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How can SQ be good at cleaning/stains with 24 mins wash?

My AEG spends no less than 85 mins on the wash before moving on to 60 mins completing 4 rinses and final spin. Now that cleans the hell out of ANYTHING!

Not impressed with this machine after reading the manual...
 
Well, my Miele spends 48 minutes in the cotton main wash and even 30 minutes in the delicate main wash, and it cleans the hell out of anything, so I guess that debunks that you need an 85 minute wash to get anything clean...

The SQ probably does just fine with 24 minutes.

Yeah the price is a bit high, and for whatever reason, Alliance is not teaming up with any big retailer, so limited availability will have to be dealt with. But really, once you purchase your machine, is limited availability really an issue?
 
Remember, one of Speed Queens selling points is that all the gearing in the transmission is metal, no plastic gears are used there. So I imagine that is not cheap to manufacture and probably contributes to the higher price of the machine.
 
The price of new machines....

$1200 - $1500 for a new SQ front loader? That seems right in there with other middle to upper-line models from LG, Bosch, Siemans (giggle) or even Whirlpool and Kitchenaid!!
 
Peter 770...touche!

suppose youre right. Most of the time the AEG is heating up to about 40 degrees, plateau-ing there for a while and then heating up to temp. I imagine your miele does the same....
Would be nice for someone to find the optimum time to clean everything perfectly and maybe save us all some time.

Still think the SQ times are a joke (ducks and runs flippin' fast)
 
It's weird....Speed Queen apparently never did catch on around here. I've never known anyone who owned one in this area...
 
If you get the TOL SQ front loader model, the one with the heater, then the wash times could be a lot longer than 24 minutes. That's because the machine will pause when the heater is on, and according to the manual, that could add anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes. So that 24 minute wash could become 84 minutes, just by selecting "boosted hot". Of course, you'll get 140F water, but that should be just fine for all but non-colorfast cottons, washable woolens, or very delicate items. And if you're getting delicates so dirty they need longer than 24 minutes... try wearing an apron next time.
 
Very Long Wash Times, Such Stuff and Nonesense

American laundry detergetns both HE and otherwise are desigened with that market's laundry habits in mind. That is to say are quite "aggressive" detergents designed to work quickly and effectively within short wash times. This no doubt developed from top loading washing machines which usually had maximum 18 minutes or so wash times, but could always be extended by resetting the timer.

Amercian washing machines by and large do not spend time heating wash water like European machines, that alone takes anywhere from 10 minutes or more (depending upon such variables such as incoming water temp/chosen wash temp, and heating power of the machine). The preferred method of whitening within the United States is chlorine bleach, which works quite quickly and indeed will harm textiles with long exposure times.

Now, SQ's former max wash time for cottons of 9 minutes probably was good enough for most loads, but because the machine lacked a method for extending wash times, besides aborting the cycle and starting over, many consumers simply assumed their laundry would not come clean.

American laundry detergents, again keeping with short wash cycle designs of most machines, will loose effectiveness with very long wash cycles. That is to say the ability to hold soils and muck in suspension and keep them away from laundry is not indefinite. After about 15 minutes or so the formula will weaken and that can lead to soils being redeposited right back onto laundry.

Good laundry practice is a combination of time, temperature, mechanical action and chemicals. An increase in any variable leads to a decrease in the others. That is to say powerful chemicals will require less time, temp and even mechanical action than weaker. The only chemicals in todays modern detergents that benefit from long contact times are enzymes and oxygen bleach. Again American wash habits prefer chlorine bleach for stain removal, even with detergents that contain enzymes (which LCB deactivates).

One bug-bear for Americans towards front loaders is the LONG cycle times of some machines. Again unlike Madame La France, Mrs. Average American Housewife is not used to doing small amounts of laundry each day. Rather the stuff builds up and is done once weekly (if that). If a families entire wash was mainly white/colourfast cottons that could all be laundered in hot water with bleach, then a machine that took over an hour *might* not prove such a bother, but that rarely is the case. With several loads of laundry to do most Americans do not wish to prolong the chore any longer than necessary. One reason I've kept the Hoover TT around despite the extra work and dreadful noise, is there are simply times one does not wish to wait ages for the Miele to do a load of laundry. If the Hoover weren't around, probably would look for a small vintage portable/compact top loader for the same purpose.

It is a pity Alliance didn't make some design adjustment for short or long cycles. Eariler "Homestyle" washers had timer controls, do not understand why SQ felt the need to abandon that design for such and inflexible replacement.
 
Eariler "Homestyle" washers had timer controls

My older versoion Huebsch FL (sistor of SQ) has such more flexible timer-control.
Heavy -> 15 min wash
Normal -> 9 min wash
Light -> 7 min wash

I prefer this timer-control than the newer control.

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LTZ85 with heater

I have owned for nearly one year and our family are happy with this FL when compared with my Maytag DC TL.

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Stuff and Nonesense, Laundress?

I'm not so sure....

Your message made sense, somewhat, but I have had experience of a Frdigedaire combo when I lived in Mexico and found stain removal deplorable. The TL'ers on sale in the UK have a "G" rating for wash performance which is the lowest, sadly.
The fact that you can leave a FL'er to do it's job without having to re-programme for heavy soiled stuff is a big plus, regardless of lengthy wash times!!!
As much as I am not a lover of TL'ers for heavy loads, I would love one for the every day things like bedding, towels and lightly soiled stuff. they make light of this type of washing and would save lots of time....so long as you have a couple of dryers to keep up with the volume of drying too!!!

Think this is the first time we have exchanged messages, nice to meet you!

Peter
 
So then, is a 15-min+ wash (estimated at the highest soil level) followed by a 2-hr soak (with the same water/detergent), followed by a few more mins of agiation much too long in my F&P toploader? The soak time can't be reprogrammed directly but can be manually advanced when the desired time has passed (or automatically shortened by half with the Time Saver option, but that shortens all phases of the cycle).
 
DADoES, the scenario you describe might not be too long if used in conjunction with a European detergent (like Persil) intended for longer wash times, versus using a North American detergent with a shorter window of effectiveness (like Tide HE). I'm just guessing, though, but maybe Laundress can offer her wisdom.
 
"That is to say the ability to hold soils and muck in suspension and keep them away from laundry is not indefinite. After about 15 minutes or so the formula will weaken and that can lead to soils being redeposited right back onto laundry. "

Pray tell, which components, exactly, are incapable of holding soil in suspension for more than 15 minutes.

And where are you getting this information?
 

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