Saddam Hussein~ executed!!

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Ok.. I have not read any of the posts but a quick read through...

My thoughts:

We shouldn't celibrate any ones death..However he got what he desierved.. My brother has served a tour in Iraq, a close buddie from high school is STILL in Iraq... I am not sure how many of you have seen pictures straight off the battle field, but it's bad.. It's like a really gorey video game... My brother won't be going back (pheww) due to an ankle injury he recieved from an IED that blew up under his humvee.... There will never be peace in the middle east, we know that from the bible... But this is of great relief to many islamics and middle easterners.. At least now they can try to re establish some kind of life.. Althoug, they do readily poo and pee in the streets, there are open sewers every where and so on and so forth.. I have seen more than a few of these pictures from there and it's not good.. I keep the solduires over there in my thoughts and prayers alot... Thats why i go to my brothers often, is to be around the people... I am suprised at how many are accepting of me, if not a tad leery that i may try to jump there bones, but they still accept me...

With all of that said, i don't believe in the death penelty until it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they where the ones who killed another living human being.. Than i am all for equal punishment... Meaning that if you bound, gagged and tortured (rape) some one and killed them, than i am all fort hem binding you up, hanging you with a noose and beating the sh*t out of you.

I am sorry, but i took criminal justice for about a year trying to get a degree in something and i saw how fuc** up our justice system is.. They will put some one away for 10 years for selling pot and give some one parole after 12 years for MURDER??????? WTF... UH NO WRONG

Now if there is some doubt that this happend than by any means i think you should be jailed until there can be doubt proven and i really think that people who kill others by drunk driving, being doped up on meds or who are physcotic or who are a few quarts low on transsmisson oil shouldn't be killed... They need some help... Even if they are lifers i am all for keeping them alive in a controlled enviroment and helping them with there needs...

OK... My opioion smells like an As*hole.. SO if you don't liek it fine, but please only agree or disagree... Don't belittle or become childish with it... Otherwise you will find a scathing email in you're inbox.. Thats not why we are here...
 
The only people this war is helping is the defense contracto

Ok...someone else started ramming this in another thread back a couple of months ago, and it really struck a close nerve with me. I had to simply walk away and ignore them.

No hard feelings.

RE: Contractors

And so if this war just so happens to help all Americans in the long run, do you believe my company is going to get a big old Thank You card from the American people????

I don't think so.

Yes we make alot of money of Government Contracting, but we make a hell of a lot more for the work we are doing in
E&C. (Energy & Chemicals for you non-lay persons ;-)

I don't work in the G & I office (Government & Infrastructure) but I know tons of folks who do.

The folks who go over there do make alot of money. I thought of going for the sheer dollar amount that would of been offered to me. But at what cost? My life? No thank you. The rules of living over there in one of the Camps while contracting are not very pretty either. You basically have to stay within the confines of your assigned camp 24/7 until your rotation every 4 months. (Unless you are a truck driver or something)

Ok...I've gone off on a rant that I did not want to go off into. I knew I shouldn't of signed back in and read this thread. LOL

I respect everyone's opinion, whether I agree or not.

Now...I am going to get out of here and start celebrating the end of one long fantabulous year. Yeeee Haaaw!

Happy New Year everyone!
 
who knows... I disagree with who ever said about the contractors, they don't do 1/3rd of what our troops do... JUST ASK ONE

If you have any doubts about IRAQ go find some one who's been there, theyll set ya straight
 
an i'm NOT picking on anyone, just pontificating in gene

Let us not forget that G-d is many different things to many different people.

Could be an alien civilization that keeps comimg down to rescue us from ouselves, to a benevolent mother nature, to a powerful father, to a bible-thumping rigid simplistic southern gentleman with little exposure to the real world, to a jaded arrogant New Yorker, to XXXXXXX (fill in the blanks).

