety Commission and other credible agencies”.
I am being civil in this discussion.
“If you can’t act respectful pleas prove what you said above: “Too mature to argue about such nonsense”.
I am being respectful, you just keep going on and on.
“Please follow the rules the Robert has set for his group and use some common sense”.
I do follow the rules by not bringing up politics, religion, etc. and refraining from using R-rated language. You just told me to follow the rules yet broke one of the rules in Reply #21 since you bought up the subject of politics.
Not attacking you personally, just don’t want to see and hear people argue about such silly things such as natural gas.
“This is a civil discussion of the planned ban on gas stoves per the Consumer Product Safety Commission and other credible agencies”.
I am being civil in this discussion.
“If you can’t act respectful pleas prove what you said above: “Too mature to argue about such nonsense”.
I am being respectful, you just keep going on and on.
“Please follow the rules the Robert has set for his group and use some common sense”.
I do follow the rules by not bringing up politics, religion, etc. and refraining from using R-rated language. You just told me to follow the rules yet broke one of the rules in Reply #21 since you bought up the subject of politics.
bradfordwhite
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"...just don’t want to see and hear people argue about such silly things such as natural gas."
Then get out of this discussion!
And be warned: This is an appliance group. We've talked about gas appliances before and we will be talking about them again in one form or another.
If you can't handle that then you need to learn to control yourself and abstain.
If all the accidents that have happened in the world regarding natural gas and the pending legislation to help protect people in the future hasn't convinced you that there is a problem; then perhaps you've been living in a house with excess CO2 and it's "affected you". I don't know what your problem is. Natural gas is not a "silly thing".
Then get out of this discussion!
And be warned: This is an appliance group. We've talked about gas appliances before and we will be talking about them again in one form or another.
If you can't handle that then you need to learn to control yourself and abstain.
If all the accidents that have happened in the world regarding natural gas and the pending legislation to help protect people in the future hasn't convinced you that there is a problem; then perhaps you've been living in a house with excess CO2 and it's "affected you". I don't know what your problem is. Natural gas is not a "silly thing".
bradfordwhite
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bradfordwhite
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cast iron pipe dug and replaced
After house exploded in Dallas.
The stuff of nightmares. If texas had decent utility legislation, the pipes would most likely have been replaced BEFORE the explosion.
We also need legislation that blocks, exposes, and punishes the criminal elements that tries to keep life saving information and policies from taking affect. That is as much as problem as the problem issues themselves.
After house exploded in Dallas.
The stuff of nightmares. If texas had decent utility legislation, the pipes would most likely have been replaced BEFORE the explosion.
We also need legislation that blocks, exposes, and punishes the criminal elements that tries to keep life saving information and policies from taking affect. That is as much as problem as the problem issues themselves.
bradfordwhite
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Even an almost new house
What I would call new is probably 20 years old.
In a flash, the house just gone. That's how dangerous gas is.
Absolutely NOT silly business.
What I would call new is probably 20 years old.
In a flash, the house just gone. That's how dangerous gas is.
Absolutely NOT silly business.
Houses also catch fire from electrical problems. Was an incident in town here last week.
“If you can’t handle that then you need to learn to control yourself and abstain”
No, you need you to learn to control yourself and abstain. I don’t go beating on the same dead horse over and over and over and over and over again.
Btw, see how you posts have few to no upvotes on them? Tells you something.
No, you need you to learn to control yourself and abstain. I don’t go beating on the same dead horse over and over and over and over and over again.
Btw, see how you posts have few to no upvotes on them? Tells you something.
bradfordwhite
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#71
You are harassing people. Why, I don't care. It's not appropriate in a civil discussion about gas stoves.
You aren't even a paid contributor to the site.
Just getting thumbs means nothing. lol. Thumbing your own post is desperate.
Everyone can see how you've behaved herein. I've screen shotted everything.
Leave the discussion if you can't handle it as you already admitted. This groups isn't here to entertain you, or anyone else for that matter.
You are harassing people. Why, I don't care. It's not appropriate in a civil discussion about gas stoves.
You aren't even a paid contributor to the site.
Just getting thumbs means nothing. lol. Thumbing your own post is desperate.
