Out with the old and in with the older.......

[whirlcool]

This ain't my hosue, so please pardon the schmutz. I would have cleaned so that you judgemental bitches wouldn't be dis'in my @$$.

Oh, Toggles. That has to be one of the funniest things I have read here in a long time. I am still laughing my ass off!

 

[panthera]

Oh, Toggles,

there you go again. If I have to experience the joys of free English only vicariously, at least I have your talented tongue to please me.

Bosch builds very good dishwashers, I am surprised at how poorly this one performed. We'll see more of the 60cm and less and less of the inch stuff over time. There are now only three countries left on the planet which still 'think' in inch.

 

[rp2813]

I recently took similar action

. . . by replacing my '90 Maytag with an '85 Thermador 3600. The Maytag worked fine, but it was really loud, had an inefficient rack design (my opinion) along with a despicable pop-up tower and it looked ugly with yellowed plastic control panel, as well as just plain cheap.

The Thermador is less noisy although by no means quiet, but unlike a new machine, it gets the job done in no time flat. We fabricated new front trim panels for it that give the stainless steel look even though they're aluminum. Pix to be posted here eventually. It fits in so much better with the rest of the SS appliances in the kitchen even though it's 25 years old. I'm very pleased, and it's turning out to be a good performer too.

I'm all in favor of out with the old and in with the older. Nice job rescuing a perfectly good KA machine.

 

[bobbyderegis]

Are those newer generation KD's any good in comparison with the Hobart KD's? My left brow is raised, as I'm skeptical.
Bobby in Boston

 

[rp2813]

Bobby, I think you're talking apples & oranges between an older KA with a Hobart design that uses plenty of water & pressure and gets the job done quick, and a new one that's 100% Whirlpool, powerlessly uses minimal water (a "sprinkler in a box" as one member has put it) and takes hours to finish its job.

 

[logixx]

Ugh, every time I see this upper rack, I have to wonder what they were thinking. Why didn't Bosch just use the Euro upper rack - it way more flexible.

I have to wonder about the statements on lacking capacity, however. The WhirlAid has tines to accommodate 11 plates - in one row. The Bosch can take 17 in one row. European Bosch dishwashers, with their back row of tines spaced nearer together, even holds 23 plates in one row. What if one has to wash a large amount of plates? How would you load them?

Regarding the racking, Bosch introduced new Americanized racks with the 800 Series dishwasher. The 800 Plus dishwashers have the true Euro rack system. Also note that the silverware basket can be placed anywhere in the lower rack. The picture above (Post# 413788)can be misleading.

The installation process for US dishwashers also seems radically different from what I have experienced. The water inlet is behind the toe-kick? There is a junction box? Soo complicated. When we bought our Siemens, everything was already attached. We just had to hook up the two water hoses and plug the appliance in - simple as that. The most "complicated" thing was to attach the custom door panel.

 

[logixx]

800 Series racks

 

[logixx]

And this is our Siemens back in Dec. of 2006. As you can see, it's almost fully encased in stainless steel panels (plus insulation underneath it, of course). The power cord and the hoses are attached to the back of the unit.

 

[logixx]

Installation instructions - mostly dealing with how to attach the door panel.

 

[logixx]

All done.

 

[logixx]

Under the sink: just plug 'n' play.

 

[petek]

I'm surprised that Bosch doesn't have a metal cabinet all around.. I thought they did like our Miele had and the Siemens above?
The 05 KA in this house had to have a new element, a new circuitboard in 06.. Now the rinse-aid dispenser doesn't work.. Guess what brand I won't be buying in the future. Nope..

 

[toggleswitch2]

~I've yet to find a dish that isn't bone dry at the end of a Bosch cycle.

The kitchen in Gary's friend's kitchen is literally the furthest point from the hot water heater. So excessively long wash and rinse phases means that the water in the lines is stone cold the NEXT time the Bosch (or any DW) there fills up.

Perhaps this is a factor

 

[toggleswitch2]

This ain't my house, so please pardon the schmutz. I would have cleaned so that you judgemental bitches wouldn't be dis'in my @$$.

~Oh, Toggles. That has to be one of the funniest things I have read here in a long time. I am still laughing my ass off!

LOL glad to be able to make you smile. Actually my house wouldn't be that dirt to BEGIN with. I do a little each day and do really NEED to do a major cleaning too often.

But you should see me with the vacuum-cleaner in one had, the mop in the other and the duster shoved right up...........
All I have to do is twirl around like a ballerina and this place gets cleaned by "Hurricane Toggle." LOL

 

[sudsmaster]

Water heater distance from Boschland

Oh, I don't know. It takes a long time for hot water to reach the kitchen sink (the piping doesn't take a direct route, go figure), but the Bosch has an internal water heater that will boost even ice cold water to 160 F if it's set to do that in the final rinse. Otherwise I think it's about 140F. Still plenty hot. Obviously the machine will take longer to complete a cycle if the water coming in is always cold, but the final result should be the same, due to the inline internal water heater.

It probably helps to insulate the hot water pipes as well.

 

[appnut]

the furthest point from the hot water heater

Hmm, that may not be good in this case. For the Bosch, it delays until set temp is reached (i.e. cold fill capability). For U.S. dishwashers that are electronic, they will only delay for a certain length of time and if the set temp point hasn't been reached, the computer will continue on its timer journey. I think for the final rinse, it will max out at about 40 minutes. Probably no more than that for the main wash too.

And as far as the silverware basket at the front of the rack, I thought more about this and I"m just as against it for another reason. The detergent dispenser door has to flip up and over for it to release its contents. I've seen mention in this series dishwasher manual to be careful of what is placed at the front of the bottom rack which might prevent the door from flipping open. I know with my TT, I've learned to be somewhat careful in what I place on the far left of the rack (my dispenser is more toward the left side)--especially a 9 x 13 pan or 9" or 10" skillet scrunched right up to the edge of the rack. That will cause the trap door to get "caught" come time for it to flip up and it won't release the detergent. I was used having a GE made dishwasher for 23 years and it was nice to open the door and plop something in the flatware basket. And with the new TT the basket is on the far right side. I LEARNED TO ADAPT AND ADJUST fairly quickly!!! Now I don't miss it. I simply will put stuff in quick llike that if the basket is toward the front right corner. If he can't adjust, go find him a porcelain tubbed KA.

 

[appnut]

Your friends getting the Bosch

Is there anything on that aging GE2800 which might be useful for yours Gary? Obvously the electronic board must still be functioning.

 

[gadgetgary]

Thanks Bob

Will check if the racks are ok.

 

[gadgetgary]

Why didn't Bosch just use the Euro upper rack - it way m

Alexander,

Would you be so kind as to post a pic of that Euro upper rack for comparison?

Thanks so much!

Gary