Remember this little Toggle gem: We all create G-d in our own image, and impose our way of thinking on what information we gather through our thoughts and (physical)senses to make sense of the larger reality. NO ONE person's thinking is perfect. PERIOD. As human beings we, by definition, have limited abilites to think and process in that we can not see past this artificial thing called "time" and the very real to us "ego".

Let us not be rigid in our thinking, which to me is the most dangerous thing on the planet. This would make us as bad as the groups that hate us westerners and/or Americans.

Live and let live. Or is you are from NYC: live and let die. (*LOL*) Yay James Bond 007.
 
Everything we do on this earth we pay for RIGHT HERE.

Saddam paid for his sins (real and imagined) with his life. GAME OVER.

I prefer not to give the situation any further thought, which gives it energy which gives it the power to maifest some type of physical result here on the earth.

The body has had its fuctions terminated. The soul perhaps lives on and will be judged by those higher beings/spirits better able to see the whole picture through time.
 
Pretty well said, Toggle!

Isn't religion, and one mans/country attempt to try to make another man/country see it their way, what starts most wars?

Seems like that's what often (not always) happens here in the guise of opinions :-)

Just my two cents...if it's worth that :-)

Rich
 
Bush snatches defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.

I used to be pro-death penalty. As I grew older and, I hope, wiser, I realized that there was probably nothing worse than being imprisoned with no hope of release. I realize that this is expensive (although I have several learned friends who tell me that execution in this country can be more expensive than a maintaining a prisoner for life). As for Hussein, no death could be cruel and sadistic enough for such a piece of human garbage. It seems to me that with a few cheap gestures, the man went to his death with some dignity, proving that he was defiant and contemptuous to the end.

It would have been far smarter and better to throw the hirsuit little shit into a dark solitary cell and leave him there to shrivel and wither away as does Charles Manson in California. Then what few loyal followers of family and friends would see, over time, that this was no greater leader, but a common criminal who had connections and was at the right place at the right time, just like the current president of the United States of America.
 
What class and grace Jetcone and Agi show to each other! Wha

see them so careful not to offend and to make instant amends. such class

And look at Frigi trying to lighten the burden with humor maybe truth, and then look at Toggle saying our opinions smell like anuses? What about his? Does his smell too? and using his negative energy to send this thread to destruction?

But it didn't happen. It stayed rather civil with people trying hard not to trash the disussion. So your negative power didn't hold the day!

Toggle, I wish at least once you'd give credit to the sources from which you so shamelessly plagarize, re :the definition of God and your little Toggle-gem. Talk about ego supression, You have the biggest and most defective ego on the set; you may actually have megalomania. You think that everything--INCLUDING THIS CLUB-- is all about you. IT'S NOT. It's for all of us. And your constant "selectivity" and exclusivity and that "We are better than you" "I'm okay, but you're not "mentalty is disgraceful.

On December 26, when it was still Christmas for many, you posted that giant picture Get out Scum. Have you no mercy or decency or charity even at Christmas. I became ill that night and still am pretty sick. Are you you happy? and happier still to be the terrorist at Aworg setting horrible example for at least three people who are getting worse.

Does anyone else feel that The Beautiful Man who gave us this gift has been so silent, of late, and sorely missed by most of us because he may be disillusioned by so much discord and incivility.

I've been here one year tomorrow and hpoed to say forever, but it sure is getting stressful to tune in when it used to be pure joy. Please, will all loving people silently send the healing power of their good thoughts so I get better. Rarely ill, I'm a little scared right now. Thank You.
 
Whew! Does this mean that we are safer, yet still not safest?

OSAMA BIN LADEN???

Sigh. Das Blog. Loser me.

These are my principles, and I hope you like them.
But don't worry if you don't. I have others.
 
Methinks my sense of humour is misunderstood.

My own opinions smell worse than anyone's. Of that I am sure.

Mickey I have no idea what you are talking about in most of your thread.

If you want to clear the air, feel free to send me an e-mail.

This is your third direct attack on me, so I get that we are not drinking buddies.

I wish you well. I send you blessings.
 
hail Chrissie....

