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Oh yes, they did. They've done a remake of "The Women"

See the trailer at the link.....

 
It was bound to happen

sooner or later. I'm sure a number of us here knew people who were from the generation of the players in the original film and could relate to the period and understand the conventions of the time. The trailer appears to have just updated the movie so younger generations can relate to the story. A modern spin on a classic story. A pity the current generation has thrown out certain social conventions such as standards of dress. Part of what made the original so interesting was the elegant styles of the period. Pity on what passes for style these days. The trailers looks like it will be a fun movie. Cloris is back I see. I loved her as "Phyllis". I had a great aunt that was like Mother Dexter. I loved the way she said whatever was on her mind. September huh, can't wait to see it.
 
Gee...
So this will be the third version.
I really liked the first two...I doubt I will see this one.
Brent
 
It's Been DONE....

In fact, it has been done several times, always with indifferent results.

One time was the 1956 musical version, titled The Opposite Sex. In addition to music, men show up in this one. While it's not the worst movie in the world (nothing with Dolores Gray in it could ever qualify for that title), it does star June Allyson, who is no match for Norma Shearer- or anyone else. Allyson is absolutely terrible in it, and the movie's box-office reflected that.

A few years ago there was a video taping of a revival on Broadway, with lots of highly-regarded current actresses parading around in Isaac Mizrahi clothing (they took their bows in Mizrahi lingerie, which left any reasonably sensitive onlooker feeling pretty damn embarrassed for the older members of the cast). Cynthia Nixon was pallid and tentative as Mary Haines, and Jennifer Tilly's alleged performance as Crystal would have disgraced an Ed Wood movie. It would have been fine if only a few foolish Manhattan theatregoers had been subjected to it, but no, PBS had to inflict this thing on the whole country.

The point is that the original 1939 movie has something going for it that no other version has had- something no other version probably ever will have. It's a movie of its time, with actresses who had a deep- in fact visceral- connection to the material, because they'd lived the life it depicted on one level or another. There is little way that actresses of later generations can understand "on the train to Reno" on quite the same level as women of the 1930s did, as a weary admission of failure, and a terrifying journey into a life without the secure status they'd previously enjoyed. They don't understand being wholly dependent on men and marriage. They don't understand Crystal's climb up the ladder of Society, wrong by wrong. They think she's a gold-digger, and there's a little truth to that, but Joan Crawford, as a star who'd literally gone from rags to riches, understood the bigger picture- you grabbed the brass ring if you could, otherwise you slogged in retail until your ankles were too swollen to carry you another day, no in-between. Norma Shearer, as the widow of M-G-M studio head Irving Thalberg, knew all too well what idle gossip could do to derail one's position- she'd frequently been accused of using her marriage to foster her career.

Today, women have choices. If you don't want to get married, you don't. If you want another woman as a life partner, fine. If one career doesn't work out, you can try another, and it's completely open to you, whether you want to run for national office, drive an eighteen-wheeler, run a movie studio or repair telephone lines. Today's women cannot possibly understand The Women at the gut level necessary to believe in the material, and when they tackle the famous lines and try on the '30s glamour, they're out of their depth and it shows. Playing The Women for irony doesn't work; these are desperate ladies in desperate times. M-G-M's version of the work has an authenticity nothing made later can match.

One of the things I wish Hollywood people would remember more often is that the entire purpose of film is to capture and save performances, so that they can be enjoyed not only by huge numbers of people, but for all time. When a movie turns out as perfectly as the 1939 version, all that is necessary is to keep showing it. It doesn't need updating, changing, musicalising, spinning, or tweaking. The Women, in the hands of Shearer, Crawford, Russell, Fontaine, Povah, Main and many others, is perfect, a cry from the heart of women who had weathered the Depression in comfort, but a comfort that they knew ultimately depended on another sex, one no woman could or should ever really trust.
 
Yippie!

One of my favorite movies! (the 1939 version, of course)

But I've known about this remake for months... I'm just delighted and oh so excited about it! I squeeeeealed when I saw the preview for it during Sex and the City!

Can't wait!

~F
 
I saw the trailer a few days ago. some casting choices are quite puzzling. Meg Ryan? sorry but Meg is soo tired. and Jada Pinkett is just plain unappealing. Eva Mendes LOOKS like a Crystal Allen, but can she act? And WHO today can match Rosalind Russells flawless performance? Its no wonder Shearer and Crawford felt threatened by Russell. Imagine Bette Midler as the Countess or Sylvia! a younger Sally Field as Mrs Haines. Diane English should have considered gay appeal when casting, but she obviously didnt.

Which of todays woman actors would YOU cast?
 
A more perfect explanation could not be offered, Sandy. Kudos! And gawd, I loved Roz Russell...
 
You may already be aware of this, but...

Director George Cukor was given 'The Women' after he was fired from 'Gone With The Wind'. Apparantly, Clark Gable was very uncomfortable working with Cukor, who was gay.