Everyone can see how you've behaved herein. I've screen shotted everything.
Leave the discussion if you can't handle it as you already admitted. This groups isn't here to entertain you, or anyone else for that matter.
bradfordwhite
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#70
Are you going to start a discussion about that? That's a good idea.
I want to see the videos about houses simply exploding because of electricity simply existing.
I'll look for the appropriate post.
Are you going to start a discussion about that? That's a good idea.
I want to see the videos about houses simply exploding because of electricity simply existing.
I'll look for the appropriate post.
“You are harassing people. Why, I don’t care. It’s not appropriate in a civil discussion about gas stoves”.
I am not harassing anyone, just replying to your posts.
“You aren’t even a paid contributor to the site”.
I already know that, don’t have the green star next to my username.
I am not harassing anyone, just replying to your posts.
“You aren’t even a paid contributor to the site”.
I already know that, don’t have the green star next to my username.
sudsmaster
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I am assuming from the mention of the name " bradfordwhite" that he is the one disrupting this thread. My solution for him is just to go to my profile and block his posts. Problem solved.
sudsmaster
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Until I was 11 we lived in a small town back east. The house (built in 1950) had gas, electricity, and a big fuel tank in the basement. Every fall a big tanker truck would come by and snake a line out to the house to fill the tank. That fuel oil was used to run the home heating system. When we moved to California, homes were heated either by natural gas or electricity. In fact I've never seen a fuel oil truck pull up to a home out here to fill a home's fuel tank. And I recall there was usually a whiff of fuel oil back east when the heating system started up. I don't miss that at all.
48bencix
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Fuel Oil
We had an oil fired heater at our cabin in Lakeport, California. Since removed and replaced with electric wall heater. My cousin lives up there and has oil heat. I don't think there is natural gas up there.
We had an oil fired heater at our cabin in Lakeport, California. Since removed and replaced with electric wall heater. My cousin lives up there and has oil heat. I don't think there is natural gas up there.
polkanut
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Both sets of grandparents, my parents, both of my sisters as well as me all had/have households with gas stoves and furnaces. None of us have ever had any problems with asthma, or any other breathing problems. Even now, my parents who moved into an apartment a year ago wish they had a gas heat, a gas water heater, and a gas stove.
Our house was converted over to natural gas in the early 1990's by the previous owner when he finally decided he no longer wanted to deal with the hassle of an oil furnace. The first things we replaced after we bought our home in 1998 were the ancient electric water heater, and Corning top electric range.
The water heater couldn't even keep up when doing back-to-back loads of laundry. The only time the gas water heater has run out of hot water was when I foolishly decided to run the dishwasher, do a load of laundry, and shower all at the same time.
Our house was converted over to natural gas in the early 1990's by the previous owner when he finally decided he no longer wanted to deal with the hassle of an oil furnace. The first things we replaced after we bought our home in 1998 were the ancient electric water heater, and Corning top electric range.
The water heater couldn't even keep up when doing back-to-back loads of laundry. The only time the gas water heater has run out of hot water was when I foolishly decided to run the dishwasher, do a load of laundry, and shower all at the same time.
tennblondie78
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I think if child welfare is truly the focus, then the topic should be on the much bigger issue of children growing up in homes with parents who smoke than gas stoves. I grew up with a chain smoking mother; she would light her next cigarette with the one she was finishing. Our entire house was stained yellow inside from nicotine; her house still is. Her white appliances are harvest gold. I have had respiratory problems my entire life.
Cigarette smoking is a much more sensitive topic than gas stoves, though.
Cigarette smoking is a much more sensitive topic than gas stoves, though.
bradfordwhite
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#80
Oh honey...
Both parents here too. I don't know that chain smoke would be fitting but close. I remember waking in the morning, opening my door to what appeared to a heavy fog with the stench of coffee. It was so bad, I didn't want to get up when they were there and affected my school.
Oh honey...
Both parents here too. I don't know that chain smoke would be fitting but close. I remember waking in the morning, opening my door to what appeared to a heavy fog with the stench of coffee. It was so bad, I didn't want to get up when they were there and affected my school.