Take, take, take, takin' what you don't need
You'll get, get, gettin' what you don't need
Stand back, take a look and take heed
All the children in god's kingdom bleed
See the networks of concrete and steel
They've no mystery but what they reveal
Tells a story of a future that's void
Of the beauty and the majesty that life on
Earth is meant to be

Talk, talk, talk, talk about the government
And not a word about political favour
Everything touched is my political choice
The life you take is your political voice
The sacred cows come crashing to their knees
Golden harvest reaped without intelligence
There's no chance between the heavens and the seas
In a blood bath don't laugh
Grab your piece of golden calf

Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not

Do unto others as you wish be done to you
There's a million lies 'round everything true
You slaughter when you feast
You disrespect the beast
Make our beds and lie there, take your share

Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Waste not want not pick it up
Pick it up and eat it
Waste not want not
 
And your constant "selectivity" and exclusivity and that "We are better than you" "I'm okay, but you're not" mentalty is disgraceful.

Perhaps this is a sign of a person who is insecure and hurting, deep down.

Your kind words are very comforting. Thank you.
 
Jesus Christ!

If one cant debate and discuss without getting ones panties in a bunch, then dont post! If you cant present a point or an arguement in a concise and polite manner, then dont post. Who agrees?
 
It will be interesting to see what sort of effect the death of Saddam will have on Iraq; will it bring an end to this brutality, or simply a martyr? And about Bin Laden: you have to wonder about "connections" Bush has with the Bin Laden family, which probably have something to do with the fact that he hasn't surfaced yet (and won't ever for the rest of his term, I'm willing to bet).

I agree 100% with David. Not speaking for anyone, but Mike, I do think you misunderstood Toggle and his mannerisms and that they came across the wrong way. When you meet him next Spring in Tucson, it will be different...;-)

--Austin
 
Thanks, I was trying to say let's not let let this controversial thread tear us apart over politics, as we saw in a thread just recently.

Sorry it came across so poorly. I was not responding to the post and posters above mine.
 
This is humour, in case you cant tell.

Matter and anti-matter in the same room? That should give off some energy! *LOL* any Trekkies out there care to tell us what happens when those two are placed together?

KA-BOOM!

Well I for one would like to see my accuser, look into his eyes, be in his aura, get his vibe and vice-versa. THEN if daggers are to fly so be it. Before that time methinks it is not all that good to base one's thoughts entirely on gossip, or another's ability to express in writing via this medium.

and in case you were wondering it's not megalo-mania where megalo means "large" it's GIGANTO-MANIA (where "giganto-" means giant.)

Keep smiling! I just KNOW that the soul of Saddam is watching over me, in that I have not judged him in this thread. *LOL*
He who is free of sin may cast the first stone....or somethimg to that effect.
 
Say what yo mean rich if you have a problem with it

Hi Agiflow,

I don't have a problem with anyone in particular it's just that I see a few passionate people, in this club, who seem to be so intent on "teaching" us all what is "right or wrong" and calling it an opinion and are very unwilling to see anyone elses opinion.. I don't feel that I'm stupid but I know that I will never stop learning and this is why I listen, read and use logic. I have to wonder if these "debates" would become so heated if we were all face to face and not sitting behind a machine. I wasn't attacking you, Pat, or anyone else. That's not my nature. I am a very peaceful person and am trying like hell to find some peace in what is turning out to be the most sad and tragic holiday of my 44 years (nothing to do with world events). I try to lose myself in the fun of this list but I'm just finding it so hard to when I see all of this dissention as of late. Perhaps I'm just being too sensitive :-)

I hate to see bickering. It started in a recent tread and now it's happening in this one. It tends to lead to very hurt feelings and then we have the "Well! If he's/she's going to be at the wash-in then I'm not going" behavior. This would be most sad. Don't say that it can't happen. It can, it does and I've seen it happen in other groups that I've been involved in. I love people and would love to meet many of you so this is why I keep my most important thought/opinions to myself or I direct them, in person or by phone, to a few chosen confidants who know me well enough to know just what I mean. I love this site because of the great opportunity for me to meet people who have the same hobby interests and to make some new friends both of which I feel blessed to have done. Sadly a couple of these friends have chosen to quietly leave this club because of the bickering and hostilities that have been shown to various people. THIS IS SAD!