In a Cukor biography, it is reported that the director mentioned an incident in which a very intoxicated Gable had gone home with a gay man in the early 1930's. At any rate, Gable was furious with Cukor, who was then removed from the film. In his place came Victor Fleming, a manly-man, who Gable felt comfortable working with.

Several well-known scenes from Cukor's brief reign remained in the final cut of the film, including the famous "Don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' no babies!" scene.

Some of Cukor's other outstanding films are 'The Philadelphia Story', 'Adam's Rib', and 'My Fair Lady'.
 
Thanks!

I've been watching for this for a long time. It looks like they're staying close to the original version of it, as much as they can for current time. The Opposite Sex is very much a favorite of mine. And I was surprised how "adult" the play was when they ran it on PBS. The 1939 movie was tamed down a bit. It probably won't be as good as the original, but I'm looking forward to it in it's own right.
 
There's a simple reason for Hollywood and Broadway remakes. It's called leveraging, and it's responsible for 60+ years of truly pathetic films and plays. But the recent trend (the past 20 years or so) toward more and more remakes is just another indicator of a general collapse of originality and creativity. We see it not just in films and plays but in music, art and everywhere else. I feel bad for today's youth.
 
Have always loved "The Women" as both book,play and movie, but do understand how it wouldn't stand up to modern tastes as a faithful remake.

Most women today are shocked of the advice offered by Mary Haines mother, and several other more seasoned women, including Miriam Aarons (a gal who had been around the block a few times,and knew how to handle a man); that she overlook her husband's dalliance. Worst still many howl into the wind at the end where Mary takes back her wandering husband, gleefully running into his waiting arms.

Despite the protests, the advice given is sound and still applies today: men,sadly are VERY different, and have this remarkable quality of having relations with another woman outside of their marriage and or committed relationship and think nothing of it. Mrs. Morehead (Mary's mother), gets this, as does the cook, and even Miriam. Mary Haines, OTHO is too busy playing the wronged woman and lets the one thing her mother warns her about to happen, allowing her girlfriends (often times a woman's worst enemy) to cause her to loose her husband, house and home. It takes the youngest of the women, little Mary Haines to finally get fed up and sets into motion a plan that brings Crystal to her ruin, yet reunites the Haines family. If it weren't for Miss. Haines's giving her mother a kick in the behind (so to speak), things probably would have gone on as they were, unless Mr. Haines got so fed up with Crystal, and or got wise to her cheating on him that he puts her away.

Sadly today, in the set that represents "Park Avenue" women of today, a wife being chucked aside for a younger replacement after 20 or so years of marriage is very common (sure, no woman wants to be told she's being kept on just to run a kindergarten), so Mr. Haines behaviour wouldn't be seen as so scandalous today. However in the 1930's divorce was a HUGE deal. Husbands (and in some cases wives) who were caught doing things they shouldn't and ended up in court, paid dearly. Reputations where ruined, finances shot, children taken away and so forth.

In the book and play, Sylvia Fowler is also having an affair (with one of her husband's co-workers), but that sort of thing would never have made it past the censors of the day.

Once one gets past the laughs and delves beyond the surface, there is lots of good material about relationships in "The Women". Stephen Haines obviously loved and still loves Mary, and she him. Sadly a man like Mr. Haines (good looking as he was supposed to be), probably did the thing expected of him and met and married the first girl he fell in love with. Indeed, Mary probably was his only experience with women, which leaves him ill prepared for a she-wolf like Crystal Allen. CA sees her prey, and knows the type; a man going through a bit of mid-life crisis and instead of doing his office over, or perhaps hiring a new cook he needs something more, and she is more than willing to provide.

IMHO people are far to selfish to see the larger picture. As Mary's mother tells her, many women made the best of the situation, (including herself)and out of it good things came. The alternative is what we have today, people getting married once, twice, three times or more; leaving behind carnage and wrecked lives, especially children in their wake.
 
Launderess, your post suggests nostalgia for a bygone era. It's like you are channeling Mrs Haines mother!
 
I am just dealing with the real as they say. *LOL*

Have always been rather "old" for my age, and more European in my views. IMHO one of the great mistakes in marrying for LOVE is the thought you own another person, which is a very dangerous thing. Thinking someone is your exclusive property can lead to all sorts of bad outcomes when you discover he or she has been with someone else.

My favourite example of a marriage that worked, despite dalliances, was Vita Sackville-West and her husband. Both were bisexual, both had affairs, but yet they managed to stay together for life and what a life together they had.

L.
 
"Miriam "Vanities" Aarons is being Reno-vated. Three guesses Mrs. Fowler, whom she is going to marry".

Another great observation about the relationships of women captured in "The Women". Sylvia is so busy sticking her nose into her cousin's marriage and stirring up trouble, she totally ignores and or misses what her own husband is up to. Indeed when the Princess drops a huge hint at the fashion show/fittings, Syliva doesn't take the hint and is soooo sure of her own husband. So in the end it is rather fitting that Mary get's her own husband back by turning tables on Sylvia and Crystal, while the former ends up alone.

L.
 

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