According to a 2020 report by the National Fire Protection Association, households with electric stoves reported fires at a rate 2.6 times higher than those with gas stoves.
panasonicvac
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Definitely agree with reply #70, I've seen electric stuff catch on fire as well so that doesn't convince me that electric is better than gas. Both have their pros and cons. My parents replaced their gas dryer with an electric dryer because they were or at least my mom thought that the gas dryer would easily catch on fire. That never did happened. But even electric dryers can catch on fire too. I wished we went with another gas dryer because I actually did liked that Maytag Neptune we had before, I didn't find a performance difference between that and our LG electric dryers. But we definitely would've kept saving money, help the environment more, and the dryer would run more efficient. I know for my new house I'm planning to go with a gas dryer. I'm also going with a gas water heater, gas furnace, gas refrigerator/freezer, gas grill, and even a gas stove as well.
I refuse to get on the bandwagon they're pushing today about getting on electric every thing this soon because I refuse to ignore the fact our national electric infrastructure is woefully behind the times and capacity to support it in its present form. Stop putting the cart before the horse. Work on the system first so when the time comes its got more than enough capacity to handle the extreme burden all these green people want to throw at it, it will have no issue handling it all and there wont be such a thing as restrictions during peak times, black outs, etc. Its not that hard to figure out. Plentiful electricity will be cheaper electricity.
bradfordwhite
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How the gas industry sucked in social influencers to have them
pull at the heart strings of people ....using the gas stove as bait.
Just to sell their bad product.
Even though, stoves use less than 3% of gas in the home. hmmmm?
When a young person seems weirdly possessed by gas stoves, perhaps they've been watching too many slanted commercials.
I present to educate and help as I'm often correct and I don't care about telling people what they WANT to hear.
I love being able to say: "See I told you so, you should've listened"
My conscious is clear and there are those who actually take good advice.
pull at the heart strings of people ....using the gas stove as bait.
Just to sell their bad product.
Even though, stoves use less than 3% of gas in the home. hmmmm?
When a young person seems weirdly possessed by gas stoves, perhaps they've been watching too many slanted commercials.
I present to educate and help as I'm often correct and I don't care about telling people what they WANT to hear.
I love being able to say: "See I told you so, you should've listened"
My conscious is clear and there are those who actually take good advice.
bradfordwhite
Well-known member
#83
Compare apples to apples.
A perfectly good safely installed electric stove VS a perfectly good safe(as can be) installed gas stove.
The gas stove and piping is a danger just sitting there. When you turn it on it's spewing all kinds of toxins.
The electric stove possesses no danger either sitting idle or when turned on.
Sure any appliance can need a repair. It's certainly not correct to take a melted or damaged plug and claim that's typical. Gas stoves can have leaking pipes and couplers or the very common one: a leaking shut off valve.
We know all about fixing appliances in this group RIGHT?
Compare apples to apples.
A perfectly good safely installed electric stove VS a perfectly good safe(as can be) installed gas stove.
The gas stove and piping is a danger just sitting there. When you turn it on it's spewing all kinds of toxins.
The electric stove possesses no danger either sitting idle or when turned on.
Sure any appliance can need a repair. It's certainly not correct to take a melted or damaged plug and claim that's typical. Gas stoves can have leaking pipes and couplers or the very common one: a leaking shut off valve.
We know all about fixing appliances in this group RIGHT?
“The electric stove possesses no danger either sitting idle or turned on”.
You don’t realize that electricity can short out to ground, causing a dangerous situation but usually the breaker or fuse box will intervene before anything else can happen but there’s that small chance the breaker won’t always work and yes it’s rare but has happed though.
You don’t realize that electricity can short out to ground, causing a dangerous situation but usually the breaker or fuse box will intervene before anything else can happen but there’s that small chance the breaker won’t always work and yes it’s rare but has happed though.
I've cooked with both kinds of stoves, I'd had hunks of electric rod burners blow off and luckily not hit any person, when the burner would give out, more than any suffered any similar danger cooking with gas, and even cooked over barbecues and campfires burning wood and carbon monoxide producing charcoal, and I ain't dead yet...
Eat your food raw then, just look out for salmonella!
-- Dave
Eat your food raw then, just look out for salmonella!
-- Dave
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