I hope that I haven't offended anyone and, if I have, please accept my most sincere apologies.

Rich
 
You know guys, I really don't understand what the big deal about all this really is. Personally, I don't give a good damn what anyone thinks, and I never have. But it certainly does not mean that because someone thinks differently then I do that I can't call that person a friend or be open to his/her point of view. Or in any way, shape or form treat that person poorly, talk about him/her behind their back or even not show up at a wash-in because those folks with opinions different then mine might be there. That's just ridiculous. Sometimes folks express opinions in ignorance, or what I call "uninformed opinions". There's nothing wrong with educating them....after all, that's what we're all here for.

I haven't seen a single example of anyone attacking anyone in this thread. There is no reason to be so sensitive that we can't be friends and express opinions that may be different from our fellow posters? We're all adults here, and damned fine people, too, I might add. There is nothing that anyone on this board, or any other, can say that is going to materially alter your life! It's just an opinion. And let's face it, not everyone has a way with words, either. It does not make them bad or undeserving. Some express opinions through humor, but not everyone "gets it". That's okay too. I personally find those particular folks to be very amusing myself, but that's just my opinion. They are not intent on purposely offending anyone.

The poster who started this thread, SudsDudeShane, and I have been best friends for over 12 years. If you think that he and I agree on everything, you are so wrong. We are very different people. Yet we are also very good friends...because we don't attack each other and call each other names like schoolyard children. We just disagree on things from time to time, and move on. If one feels that they just have to be right, then so be it. It certainly does not make them a bad person, just somewhat of a pain in the ass at the family picnic! Again, nothing that they are going to say here is going to materially affect your life!!

We are all pretty intelligent folks who have lots of different life experiences to bring to the table that others can learn from. If you don't understand the context of a posting, just ask before you go ballistic. Sometimes folks respond negatively before they've even read a post completely.

This is a new year. Let's let respect and courtesy be the buzzwords around here for the new year. I think we all deserve that. And that is just my opinion!!!

Thanks all...and a very safe, happy and healthy new year to everyone.
 
For whatever controversies it may occasionally house, I have come to love the SUPER forum. Do you remember---in the not too distant past, I might add---when the it had half the traffic it does now? Now it's become the most active forum (at least from my observation) at this site.

SUPER has also broadened its audience among our members. Some members who rarely ventured into this territory are now regulars.

Here's to a 2007 of spirited conversations on detergents, music, coffee makers and, occasionally, deposed dictators!
 
Actually, I think I do! In the Ford thread, I didn't attack anyone, go for first blood, or have a hissy fit over a natural occurrence that absolutely could not be changed.

There's a small core of posters that are determined to force everyone to subscribe to their flavor of jingoistic righteousness. A smaller subset of these folks are popular, welcoming people whom other members have come to a lot of affection for. I believe few of these other posters dislike the progressive guard, and want for all concerned to live together in peace and harmony, like the Magic Garden (remember that show?)

These in-betweeners get inadvertantly sucked into a peacemaker role. My parents were divorced, and I wouldn't want to play "Swiss Miss" into my dotage either.

So people walk on eggshells and no one's legitimate frustrations are ever alleviated.

It's weird, but I guess we all muddle through (or, as I said, are forced off the board)....
 
Thank you Scotty!!

Your KIND words, advice and rebuttal were well thought out and articulated. More so than mine probably were. I am going through a very bad time in my life, at the moment, so perhaps I am just way too sensitive and need to take a break from this list. I will not leave for good but I think that perhaps a short "vacation" is in order.

Again, thank you, Scotty, for not jumping down my throat and as far as I'm concerned...we're cool!!! :-) Please don't leave AWORG! You would be missed!

Gary....Agreed :-)

Rich
 
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